SIGIL v1.21 - New Romero megawad [released!]

[Hypnotik]

2 minutes ago, -TDRR- said:

WILL IT HAVE ODAMEX COMPATIBILITY?!

God willing.

[Master O]

34 minutes ago, Hypпotiк said:

Sweet, excited. *cough* Daikatana 2 *cough*  

 

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I'm kidding. But, can't what to see what's been cooking.

 

 

The snag in production has made Romero its bitch.

[Dark Pulse]

47 minutes ago, TheGamePhilosophe said:

We're having this discussion on a site dedicated to a game that came out in 1993. The people looking forward to this WAD are doing so precisely because they have never "moved on." Which is cool.

 

But if it's important to you to be in on the ground floor, so to speak, I don't see why you couldn't just get the free WAD. You yourself have already said the other stuff doesn't really alter the WAD itself. In my mind, all the goodies are essentially collector's items. Meaning they're just as good now as two months from now or two years from now.

Because in a way that'd mean that those of us who paid money became second-class citizens for our stuff, compared to the people who paid nothing who still got the WAD for free and "on time."

 

Hence, like I said, while obviously that's what I'd do if it happened, it'd essentially devalue the actual physical package itself down to just a set of feelies, and that would irk me, since I'll have already played the WAD and so on.

 

Personally, if he's going to delay it, I'd hope he polishes it up extra-nice.

[andrewdowell]

Meh, the people that paid money are getting extra stuff. I know it's his decision to release it when he wants, but I'd like it if he'd just release the standard wad now.

 

It's not like games don't get different versions down the road with extra content.

[Cacodemon345]

I am perfectly fine with SIGIL's release being pushed back to April. Like, I don't really want SIGIL to get rushed out in an unfinished state.

[ReaperAA]

7 hours ago, Nine Inch Heels said:

He's well aware that the better mappers in this community outperform him by a significant margin, so the answer to your question is "no".

 

Pretty sure SiFi270 was just joking.

 

2 hours ago, Jimmy said:

Disappointed in the delay to say the least. I have been made a bitch out of. You hear me Romero?! A bitch, truly!

 

Romero is about to make us his b**ch again.

Spoiler

Just Kidding

 

[Vermil]

Has Mr Romero actually confirmed it is the boxes or the maps that held up release?

[Kira]

20 minutes ago, Vermil said:

Has Mr Romero actually confirmed it is the boxes or the maps that held up release?

If it was the maps it would turn the current battle debate upside down indeed.

 

But the update leaves little doubt it's about the boxes:

 

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There were a few snags in production trying to make sure everything is top-notch for fans!  I just wanted to let everyone who purchased either the Big Box or the Beast Box know that it is now looking like it will ship sometime in April. [...] This also means the free version of SIGIL will have to wait until after the boxes are in the hands of customers.

Removed the courtesy bit and highlighted a part that's meaningful to your question here.

[Manuel-K]

Delaying the wad is IMO one of two possible fair strategies. The other one would be give all buyers access to a download version of the soundtrack like @wheresthebeef mentioned. So I'm okay with this although I would prefer the other option.

 

What I don't get is why people keep suggesting that the music can be downloaded somewhere on the shady areas of the net and why some people like @Nine Inch Heels and @Rimantas keep telling everybody that they are not interested in this. How can you not be interested in this if you care enough to reiterate it for several months?

 

Obviously it's fair game to say you like something else better or to give constructive criticism, but it's simply rude to say something is bad from a simple trailer that does not show enough details to give a fair assessment.

 

[Nine Inch Heels]

5 hours ago, Manuel-K said:

What I don't get is why people keep suggesting that the music can be downloaded somewhere on the shady areas of the net and why some people like @Nine Inch Heels and @Rimantas keep telling everybody that they are not interested in this.

I'm not hyped (based on what I've seen), but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna have a look. Let's get that right before we throw the mighty "people like X" around in hopes of making a point that's bound to miss the mark to begin with. Also, I never said that sigil is gonna be bad overall, what I did say is that - based on what I've seen - it's probably not for me.

 

Y'know what teaser footage and streams are there for? It's there so people have something to discuss and (assuming they like what they see) look forward to. And yes, discussing also means that "people like me" may show up and say that the material in question *might* not match their tastes.

 

Anyway, next time you try and build a strawman, go find someone who can't even remotely remember what they've been saying a few weeks ago. Speaking of things I said... I distinctly remember saying that if sigil ends up being something I enjoy, then I might consider throwing money at it in some way shape or form. Just to be perfectly clear: Next time you see fit to accuse me of anything, make sure you get your "facts" right, and tell the whole story instead of cherry picking.

Besides, I've not seen any suggestions wrt downloading the music somewhere else illegally in this thread. If that was ever suggested here, then either I missed it, or it's been removed already (which is a good thing).

 

5 hours ago, Manuel-K said:

Obviously it's fair game to say you like something else better or to give constructive criticism, but it's simply rude to say something is bad from a simple trailer that does not show enough details to give a fair assessment.

And I never passed a final verdict on the entire product in the first place, so what exactly is the problem you're looking to discuss with me? It sure must be something important, because why else would you have mentioned me? I mean aside of making me repeat myself for the umpteenth time, I guess.

 

Hey hold on, apparently it's perfectly fine to say what you think about something, but evidently that's only for people who are hyped and entirely devoid of any and all sorts of reservations regarding Romero's maps. Man I'm so glad we're not having any double standards here, since it would be a real shame if mentioning people because of something they said and explained several weeks ago - "discussions" that were dead and done in the water already - ended up causing yet another derail for this thread.

 

And just to make sure there's something here that's actually on topic:
 

5 hours ago, Manuel-K said:

The other one would be give all buyers access to a download version of the soundtrack like @wheresthebeef mentioned. So I'm okay with this although I would prefer the other option.

As soon as you put a link on the internet, you can start counting the seconds until some asshat starts uploading the data to a file hosting service so people can pirate it. It's happened before, it'll happen again, without fail. If you have any interest in making sure that independent artists like Buckethead get at least some of the money they deserve, putting the stuff on the internet is the last thing you will want to do.

[funduke]

I did not want to have to wait for owning a "Romero's head on a stick" to place it on my table.

So i tried what i can do with my lego stuff.

I'm still undecided, which one i should choose.

I tend to like the right one the most: Long hair, glasses and a smiling face. Romero looks never sad on angry on the photos of him.

But that one has no beard. And Romero is never really clean shaved.

Perhaps i keep all three of them on my desk until april.

 

Greetings

Funduke

Edited February 17, 2019 by funduke

[Dark Pulse]

Has to be the middle for me. He knows how this will end, even if the other two don't.

[Nevander]

Middle one for sure. Are you taking orders? I'd like one Funduke Romero's Head Replica Beast Edition before April please.

Edited February 17, 2019 by Nevander

[dew]

 

[Empyre]

4 hours ago, funduke said:

I did not want to have to wait for owning a "Romero's head on a stick" to place it on my table.

So i tried what i can do with my lego stuff.

I'm still undecided, which one i should choose.

I tend to like the right one the most: Long hair, glasses and a smiling face. Romero looks never sad on angry on the photos of him.

But that one has no beard. And Romero is never really clean shaved.

Perhaps i keep all three of them on my desk until april.

 

Greetings

Funduke

Before I read the text, I thought that was John Romero in the middle, John Carmack on the right, and somebody else on the Doom team on the left.  I was wondering why you had those other people's heads on sticks.

[Gunstar Green]

I understand why some people would maybe be annoyed if the free wad was released before the thing you paid for, but as someone who paid for it I wouldn't mind. It's no different to me than getting digital early access to a physical pre-order.

 

On the other hand a free project getting delayed is nothing to get annoyed about.

[funduke]

2 hours ago, Empyre said:

Before I read the text, I thought that was John Romero in the middle, John Carmack on the right, and somebody else on the Doom team on the left.  I was wondering why you had those other people's heads on sticks.

Good idea to put the other id software guys heads on sticks.

First row: John Carmack (blonde, glasses, serious face), Adrian Carmack (long hair, face not shaved), John Romero (long hair, glasses, happy face).  In the second row, on the long stick that could be Tom Hall). And none of them wears pants.

I made also some SIGIL floppy labels.

 

Greetings

Funduke

Edited February 18, 2019 by funduke

[BlackxZodiac13]

17 hours ago, Gunstar Green said:

I understand why some people would maybe be annoyed if the free wad was released before the thing you paid for, but as someone who paid for it I wouldn't mind. It's no different to me than getting digital early access to a physical pre-order.

 

On the other hand a free project getting delayed is nothing to get annoyed about.

 

This is exactly what I was thinking as well. I also Pre-ordered a box set and regardless of delay im still super hyped for SIGIL and adding it into my digital and phsysical collection.

[JCST]

On 2/17/2019 at 3:29 PM, Nine Inch Heels said:

As soon as you put a link on the internet, you can start counting the seconds until some asshat starts uploading the data to a file hosting service so people can pirate it. It's happened before, it'll happen again, without fail. If you have any interest in making sure that independent artists like Buckethead get at least some of the money they deserve, putting the stuff on the internet is the last thing you will want to do.

 

People will extract the music from the wad anyway... So it's for their best interest if they actually opened another source of revenue and sold the tracks digitally.

You woud be surprised but it's not the cost of something that factors more on a piracy rate of a product, but it's lack of accessibility.

I would know, the copy of Doom i have nowadays is provided legally from such services.

Edited February 18, 2019 by JCST

[Knee Deep In The Fan]

On 2/13/2019 at 8:57 PM, Quasar said:

Bad news. I am not too impressed so far with this handling. A two-month delay is hardly minor after forking over almost $200, especially after the deafening silence so far on a hard shipping date (I was beginning to wonder what was going on a couple weeks ago...) Of course none of this is to blame on Romero, I'm just wondering now if he picked the best company to work with on this project.

 

Limited Run has a pretty solid track record, shit just happens sometimes.

[Fragathons]

Did anybody manage to download a copy of Romero's Sigil streams from Twitch? Did enjoy watching them but they seem to be gone from his channel. Thanks in advance, can't wait for SIGIL!

[wheresthebeef]

2 hours ago, Fragathons said:

Did anybody manage to download a copy of Romero's Sigil streams from Twitch? Did enjoy watching them but they seem to be gone from his channel. Thanks in advance, can't wait for SIGIL!

I actually did. Twitch will automatically delete videos after a couple months so I downloaded them for just such an occasion.

Dated December 10, 12, 13, 19, and two on 24th (the first part was interrupted by a phone call he had to take)

19.2 gigs total

 

If someone has an idea for what the best way to archive these videos would be, lemme know.

Edited February 26, 2019 by wheresthebeef

[CyberDreams]

Dammit. I knew i forgot to do something. I was planning on downloading them as well so i could watch them later since i also missed the live streams. There's been so much going on lately in my life that i get sidetracked pretty easily.

 

Um, i'm not really sure what the best way to archive them would be though. Maybe someone has a few idea's for a decent file host or something?

Edited February 26, 2019 by CyberDreams
missed a word

[DoomGater]

I am afraid that sigil was never intended to be published to celebrate doom's 25th birthday, but only to bring in some more money for John.

It was clever to announce it around the birthday date, but it clearly does not have anything to do with it. Clever businessman, this Mr. Romero...
As long as the people keep talking, it's getting more and more famous. That's viral marketing at it's best! I bet sigil will not come out before doom's
next birthday !

[Quasar]

Riiiiight... it's a regular conspiracy.

[⇛Marnetmar⇛]

I too exchange items for money

[VanaheimRanger]

10 hours ago, wheresthebeef said:

If someone has an idea for what the best way to archive these videos would be, lemme know.

Is there a problem with uploading them to YouTube?  They aren't copyrighted.  Just put in the description that they are from his twitch channel.

 

If that's too scary for you try Dailymotion or Vimeo.

Edited February 26, 2019 by guitardz

[VGA]

22 minutes ago, Marn said:

I too exchange items for money

Oh, you sly bastard, you!

[Nevander]

1 hour ago, guitardz said:

Is there a problem with uploading them to YouTube?  They aren't copyrighted.  Just put in the description that they are from his twitch channel.

I don't know. YouTube would surely find a way or some reason to block them and issue a strike.

[ketmar]

mark them with invul. sphere.