The Origin of SP_DUDE and the Hanging Victim Sprites

[Gez]

4 hours ago, Doomkid said:

hanging twitching victim

You're right, I misremembered.

[beeswithchainsaws]

The images are not of WWII casualties or Mussolini, I contacted Adrian Carmack about it and here's what he said:

"Those were created by Kevin Cloud. From what I remember it’s a GI Joe that he scanned in with our camera and kept them large to keep the detail. Artistic License. :)"

 

Also, those sprites first appear later in the game, which could mean they purposefully made them look out of place to freak people out.

Edited June 1, 2022 by TheNerdCrusader

[NoWits]

13 hours ago, TheNerdCrusader said:

Also, those sprites first appear later in the game, which could mean they purposefully made them look out of place to freak people out.

 

This is my favourite hypothesis. And from how frequently this topic is brought up and discussed, I'd say it worked!

[Azuris]

Spoiler

 

 

Hmm it truly has some similiarities.

 

The right one is matching more the Arms (mirrowed), the left one more the Legs.

 

If you searh for it, there are some Pictures with dfferent Perspective and Contrast.

 

I go for the Theory with the real Picture overdrawn.

 

Btw.

I have no Clue why a 77 Year old Picture from 1945 is hidden behind a Paywall as Getty

and i hate it when Searh Engines show nearly only such Hyperlinks.

[Faceman2000]

The right one definitely isn't from the Mussolini hangings - look at the jacket. It's hanging upwards. Clearly this was a photo taken of something right-side up, that they only later flipped. The heads between the two are identical, which is interesting. The twitching victim - the one we know for sure is a GI Joe doll - is also the one that most resembles one in my opinion. Adrian's words mostly put the subject to rest, unless we ever hear differently from Kevin Cloud, but the dude on the right so strongly resembles the hanging pictures that I still have a hard time completely discounting that theory.

[gwain]

I don't think they were made from Mussolini parts but I might shrink down some of those graphics for a doom wad

 

too me the lighting on the stomach gives it away that its plastic you really wouldn't see that type of light on real flesh

and that leg gore looks super drawn on 

also in a few interviews they've said they were gi joes and even in multigen.txt which was used in doom utilities refers to them as gi joes

 

but to be fair those pants do look like a dictator's pants

Edited June 6, 2022 by gwain

[Doomkid]

On 6/2/2022 at 8:33 AM, TheNerdCrusader said:

"Those were created by Kevin Cloud. From what I remember it’s a GI Joe that he scanned in with our camera and kept them large to keep the detail. Artistic License. :)"

I already knew these were GI Joes beyond any doubt, but it's nice to get double-confirmation from Adrian about it!

[Azuris]

Than it is just a true Coincidence that hanging People can look really similiar :)

 

OR!

They modelled the GI Joe Figures after Mussolini to corrupt Kids and make them love Facism.

 

And ID is in reallity a secret anti Facist Society, first killing Nazis in Wolfenstein and later showing the GI Mussolini hanging in Hell within Doom.

 

(Just kidding, but the Threat has its Solution and a bit over the Top Humor can't be bad :P)

[Frost-Core]

I have one theory :

It is from the G.I.Joes because id can not just color the mussolini image that easily, and also the shading on the sprite does look a little plastic-ish imo

[The Doommer]

On 6/2/2022 at 3:03 AM, TheNerdCrusader said:

The images are not of WWII casualties or Mussolini, I contacted Adrian Carmack about it and here's what he said:

"Those were created by Kevin Cloud. From what I remember it’s a GI Joe that he scanned in with our camera and kept them large to keep the detail. Artistic License. :)"

Do you have a screenshot of this? Just so that it could be used as a legit citation later

[gwain]

On 6/8/2022 at 2:56 AM, Frost-Core said:

It is from the G.I.Joes because id can not just color the mussolini image that easily

 

Though I do agree that they are G.I.-Joes id software coloring in black in white sprites is not unheard of since alot of the original models were grey

 

 

Spoiler

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by gwain

[The Doommer]

Classic Doom has come a long way since the OG models

 

They seem less detailed than the final ones, not just recolors

[sophsoph316]

On 2/15/2019 at 6:36 AM, ukiro said:

There's this: http://imx-doomer.tumblr.com/post/59915112532/random-kind-of-useless-trivia-about-doom

If it was based on those bodies, then it wasn't this exact photo.

that definitely does lend more credence to the Mussolini theory, but idk if they're identical enough to be direct scans. id say the sprites were at least somewhat based on those pictures.

[Biodegradable]

At this point, someone would have to ask Kevin Cloud if he used the hanging Mussolini corpse picture as a reference or it was simply a coincidence this entire time. It still wouldn't surprise me if he did since Cloud and Adrian sourced/were inspired by countless image references from anywhere they could find.

[Faceman2000]

7 hours ago, Biodegradable said:

At this point, someone would have to ask Kevin Cloud if he used the hanging Mussolini corpse picture as a reference or it was simply a coincidence this entire time.

Alright, anyone know his address? Gonna settle this once and for all.

[beeswithchainsaws]

On 7/3/2022 at 1:47 PM, The Doommer said:

Do you have a screenshot of this? Just so that it could be used as a legit citation later