The DWIronman League dies to: Base Ganymede

[seed]

26 minutes ago, dt_ said:

Twitch erases my runs after 2 weeks, is there a way to stop that happening?

 

If you're an Affiliate or Partner the period your past broadcasts remain available increases to up to 30 days or so, haven't checked recently.

 

But otherwise no, they always expire, unless you record your streams and upload them manually.

Edited May 1, 2019 by seed

[NaZa]

I believe a stream can also be highlighted, but I'm not all too familiar with Twitch.

 

Also, no problem Alfonzo, I had to make up for not updating my leaderboards in two months! Here's to hoping I'll finally do a motivating performance... it May or May not happen.

[seed]

5 minutes ago, NaZa said:

I believe a stream can also be highlighted, but I'm not all too familiar with Twitch.

 

You can also do that, but I'm not sure they remain up forever.

[Suitepee]

1 hour ago, NaZa said:

I believe a stream can also be highlighted, but I'm not all too familiar with Twitch.

 

I don't know if there's a different rule NOW for Affiliates/Partners compared to not so, but ever since I started streaming on Twitch in 2013 I've been able to save my entire livestream as a 'highlight', and excepting a few losses over the years (discovered while I've been archiving my entire Twitch library), they've stayed up ever since with no problems.

 

Heck, highlighting livestreams in this way even seems to take care of the rare occasion Twitch 'mutes' a past broadcast.

Edited May 1, 2019 by Suitepee

[seed]

5 minutes ago, Suitepee said:

Heck, highlighting livestreams in this way even seems to take care of the rare occasion Twitch 'mutes' a past broadcast.

 

Speaking of which, Twitch hit me with some BS recently, silencing various portions of some streams for supposedly containing "copyrighted music".

 

GTFO Twitch, you're drunk, you didn't silence that part in Pirate Doom where AC/DC's "Highway to Hell" played ffs.

[Not Jabba]

It sounds like the real winner is the friends you made along the way, especially Horace.

[Altima]

@dt_ As far as I know, you can save an entire stream as a sort of highlight.

Go to your Dashboard > Video Producer > click the 3 dots next to Past Broadcast > click Highlight > set it to highlight the entire stream or the entire attempt(s)

This should allow you to have a (seemingly) permanent backup. It's what I do for my D&D streams and other things such as gaming challenges or specials (like was done for Doomcember). I don't know if this is available to non-affiliates but it's something worth looking into at the very least!

Edited May 1, 2019 by Altima

[Pegleg]

3 hours ago, NaZa said:

Here's to hoping I'll finally do a motivating performance... it May or May not happen.

 

*ba dum tss*

 

I see what you did there.

 

 

59 minutes ago, Not Jabba said:

It sounds like the real winner is the friends you made along the way, especially Horace.

 

Horace is actually a nice guy and very friendly. Unfortunately, he doesn't have a good grasp of personal space, which tends to lead to him losing a lot of friends. He doesn't let that get him down, though. Good for Horace.

[Dragonfly]

Aforementioned VODs are up. Here ya' go! :)

 

Episode 1:

 

 

 

 

 

Episodes 2 & 3:
 

 

[Steve D]

Seeing @NaZa's work on this month's leader board, and considering his past worthy accomplishments on the All-Time Leader Board, I hereby nominate him as the Ironman's MVP -- Most Valuable Player, for those not familiar with this mostly American/Canadian sports term. Go, Naza!!!!!

Edited May 1, 2019 by Steve D

[Tristan]

when you die on the first map of an episode

[Roofi]

So we will be obiged to stream for next ironman? I will still make demos in any case.

 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Roofi

[Alfonzo]

2 hours ago, Roofi said:

So we will be obliged to stream for next ironman? I will still make demos in any case.

 

No. I was entertaining the idea of mandatory streams for players who have been reasonably challenged by trusted speedrunners or other members of the community. Or, at least as many streams as are required to satisfy all parties involved. Discussion obviously didn't develop very far, here, and Bloodite clearly isn't keen on it (which is unfortunate), but it has no impact on the other good citizens of DWIL.

[Bob9001]

So who wins this month? I'm still waiting for the next challenge :D

[RottKing]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kiazfyasz1pc47o/bloodite4.mp3?dl=0 paragraph 2!!!             there's so many words

[Dragonfly]

@Eris Falling

 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Dragonfly

[GoneAway]

I think it's telling that bk didn't actually challenge any of the claims made against him. Lots of personal attacks but no actual claim of innocence. I feel pretty much the same way zm does and it's overall disappointing tbh.

[4shockblast]

Rather disappointing response from Krypto TBH, although not 100% unexpected. :(

 

I think it's not all about skill or impressiveness of achievement that we are talking about here; redirecting the attention to runners like j4rio, Ancalagon, Zzul, etc. is not the solution. Many of these runners have streamed, including some of their "top" achievements. Yes, their achievements may look beyond godlike to a casual runner, but they are consistent amongst one another in terms of gameplay, ability, etc. There have been no reasons to be suspicious of any single achievement of theirs in context of all of their demos.

 

In fact, even when Zero-Master came into the community with a really crazy run for the first post, there was some minor doubts about how that is possible; but he has also streamed and demonstrated his abilities to do what he does effectively quite clearly. So, it's not unexpected that someone's achievements could be doubted, and proof of some sort may be necessary.

 

In this case, there have been several places where highly suspicious moments have been pointed out; "tactical genius" and "dexterous reflexes" simply do not explain magically knowing progression without ever really playing a wad. Especially notable is a moment in Osiris (supposedly completely blind), where Krypto faces the exact correct direction on a lift without ever seeing where to go afterwards because the lift is too high. It's completely ridiculous to believe that this is just magical navigation ability, unless I am provided proof through streaming or other resources. Likewise, moments like the aforementioned Stardate 20x6 fight seem out of place in a run that otherwise seems nothing like the gameplay within that fight.

 

Moments like this are what causes doubt: it is coming from specific instances of suspicious gameplay, a specific stream of hard-to-believe lucky moments in runs, etc. It's not being good at the game that is causing suspicion, and it seems like Krypto was trying to frame the accusations as if they were just that along with jealousy and a bunch of other self-indulgent nonsense.

 

To Krypto: I can't speak for everyone, but I do not want to believe you're cheating out of jealousy or any other reason. It's a shame for me to have to be convinced of something like that; this is a community built on trust, and I would prefer to believe that no one is cheating and that we're all just having fun with this game while trying to make really cool achievements happen. However, we have reason to be suspicious; Zero-Master provided several instances of gameplay that does not look right, and in such cases, we want to have proof, in the form of streaming or something else. And unfortunately, the current response that we have is full of counter-accusations, self-indulgence, redirecting the discussion; it has not addressed any of the specific concerns raised, and there has been no effort to provide evidence in the form of streaming or otherwise for the legitimacy of the existing runs. So, we have no other recourse at this point other than to assume that cheating has occurred, unless the above is provided.

[seed]

40 minutes ago, kraflab said:

I think it's telling that bk didn't actually challenge any of the claims made against him. Lots of personal attacks but no actual claim of innocence. I feel pretty much the same way zm does and it's overall disappointing tbh.

 

People who are caught cheating usually don't have anything to show in order to prove their supposed "innocence".

 

Some make attempts at refutation, others don't, but eventually neither succeed. Anyway, I'm not a Doom demo expert so I can't say anything about bk's demos myself, but if what others are saying is true, then it's as clear as day that he'd cheated in them.

Edited May 2, 2019 by seed

[rodster]

On 5/1/2019 at 1:48 AM, RottKing said:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x99cdyhv2rjuond/bloodite3.mp3?dl=0 Just the first paragraph boys!!

Waht teh fcuk? oh my god xD xD xD Sounds almost like something from a game. Well done! Like a speech from the final boss or smth :D:D:D

Edited May 2, 2019 by rodster

[ReaperAA]

Regarding BK's situation, I genuinely wish he comes out clean. However the arrogant post he made really puts him in bad light and rather answering to ZeroMaster's concerns, he outright starts bashing him.

 

Krypto still has some chance to come out clean by starting streaming to prove his skills. But it appears he is not interested in the idea.

 

If he cheated then its a shame tbh. I mean why should anyone cheat in this. Its not like anyone is earning money or even much fame from this (this is just some fun little competition game within the community)

 

 

[rodster]

Just adding my two cents. I am noob overall so might as well ignore me, but want to get this off my chest.

First of all:

Even if the claim is correct, I find it quite odd to go all out "you cheated 100%" without any proof but merely valid suspicions. I have seen that happening in the Okuplok case and that's what bugged me a lot while reading through the forums.

 

Second of all:

Bloodite, I think it doesn't matter if someone is jealous or not. To be honest I am jealous of most good players, you, ZM, j4rio, Anca, 4shock and so on and so forth but it doesn't really add much to the discussion as far as I can tell. Also the self praising, don't you think that's a little bit too much and exaggerated? Anyways, I do believe you are a very good player, proved it countless times on TNS (btw I am mrbrown93) and I still like to believe that Okuplok didn't cheat but I see the evidence provided really speaks against him and unfortunately he just... vanished lol.

 

Well I lost the thread… oh yeah, just admit that you are using 70% speed just like any other good player. (If you don't get the reference than write me a pm lol) [yeah yeah, lame joke, whatever]

Edited May 2, 2019 by rodster

[seed]

10 minutes ago, ReaperAA said:

I mean why should anyone cheat in this

 

People cheat for a variety of reasons, regardless of whether there is an actual prize to be earned or not.

 

Frustration, making people believe they're better than they actually are, troll, etc. There's people who cheat even in very small communities for the sole reason of building a (false) reputation.

[Pegleg]

1. I think this This is the most popular DWIL thread, in terms of number of posts. I mean, we're on page 7. The vast majority of threads only make it to 3 or 4 pages (The Plutonia Experiment made it to 6 pages and BTSX: E1 and Doom 64 for Doom 2 made it to 5 pages). The unfortunate thing is the reason why this is now the most-commented thread...

 

2.

43 minutes ago, ReaperAA said:

I mean why should anyone cheat in this.

 

I agree. I've said before it's silly to cheat in this contest, where the only reward is an electronic pat on the back from Alfonzo and Naza at the end of the month or year for being the best. But, as seed said, people cheat for all kinds of reasons. I do hope that isn't the case here, though.

 

3.

1 hour ago, seed said:

I'm not a Doom demo expert so I can't say anything about bk's demos myself

 

I'm not an expert at the inner workings of demos, but there are some that are. I remember another discussion where Linguica raised doubts about a demo that Memfis recorded, and he included details about key inputs per tic and things of that sort. It is possible that Memfis may have been trying to point out the fallacy of using PrBoom+ demos as an acceptable format in challenges (of course, in that challenge, a $100 bounty was on the line), but that's a different story.

 

My point is that if someone wants to dig into Bloodite's demos, the tools and the knowledge exist to do so.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Pegleg
Originally I thought this was the most popular thread, but I confirmed that yes, it is.

[Nine Inch Heels]

1 hour ago, Pegleg said:

I've said before it's silly to cheat in this contest, where the only reward is an electronic pat on the back from Alfonzo and Naza at the end of the month or year for being the best. But, as seed said, people cheat for all kinds of reasons. I do hope that isn't the case here, though.

It really doesn't matter how irrational the motivation behind any of this is.

Frankly, just from a plausibility standpoint alone, it's definitely possible to survive one or even several megawads without knowing every last detail about the maps. When it comes to lengthy demos such as Anc's somewhat recent "movie-demo", which has been dubbed "probably tas" by somebody else, it stands to reason that surviving a megawad is within reach for experienced players (and less experienced ones with more careful playstyles), and BK belongs into the experienced category for sure. In my mind there is no doubt that Krypto is good enough to accomplish some feats most people would deem impressive.

But on the other hand, even though I said Krypto is a really good player in my book, I also haven't seen anything out of him that suggests to me that he's got "the magic sauce™", in spite of his most recent effort to pass himself of, once more, as " extraordinarily gifted" in some way shape or form. Perhaps I'm simply not impressionable enough, it's certainly possible. Anyway, situations like the previously mentioned osiris run, that was said to be entirely blind but simply doesn't come across as if that was actually the case entirely, are simply bound to raise questions (or at the very least a few eyebrows), one question being if the demo was "labelled correctly". I've seen the wad in question, and there's nothing in it that looks much like a coin-flip to me, so it's very well possible to survive it straight away, even without knowing much, or anything about it. So, in my mind Krypto is most likely able to beat the wad, but some of the plays he made strike me as "too well choreographed to be blind". And all these things combined, including this very weird way of beating the fight in stardate mentioned by ZM, coupled with Krypto's survival streaks overall (regardless of whether or not he's been beaten) seem simply strange to me. In short, I don't doubt Krypto's skills nearly as much as I doubt the categories he chooses for his runs.

 

Everybody who's ever recorded demos, Krypto included, knows for a fact that sometimes this game is just out to get you, and when that happens it simply doesn't matter how many jedi-force abilities you claim to have up your sleeve, because everybody dies in "bullshit ways" every once in a while no matter how good they are, since all it takes at times is a juicy 45% damage from a shotgunner to end a run. Let's not forget that Krypto usually claims to have little or no knowledge about the maps, goes at a pretty fast pace, and gets pretty far into wads, if he even gets stopped at all. As far as I'm concerned it simply seems statistically unlikely to facilitate such a high survival rate at reasonably high speeds with next to no prep-time at all. Claiming to have "photographic memory", however relevant that may or may not be in a game with no shortage of RNG, simply doesn't do it for me, and core skills like "bending the game to one's will" a.k.a manipulating monsters in favourable ways, or simple dodging patterns are nothing special either.

 

I would have liked to see some explanations from Krypto, thought process during a run that adresses some concerns, approach to combat scenarios in question, anything along those lines, but evidently he can't be bothered to provide an answer beyond "I'm just that good, so don't dare question me, peon!", which is basically his entire post in a nutshell.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Nine Inch Heels

[Suitepee]

So what is the Ironman for May then @Alfonzo?

[Anima Zero]

Totally going to be Alien Vendetta, HR1, or HR2.  Bet on it!

 

...Or maybe don't because my psychic powers suck, that too, heh.

[Nine Inch Heels]

I demand RJ_SLABv4 gotta have a reason to bring dew and tod in here ;-)

[TimeOfDeath666]

Don't think I've played that one before, but I actually had to quit doom a few months ago because of arm/shoulder pain and haven't figured out a new pain-free mouse/keyboard setup yet for doom. Plus, doing fda-style playthroughs sucks with no sound, guess that doesn't matter for rjumping though :)

[Looper]

On 5/2/2019 at 10:35 PM, rodster said:

First of all:

Even if the claim is correct, I find it quite odd to go all out "you cheated 100%" without any proof but merely valid suspicions. I have seen that happening in the Okuplok case and that's what bugged me a lot while reading through the forums.

Okuplok was an obvious cheater. Bloodite Krypto probably thinks "Oku never got busted", hence he is using identical vanish tactic as a valid option to save his face. Too bad for him, both got busted. As far as I know, BK, okuplok and kimoxvirus are/were all friends together, and every one of them cheated.

 

Respect for Kimo for coming out clean. To me, he really seems to be a guy who did stupid mistake because of his young age, as he said. At the same time, I can see how he put a lot of effort into his demos and did his research. I don't think he would have apologized had he not put great effort into his demos. So if kimo_xvirus is ever going to post more demos, I'm going to think he's legit.