unpopular retro opinions

[Sonikkumania]

Command & Conquer and Red Alert both had a believable and surprisingly realistic storylines and cutscenes. It wasn't until Red Alert 2 that the cheesiness took over.

 

Also I prefer Nod's more urban realistic military appearance in the 1st game as opposed to their scifi bad guy looks in something like C&C Renegade.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Sonikkumania

[ReaperAA]

2 hours ago, Sonikkumania said:

Command & Conquer and Red Alert both had a believable and surprisingly realistic storylines and cutscenes. It wasn't until Red Alert 2 that the cheesiness took over.

 

Tiberian Dawn probably. Red Alert 1, not so much. RA1 has a more serious tone than RA2 but it isn't really more realistic. Both have unrealistic technological shenanigans like alternate timeline or mind controlling and have over-the-top villains. Not that all this is bad or anything. I love both RA1 and RA2

[Sonikkumania]

18 minutes ago, ReaperAA said:

 

Tiberian Dawn probably. Red Alert 1, not so much. RA1 has a more serious tone than RA2 but it isn't really more realistic. Both have unrealistic technological shenanigans like alternate timeline or mind controlling and have over-the-top villains. Not that all this is bad or anything. I love both RA1 and RA2

Okay yeah, I wasn't really thinking about all the scientific mambojambo of the plots, lol. Come to think of it, none modern army or terrorist group possess Satellite Ion weaponry or invisible Stealth tanks, lol.

 

What I was after were more about the political and militaristic approaches in these games. For example, in TD Nod manages to make a controversy with fake news, and in Red Alert's Soviet mission 1 you're pretty much commiting a war crime.

[MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai]

On 10/18/2022 at 8:50 AM, invalidlain said:

Sonic is and always was a great franchise

I love you :)

 

Which era is your favorite?

[invalidlain]

On 10/22/2022 at 5:34 AM, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said:

I love you :)

 

Which era is your favorite?

Adventure

[heliumlamb]

the general perception of sonic the hedgehog (2006) would have been drastically different, had it been called sonic adventure 3.

if had to choose between sonic 06 or shadow the hedgehog as the only sonic game for all until heat death i would go for sonic 06.

[Sonikkumania]

1 hour ago, heliumlamb said:

the general perception of sonic the hedgehog (2006) would have been drastically different, had it been called sonic adventure 3.

How come?

[heliumlamb]

29 minutes ago, Sonikkumania said:

How come?

sonic adventure is a game where you can easily fall through level geometry, among all else. it's a mess and sonic 06 isn't too different both in presentation, structure and stability, maybe a bit liess stable. i think it would have been better if one more year were spent on development, i can say i enjoy it and it's a shitty game at the same time.

[Sonikkumania]

5 minutes ago, heliumlamb said:

sonic adventure is a game where you can easily fall through level geometry, among all else. it's a mess and sonic 06 isn't too different both in presentation, structure and stability, maybe a bit liess stable. i think it would have been better if one more year were spent on development, i can say i enjoy it and it's a shitty game at the same time.

The glitches in SA1 or 2 are nowhere near as bad as in Sonic 06, there isn't a teadious loading screen every now and then, the boss battles in Adventure are better, there's more variety with different characters stories. Neither plots aren't really any Grammy worth masterpieces but atleast in Adventure games you don't have a human princess kissing a dead anthromorphic hedgehog, lol.

 

Come on. I admit that Sonic Adventure games have dated but Sonic 06 was dated the day it was released.

[heliumlamb]

22 minutes ago, Sonikkumania said:

The glitches in SA1 or 2 are nowhere near as bad as in Sonic 06, there isn't a teadious loading screen every now and then, the boss battles in Adventure are better, there's more variety with different characters stories. Neither plots aren't really any Grammy worth masterpieces but atleast in Adventure games you don't have a human princess kissing a dead anthromorphic hedgehog, lol.

 

Come on. I admit that Sonic Adventure games have dated but Sonic 06 was dated the day it was released.

It keeps the spirit of hedgehog at least on life support. it is closer in feeling to sonic adventure one compared to say, sonic colors or heroes. It feels like sonic adventure 3, it is. enjoying kusoge is at least one of my toxic traits, and sonic 06 is one of the most important peices of kusoge period.

[Sonikkumania]

11 minutes ago, heliumlamb said:

It keeps the spirit of hedgehog at least on life support. it is closer in feeling to sonic adventure one compared to say, sonic colors or heroes. It feels like sonic adventure 3, it is. enjoying kusoge is at least one of my toxic traits, and sonic 06 is one of the most important peices of kusoge period.

I've never heard "Kusoge" before, Googled and it means "shitty game". Well, yeah..

  Ironically when you say that it "keeps spirit on life support", this is the game that made a really bad impact on the franchise. Even Sonic Heroes is closer to the Adventure games because it shares the same graphical style and voice acting, hell I might go even as far and say that Shadow was the last of the Adventure era games due to these factors I mentioned.

  I think Sonic 06 shared some aspects from the Adventure games but it also tried to be THE NEXT GEN Sonic title for PS3 and 360. It was obviously meant to be a big deal with more edgier tone but due to Sega rushing the game, all we got was a glitchy clusterfuck with a weird plot. From what I remember from the late official Sega forum, people were actually calling Sonic Unleashed the true SA3. This naturally is a matter of opinion, but the fact is that SU was originally titled "Sonic World Adventure".

  Sonic Colors has the cringiest cutscenes in the franchise but atleast it's got redeeming gameplay factor.

[heliumlamb]

6 minutes ago, Sonikkumania said:

I've never heard "Kusoge" before, Googled and it means "shitty game". Well, yeah..

  Ironically when you say that it "keeps spirit on life support", this is the game that made a really bad impact on the franchise. Even Sonic Heroes is closer to the Adventure games because it shares the same graphical style and voice acting, hell I might go even as far and say that Shadow was the last of the Adventure era games due to these factors I mentioned.

  I think Sonic 06 shared some aspects from the Adventure games but it also tried to be THE NEXT GEN Sonic title for PS3 and 360. It was obviously meant to be a big deal with more edgier tone but due to Sega rushing the game, all we got was a glitchy clusterfuck with a weird plot. From what I remember from the late official Sega forum, people were actually calling Sonic Unleashed the true SA3. This naturally is a matter of opinion, but the fact is that SU was originally titled "Sonic World Adventure".

  Sonic Colors has the cringiest cutscenes in the franchise but atleast it's got redeeming gameplay factor.

i didnt play either sonic 06 or sahdow until at least 6-7 years after they released with level-headed expectations unbound by prerelase hype. i've only played the ps2/wii version of unleashed but that was still firmly boost era irrc. sonic 06 is where "adventure era" sonic comes to an absolute end, for all that may entail.

[Herr Dethnout]

• Super Castlevania IV it's not that good, in fact, is one of the worst Castlevanias made (Sadly, because the visuals and sounds are amazing and a testament of what the SNES was capable to do), on the other side in the 16-era got some of the Best Classic castlevanias like Bloodlines, Rondo and Chronicles (Sharp X68K).
   
• Hydlide franchise is criminally underated (in big part thanks to old game reviewers like AVGN and ProJared), and actually was pretty influential in the Action RPG Genre, the Third Game (Known as Super Hydlide in the West) is a masterpiece of the action RPG.
   
• Sonic CD is not only the best 2D Sonic game, is a goddamn masterpiece. The level design is one of the best of the franchise and knows how to take advantage of his features. Also JAP OST >>>>>>>>>>>>> USA OST.
   
• Speaking of Sonic, the best 3D Sonic game is Heroes. Great use of the singleplayer team game.
   
• SEGA >>>>>>>>>>>>> NINTENDO.

Edited October 27, 2022 by Herr Dethnout

[taufan99]

3 minutes ago, Herr Dethnout said:

SEGA >>>>>>>>>>>>> NINTENDO.

Preach!

Although, is this really that unpopular of a retro opinion? Sure, Nintendo was the king in Japan and Yoo-Ess Ayy(lmao), but Sega got a share of popularity in Europe and Brazil.

And then there was also a problem with distributors regarding Sega CD, 32X, and ultimately Saturn, which damaged their reputation at the time and affected Dreamcast a lot.

[Herr Dethnout]

18 minutes ago, taufan99 said:

Preach!

Although, is this really that unpopular of a retro opinion? Sure, Nintendo was the king in Japan and Yoo-Ess Ayy(lmao), but Sega got a share of popularity in Europe and Brazil.

And then there was also a problem with distributors regarding Sega CD, 32X, and ultimately Saturn, which damaged their reputation at the time and affected Dreamcast a lot.

Well, in the case of Brazil his popularity came thanks to the Master System but ended at the start of Mega Drive (It sold well but it wasn't popular as the Master System), in the case of Europe Sega was popular until Mega Drive iirc (the Playstation killed the Saturn in EUR heh)

I don't think it was just distributorts, on the first E3 the strategy of SEGA for the Saturn was to put the console on sale at the same time of the E3 conference, so people can buy the console inmediately, and Sony "Big Dick" Playstation came and just offered the console a low price (the Legendary "299" conference), hurting badly the sales of the Saturn. lol

Edited October 27, 2022 by Herr Dethnout

[Sonikkumania]

28 minutes ago, heliumlamb said:

sonic 06 is where "adventure era" sonic comes to an absolute end, for all that may entail.

This might be true.. It's an end to Adventure era and the start of "Modern" era.

[yakfak]

i kiiinda agree sega > nintendo but mmm mostly cos the first nintendo thing I ever owned was a DS whereas I got to play megadrive pretty early on. toejam and earl have way more star power than mario and link to me and i can't really explain why. smb3 can be one of the best games of all time if it likes but it doesnt have the hyperfunk zone tbh

[Higo Doragon]

i love sonic CD, i love it for what i does right and what it does wrong. it's different, and the vibes are incredible. also the gameplay is much more about exploring then going fast, and i appreciate that, even if sonic is not the best character for this kind of thing.

 

this game should had a sequel that went more hard in what it does right and different, imagine more sandbox-ish levels with more objectives. trying to solve them as efficiently and fast as possible... that would be fun~

and enjoy much much more the JPN OST then the USA one, i don't care. i love the cheesiness and emotion in there

[Ozcar]

3 hours ago, Higo Doragon said:

and enjoy much much more the JPN OST then the USA one, i don't care. i love the cheesiness and emotion in there

Thats a popular opinion, talking about the sonic, ill prefer sonic 3 ost to sonic cd ost, not big fan of sonic cd ost tbh.

[Ozcar]

No

Edited October 29, 2022 by Ozcar

[Sonikkumania]

13 minutes ago, Ozcar said:

ill prefer sonic 3 ost to sonic cd ost

And I prefer Sonic 3 Vanilla OST to Sonic 3 & Knuckles OST.

[indigotyrian]

Sonic CD's US soundtrack is way more interesting and fun to listen to than the JP one imo

[Azuris]

On 10/27/2022 at 10:52 AM, taufan99 said:

Preach!

Although, is this really that unpopular of a retro opinion?

 

I don't know, most People i know here in germany had a Super Nintendo, 386, Commodore 64 and later Playstation, Windows PC or N64.

 

Bought a Megadrive 2018(?) and most Games are way too Arcade like*.

I think the best Games are Streets of Rage (Series), Monster World IV, Phantasy Star IV, Light Crusader (with a modern Stick, bit clunky with a D-Pad), Rolling Thunder 2.

Hell, i even think the Capcom Aladdin is better gameplay wise.

 

Nintendo Games just felt more polished and more like Home Console Games*.

 

Sonic is too overrated, Sega made some way way better Games.

 

*And i think this is what makes you love Nintendo or Sega, do you like Home Console Games more or the Arcade Feeling.

As an Example, i don't really like Turtles in Time the Arcade Version so much, but Turles in Time on Super Nintendo is one of my all Time Favourites.

And this only because some minor Changes in the Gameplay that makes it more like a Home Console Game.

There was just some Polish to do the Game more Home Like.

That is something many Sega Games are lacking, they are vice vera, they aimed to be as near to the Arcade as possible.

 

But its really sad that this died out nearly completly, sometimes it is really neat to have a Crazy Taxi, Tony Hawk or Jet Set Radio.

[LexiMax]

Opinion: Keeping around retro hardware and software working condition is overrated, and emulation is on balance a vastly superior experience.

Edited October 29, 2022 by AlexMax

[indigotyrian]

7 minutes ago, AlexMax said:

Opinion: Keeping around retro hardware and software working condition is overrated, and emulation is on balance a vastly superior experience.

 

Mostly agree except a good CRT and authentic controllers really can't be beat.

[LexiMax]

20 minutes ago, segfault said:

 

Mostly agree except a good CRT and authentic controllers really can't be beat.

 

Ehh, I'm not sure about that.

 

I think that controllers as a whole have never been better than they are in modern times, and I use my Dualshock 4 pretty much anytime I need a controller.  The Xbox One controller is also really good, and if you prefer the feel of classic d-pads 8BitDo makes a number of controllers with an SNES-style "floating" d-pad that's hard to beat.

 

As for CRT's, they are take up way too much space and are way too heavy - in fact I injured myself as a teenager carrying one.  However, aside from that, in my opinion the lack of scanlines in LCD monitors is one of the single biggest quality improvements in monitor technology ever.  For me, buying my first IPS LCD monitor in the mid 2000's was as big of an improvement as getting my first dual-core CPU, or switching to an SSD hard drive.  They do have worse latency, ghosting, and TN panels are an eyesore when it comes to colors, but I'll take all of that over ever seeing another scanline.

Edited October 29, 2022 by AlexMax

[xScavengerWolfx]

Unpopular retro opinion? Well i have been on this new retro fps train ride for a while and i got to say that i like the retro fps era (i don't call it boomer shooter because that name is so fucking dumb in my option), but the one thing retro fps games can't do is re capture the feel of getting pissed off or having to restart the game just to beat a level.

 

For example let's take Super Mario Bros 3 (still one of the best for NES system) back then it was damn near impossible to beat it without restarting (which i found out much much later there was way to actually save the game but i won't get into that) and that was annoying, jump to present day where now if you played it on a "NES" you can save state it and all that junk. I grew up with the NES, SNES, OG Xbox, PSX & PS2, and PC (thought i've never played doom as a kid so i missed out on that growing up, same with Quake). But the point i'm making or trying to make is new retro fps games like dusk, prodeus, project warlock, disdain, hrot and all the remastered games from the good ol' days before shell out money for stupid skins for some person in a game and getting dorknite danced on like there some hot shot from the wild west, they maybe fun but nothing beats setting up the old N64 and playing games on a CRT tv and being send back to childhood.

 

TL;DC - The point i was trying to make is retro nowadays is fine and all but if you really wanted to know what it was like back in the day, just hook up your old system and play the games and find out for yourself ya darn kids.....Sorry i had to throw that one in since i leveled up to 30 now. I'm wolfenstein 3D old lol.

[scalliano]

1 hour ago, AlexMax said:

Opinion: Keeping around retro hardware and software working condition is overrated, and emulation is on balance a vastly superior experience.

Except that emulation for a lot of systems is somewhat out in the weeds - N64, Saturn, Jaguar, PS2, PS3, OG Xbox, 360, etc. I'm all about emulation, but there are a lot of games that still don't work properly or take excessive amounts of arsing about to make playable. Granted it's slowly getting better, but the spotty state of N64 emulation in particular was the reason I went and bought on old system back in 2008. Quake II is less fun when it has a permanent wallhack you can't turn off and the screen disappears when you try to swim. There will eventually be a time when emulation completely supplants real hardware, but in the meantime it's nice to have a backup plan.

 

As for CRT's, maybe it's because I grew up in the PAL regions but scanlines were never really a thing for me as they were much less pronounced on sets in our region due to the higher vertical resolution. I remember the first time I fired up an NTSC game on my modchipped PS1 and it felt like I was playing the game through a set of venetian blinds. It's part of the reason I can't stand scanline filters because the old tellys I used (and still do) didn't look like that. Still, if you don't have space for a zonking great tube TV then stuff like the OSSC is always an option (literally the only way I can hook my PS2/OG Xbox up to my LG panel because SCART isn't a thing anymore).

[omx32x]

On 5/30/2019 at 9:07 AM, Bucket said:

Video games weren't dying in 1983 and Nintendo didn't save the industry.

man i hate when people say that

 

like pc gaming was literally getting bigger during the videogame crash so only console games were dying

 

and ONLY in the US other markets didnt crash so while gaming today would be very different they were never going to die

[LexiMax]

1 hour ago, scalliano said:

N64, Saturn, Jaguar, PS2, PS3, OG Xbox, 360, etc. I'm all about emulation, but there are a lot of games that still don't work properly or take excessive amounts of arsing about to make playable.

 

• N64 emulation is pretty decent these days, and many N64 games had serious framerate or control issues on native hardware, which emulation or remasters can help with.
• Jaguar I have no love for - the best games on that platform had superior ports to other platforms.
• Dreamcast, Gamecube and PS2 emulation is pretty decent these days.
• Radiant Silvergun and Nights were the only games I was truly interested in playing on Saturn and both got superior modern ports.
• The lack of decent OG Xbox emulation kind of stinks, but Halo got the MCC and a modern remaster of JSRF would probably satiate me.
• I have a 360 in my closet and it's pretty useless considering how good Microsoft's backwards compatibility is from the 360 on.

 

My issue with a lot of these platforms aside from what I've already listed is that they use CD or DVD media.  Those drives are not the most reliable thing in the world, and the media itself is more prone to failure.  I don't like owning something that I feel might be a ticking time bomb with no realistic hope of fixing.

Edited October 29, 2022 by AlexMax