Xen0 DooM - A Modern Classic Mod

[Redneckerz]

16 minutes ago, kknot5889 said:

 

Hey man, you don't have to direct that passive aggressive stuff at me. I read your post and that video was the first thing I thought of. I didn't once disagree with what you had to say. No need to get defensive.

To be frank, that's the whole intent of envoking TLDR: By irritatingly so saying that its too long for your taste, that's why it's a staple response.

 

Also didn't help that i could not relate your video to that either.

 

Its good to know you mean't no ill-intent, so i apologise, but i rather make myself clear.

Or, to put it in TLDR: Its all gud and imma head out.

[Liberation]

What an appalling thread.

 

@Xen0You have basically bundled all your favourite mods in to one pack so you can play as you want to, nothing wrong with that as it's like any of us using a mod manager at the end of the day, however stuff like this rarely receives a positive response to being released as it is too tailored to one persons tastes.

 

Also if you can't credit everything, you get all the above posts about stealing assets and then people jumping on the band wagon to give you a good roasting and generally waffling complete shite.

 

 

[P41R47]

Hey guys, do you realice how do you look from the outside?
Its a just a new member, he isn't used to the fromalities ok? He made a mistake and he is already apologizing for what he has done.

Come on! move on! Just give him some air. Try to be in his shoes. Would you like to be somewhat harased for a mistake?
This is the kind of treatment you get from this community when you joined to it? Surely not, so don't be dicks ok?

You tell him he made a bad move, he apologized, then you start attacking what he do with the work he borrowed, well let him be, if you don't like what he do, you don't have to play it. If he likes his Doom to look that way, let him be.

But please, stop this kind of treatment to others, specially to new members. This way you only made Doomworld some kind of place only for old timers. And not friendly to new ones, specially if they are young, as they are a lot more sensible to our stupid bitching.

Do you understand that he loves Doom as much as everybody else? Its not enough he love it soo much that he tried to made a mod for the new young people that also feels attracted to this game but the dated graphic somehow makes them feel ankward?

If you don't undertands that there a lot of different ways to experience something, then please stop bothering with this thread.

@Xen0 are you alright, pal?
Don't let this thing get to your nerves, really stupd things like this something happens when we do something without knowing the correct way to do it. So, if you like to do this kind of things, don't stop, just do as you like, but learn from this kind of situations.
Ok?
Hope you have a nice day!
 

Edited January 26, 2020 by P41R47

[Liberation]

6 minutes ago, P41R47 said:

But please, stop this kind of treatment to others, specially to new members. This way you only made Doomworld some kind of place only for old timers. And not friendly to new ones, specially if they are young, as they are a lot more sensible to our stupid bitching

 

Ironically the people making the biggest fuss are newer members anyway, plus a couple of known muppets. 

[Doomenator]

10 hours ago, Xen0 said:

but i don't find his name in any packages.

Muahahahah!

Maybe you should look here: https://www.google.com/

here: https://github.com/KuriKai/DHTP/tree/master/docs

or here: https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=6132

Since you have serious problems with search and credits, I write the terms of use of my package specifically for you:

 

Copyright / Permissions: You may use/edit this files for any use you see fit, if you give all credits. 

 

 

10 hours ago, Xen0 said:

Maybe someone other have omitted it.

And don't pass the responsibility on to other thieves just because you initially used already stolen content.

[Xen0]

Ok i remove the link. No problem.

[Doomenator]

1 hour ago, Xen0 said:

Ok i remove the link. No problem.

Well, of course, it's easier than make a credit list. :D

[Xen0]

It,s easier than hear all that rage,
instead of simply say:
"Hey, my work is not credited! Delete your link
and repost it only with full credits"

 

But i don't live on the web and certainly i miss something.
Sorry.

Edited January 28, 2020 by Xen0

[Doomenator]

7 hours ago, Xen0 said:

It,s easier than hear all that rage...

Not only my work was not credited. Apparently you didn't even look at the credit lists I gave you.

You had 3 options for what to do: 

 Delete the link to the mod.

 Delete non-credited assets.

 Add a list of credits.

And I don't remember showing any rage, maybe a little trolling. But you've learned a good lesson. And don't play the offended little girl. :D

[Redneckerz]

On 1/26/2020 at 6:46 PM, Liberation said:

What an appalling thread.

 

@Xen0You have basically bundled all your favourite mods in to one pack so you can play as you want to, nothing wrong with that as it's like any of us using a mod manager at the end of the day, however stuff like this rarely receives a positive response to being released as it is too tailored to one persons tastes.

 

Also if you can't credit everything, you get all the above posts about stealing assets and then people jumping on the band wagon to give you a good roasting and generally waffling complete shite.

 

 

If the first response in your thread is this:

Sorry to have hurt the sensibility of someone.

 

Obviously this does not help. The further explainatory highlights a sense of disinterest in caring about this kind of thing.

• Yes, people do not like their work being not credited and i agree that the tone should remain civil or atleast illustrative.
• At the same time, i do not want to assume language barriers are part of the issue. Most folks understand that if you take an iterative work of someone else, the least you can do is credit them... even when its allowed to be shared or not.

Note that this is not a callout on you, i am simply building on what your comment said :)

 

On 1/26/2020 at 6:47 PM, P41R47 said:

Come on! move on! Just give him some air. Try to be in his shoes. Would you like to be somewhat harased for a mistake?

We can return the question: Would you like it if i not only took your work (in my example, a vase), but also your mould used to make the vase and then advertise if i made it?

 

The mistake can easily be fixed by providing a proper credits list. And if one is in doubt: Contact the authors!

 

This isn't a case of ''Lets treat kindly''. All that is requested is a proper credit list, nothing less, nothing more.

 

7 hours ago, Xen0 said:

It,s easier than hear all that rage,
instead of simply say:
"Hey, my work is not credited! Delete your link
and repost it only with full credits"

Thus, it is easier deleting your compilation than providing proper credit which would the ethically right thing to do.

 

As is said, despite the initial good intentions (Because the compilation looks good!) this kind of stuff rarely recieves a positive response. The fact that you decided on full on deletion instead of crediting is damning.

 

Note: I get that the dislikes and backlash recieved is not great and trust me, i wish you wouldn't recieve it. But i do have to question if you understand why people criticize the lack of credit. Do you?

[P41R47]

Only thing that i can say is that things went a lot over board, @Redneckerz
I understand what is the topic here, if you read my previous comments you will see that i used an example similar as yours. I'm an artist IRL, so i know what copyright an proper credits means, but...
I wonder if @Xen0 understands what giving proper credit means...
Don't know, maybe its an idiomatic missunderstanding? Credit isn't something like in credit cards, you don't have to paid royalties ''in this case'', just put the name of the creator of the textures you used on the .txt that comes with the mod. Its credit as in the credit list of a movie.
Because, sorry if i not on your side on this, Xen0, but your actions are not understandable... 
how hard is to put a name on a list?
Doomenator only asked for you to put his name on the list of credits!

[Redneckerz]

11 hours ago, P41R47 said:

Only thing that i can say is that things went a lot over board, @Redneckerz
I understand what is the topic here, if you read my previous comments you will see that i used an example similar as yours. I'm an artist IRL, so i know what copyright an proper credits means, but...

I see little need to take a defensive position to the OP as it has become clear that the OP cannot be bothered to do the absolute minimal that is required to be in regular good standing. It is true that the pushback was significant, but that is to be expected. Especially in the Doom Community where issues with assigning credit are a common occurence.

 

If the issue is language, then perhaps the message should be translated in the OP's native tongue.

 

[Xen0]

15 hours ago, Redneckerz said:

But i do have to question if you understand why people criticize the lack of credit. Do you?

Yes i think so. Maybe i have difficulty to understand the tone
and i've confused the trolling with acrimony.

 

14 hours ago, P41R47 said:

how hard is to put a name on a list?
Doomenator only asked for you to put his name on the list of credits!

No isn't hard, i've already do that. It's hard to repost it:
Where i live my internet connection take 1 week to upload the whole file.
I've used a friend connection to upload the perevious file.
And posting a separate credits.txt don't think have any sense.

[Redneckerz]

22 minutes ago, Xen0 said:

Yes i think so. Maybe i have difficulty to understand the tone
and i've confused the trolling with acrimony.

Yeah that's not the case. People are however critical, which is different :)

22 minutes ago, Xen0 said:

And posting a separate credits.txt don't think have any sense.

A proper text file or Credits section in your release text is also more than enough :)

[P41R47]

2 hours ago, Xen0 said:

No isn't hard, i've already do that. It's hard to repost it:
Where i live my internet connection take 1 week to upload the whole file.
I've used a friend connection to upload the perevious file.
And posting a separate credits.txt don't think have any sense.

Oh, what a hassle! Well, now i understand you.
Don't worry! Just credit them when you can and everything will be alright.
I don't want to talk for anybody but please, don't think that we are a bunch of intolerant.
It just that this kind of things are somewhat sensible matters.
But don't take it personal, this kind of things happend a lot even with veteran members.
I think that you now know how to handle this kind of situation, but if anything happens again somehow, the proper action to take when someone is requesting to be credited is to answer that it will be properly credited when you have the time to re upload the file, and apologize for don't doing it the first time.
Have a nice day, Xen0!

 

6 hours ago, Redneckerz said:

I see little need to take a defensive position to the OP as it has become clear that the OP cannot be bothered to do the absolute minimal that is required to be in regular good standing. It is true that the pushback was significant, but that is to be expected. Especially in the Doom Community where issues with assigning credit are a common occurence.

 

If the issue is language, then perhaps the message should be translated in the OP's native tongue.

 

Its not taking a defensive position, just trying to appease the situation. Sometimes, a very critical posture just produce the contrary effect.
From what i readed throught all the post, Xen0 understanded pretty well what was the issuing matter, but we don't know about his circumstances. So, without that information, it come to me that being pushy about the request wasn't making any good, even if they got the right to. The counterparts in this disagreement just needed to talk in a way that they could be clear to each other.
 

[Doomenator]

9 hours ago, Xen0 said:

No isn't hard, i've already do that. It's hard to repost it:

You will need to add the original credit files from DHTP and AltDHTP to your mod. Unless of course you want to get complaints from other authors. It doesn't matter how long the file takes to load. I don't think anyone will die in that time. )

[TheOldKing1998]

The fact that brutal doom options are still in the control menu despite doing nothing says alot about this mod

[Xen0]

Ok, i,ve inserted full credits on the first post.

I've contacted a friend with "good" connection and asked him to merge credit.txt and upload the file.

The link will be ready within a day or two.

If someone find errons in credits, report it so i can correct it in time.

 

A curiosity: What it mean "OP"?

 

[Xen0]

12 hours ago, TheOldKing1998 said:

The fact that brutal doom options are still in the control menu despite doing nothing says alot about this mod

Oh, i was thinking that was in gzdoom controls, like Strife.

Corrected. Now controls are right: only kick. 

Edited January 30, 2020 by Xen0

[P41R47]

 

12 hours ago, Xen0 said:

Ok, i,ve inserted full credits on the first post.

I've contacted a friend with "good" connection and asked him to merge credit.txt and upload the file.

The link will be ready within a day or two.

If someone find errons in credits, report it so i can correct it in time.

 

A curiosity: What it mean "OP"?

 

OP: Original Poster, i think?
Glad you can fix this Xen0 :)

[Redneckerz]

22 hours ago, Xen0 said:

A curiosity: What it mean "OP"?

Original/Opening Post.

 

An lesser-used alternative is TS: Topic/Thread Starter.

[Xen0]

Full credits addeded, file updated and uploaded, link ready.

Thanks to all who helped. Bye.

[Doomenator]

On 2/1/2020 at 4:22 AM, Xen0 said:

Full credits addeded, file updated and uploaded, link ready.

Thanks to all who helped. Bye.

By the way, since you mentioned the lack of credits in the resources used. Write a list of packs from which you took textures and links for them or sites such as ModDB (if possible).