What movie do you dislike but every else loves?

[Spooner5020]

On 8/24/2023 at 1:40 AM, WorldMachine said:

Cooties...

Everyone else seems to think this movie is good!

I don't.

It makes me sick tbh...

Yeah I didn’t get the love for that movie.

[Kwisior]

1 hour ago, Rudolph said:

As for me, I would say Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer: I already hate the director and the movie is yet another case of focusing exclusively on a genocidal war criminal and portraying sympathetically all because he felt sad afterwards. Truman was a horrible human being, but I was totally with him when he called Oppenheimer a "crybaby". Like, seriously, what were you expecting there, genius?

The bomb could've been developed first by Nazi Germany if it wasn't for the Manhattan Project, so it wasn't all that horrible. It actually saved many potential lives, although the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents were horrible, unnecessary crimes.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Kwisior

[Rudolph]

35 minutes ago, Kwisior said:

The bomb could've been developed first by Nazi Germany if it wasn't for the Manhattan Project, so it wasn't all that horrible. It actually saved many potential lives, although the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents were horrible, unnecessary crimes.

That is a myth.

 

Nazi Germany had already been defeated by that point and Japan was also about to surrender anyway. What is most likely is that Truman had the bombs dropped because the Soviets were preparing to invade Japan, which would have prevented the United States from claiming it for themselves and turning it into a puppet state - rehabilitating some of its worst war criminals, such as the cartoonishly evil Nobusuke Kishi, in the process - that would later serve as a staging ground for their genocidal campaign in Korea. So much for "saving many potential lives"...

 

Either way, Oppenheimer was an asshole and he did not deserve to be lionized. 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Rudolph

[Kwisior]

6 hours ago, Rudolph said:

That is a myth.

 

Nazi Germany had already been defeated by that point and Japan was also about to surrender anyway. What is most likely is that Truman had the bombs dropped because the Soviets were preparing to invade Japan, which would have prevented the United States from claiming it for themselves and turning it into a puppet state - rehabilitating some of its worst war criminals, such as the cartoonishly evil Nobusuke Kishi, in the process - that would later serve as a staging ground for their genocidal campaign in Korea. So much for "saving many potential lives"...

 

Either way, Oppenheimer was an asshole and he did not deserve to be lionized. 

The Manhattan Project has been started way before Germany surrendered, and all the research couldn't have gone to waste.

As for saving potential lives, the fear of a nuclear war may be one of the big factors why there wasn't a WW3 yet, and probably won't be in the foreseeable future.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Kwisior

[Merry Widow]

"Barbie".   UGH!

[Rudolph]

1 hour ago, Kwisior said:

As for saving potential lives, the fear of a nuclear war may be one of the big factors why there wasn't a WW3 yet, and probably won't be in the foreseeable future.

It certainly has not stopped all the genocidal proxy wars that the US has waged since, so it really does not look like the Manhattan Project has done much to "save potential lives". And let us be honest here: when people talk about all the hypothetical lives that have been saved, they just mean American lives, because as Korea and Vietnam are any indication, the United States is absolutely fine massacring as many people as it can to maintain their hegemony over the world. For all intents and purposes, WW3 has already happened.

 

But back to Oppenheimer the movie, I guess the next logical step now is a Kissinger biopic... -_-

Edited August 27, 2023 by Rudolph

[Kwisior]

1 hour ago, Rudolph said:

It certainly has not stopped all the genocidal proxy wars that the US has waged since, so it really does not look like the Manhattan Project has done much to "save potential lives". And let us be honest here: when people talk about all the hypothetical lives that have been saved, they just mean American lives, because as Korea and Vietnam are any indication, the United States is absolutely fine massacring as many people as it can to maintain their hegemony over the world. For all intents and purposes, WW3 has already happened.

Wars like the one in Vietnam or Ukraine are probably here to stay, but a full-blown World War that affects all kinds of nations in the crossfire (not just America) isn't very likely at this time, one reason being the atomic bomb.

[Mr. Freeze]

1 hour ago, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said:

Anything that makes one show and feel uncomfortable thoughts is bad and pretentious.

 

I think with most subversive/transgressive material, there's a sliding scale of uncomfortableness people are willing to tolerate. I can watch violent movies, but graphic rape scenes hit my limit and make me turn off whatever I'm watching. I don't think that makes me or someone else a pussy, just that some people hit their limits maybe earlier than others. As far as A Clockwork Orange goes, at least the film is trying to make a point and isn't just gratuitous trash. 

 

Also anyone arguing the atomic bomb wasn't necessary needs to look up Operation Downfall and the monumental cost it would've taken to force Japan to surrender through a mainland invasion. The government minted a million and a half Purple Heart medals alone, which are STILL being issued today in lieu of newly minted medals. The entire continent would've fought to the death. 

[Kwisior]

2 hours ago, Mr. Freeze said:

Also anyone arguing the atomic bomb wasn't necessary needs to look up Operation Downfall and the monumental cost it would've taken to force Japan to surrender through a mainland invasion. The government minted a million and a half Purple Heart medals alone, which are STILL being issued today in lieu of newly minted medals. The entire continent would've fought to the death. 

That's interesting, although I'm still convinced that the second one was needed for that goal.

Edit: The Japanese weren't even given a proper warning, and possibly didn't even know that the USA had working bombs. They didn't even need to drop the first one (unexpectedly, and on innocent civilians) to make them surrender.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Kwisior

[Redneckerz]

On 8/27/2023 at 2:03 PM, Rudolph said:

As for me, I would say Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer: I already hate the director and the movie is yet another case of focusing exclusively on a genocidal war criminal and portraying sympathetically all because he felt sad afterwards. Truman was a horrible human being, but I was totally with him when he called Oppenheimer a "crybaby". Like, seriously, what were you expecting there, genius?

What is it with using the term hate as a means to say í don''t like? Hate is is such a strong word.

 

Au contraire, i feel Oppenheimer shows the amount of remorse one has had to have knowing your discoveries lead to a horrible outcome. Oppenheimer being a strange coot, i can see why there is little sympathy for him. Then again, if you were fully aware of the implications of what you are creating, you wouldn't be a happy rooster either.

 

On 8/27/2023 at 3:59 PM, Rudolph said:

Either way, Oppenheimer was an asshole and he did not deserve to be lionized. 

I like how this is said but you haven't elaborated why.

[Rudolph]

1 hour ago, Mr. Freeze said:

Also anyone arguing the atomic bomb wasn't necessary needs to look up Operation Downfall and the monumental cost it would've taken to force Japan to surrender through a mainland invasion. The government minted a million and a half Purple Heart medals alone, which are STILL being issued today in lieu of newly minted medals. The entire continent would've fought to the death. 

That is just racist, dehumanizing propaganda in the same vein as Westmoreland's "The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner" quote to justify the atrocities that have been committed. Also, Japan is not a continent, but a group of islands.

 

I think we should stop this argument before it gets any worse and go back to talking about popular movies we did not like.

 

Here is another much-beloved movie that I dislike: The Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I seem to remember bringing that one up elsewhere, but that movie failed to even make me chuckle once. Which is a shame, as on paper, I like most of the jokes and I understand why they have become so quotable (even Fallout 2's rendition of the Bridge of Death had me laughing out loud), but the actual movie, like all of the Monty Python's work for that matter, left me kind of perplexed and frustrated. Oh well...

Edited August 28, 2023 by Rudolph

[Master O]

On 2/7/2020 at 10:14 PM, DRM-MAN said:

Hey there i'm here to say, what movie do you think is overrated but you're the only person who thinks it's overrated.

 

The Goonies.

 

There, I said it. 

[Master O]

4 hours ago, Rudolph said:

That is just racist, dehumanizing propaganda in the same vein as Westmoreland's "The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner" quote to justify the atrocities that have been committed. Also, Japan is not a continent, but a group of islands.

 

I think we should stop this argument before it gets any worse and go back to talking about popular movies we did not like.

 

Here is another much-beloved movie that I dislike: The Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I seem to remember bringing that one up elsewhere, but that movie failed to even make me chuckle once. Which is a shame, as on paper, I like most of the jokes and I understand why they have become so quotable (even Fallout 2's rendition of the Bridge of Death had me laughing out loud), but the actual movie, like all of the Monty Python's work for that matter, left me kind of perplexed and frustrated. Oh well...

 

You just don't really care for British humor.  That's not unusual.

[Kwisior]

4 hours ago, Rudolph said:

Here is another much-beloved movie that I dislike: The Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I seem to remember bringing that one up elsewhere, but that movie failed to even make me chuckle once. Which is a shame, as on paper, I like most of the jokes and I understand why they have become so quotable (even Fallout 2's rendition of the Bridge of Death had me laughing out loud), but the actual movie, like all of the Monty Python's work for that matter, left me kind of perplexed and frustrated. Oh well...

Life of Brian is absolutely brilliant imo. One of my favorite films.

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

Cool, another fun and innocent thread full of Rudolph arguing about politics. Adding "Japan is not a continent, but a group of islands" to my book of memorable quotes.

 

Anyway, I recently watched Witchfinder General, and I thought it sucked. It's extremely cartoony even for its time, and there is nothing special about Vincent Price's performance. In fact, there isn't anything special about any of the cast. The ending had me laughing as the main character slaughters Price with a plastic dollar store axe, the only entertaining scene in the film. The script sucks, the dialogue is bland, the cinematography and special effects range from bland to okay, save for one somewhat impressive ten-second scene where a woman is burned at the stake. There's no atmosphere (the soundtrack actually makes an attempt just to be let down by the rest of the film), it's not thought provoking or disturbing in any way. The fact that some critics actually said things like "this is every bit a historical drama as much as it is a horror film" is fucking laughable. Nothing about the movie is remotely realistic, and the plot is complete made up bullshit that has little to do with the real-life Witchfindah. Ken Russell's "The Devils" is a fucking awesome film that came out within a few years of Witchinder, with similar subject matter. Watch that instead, or maybe listen to the doom metal band Witchfinder General, or the song Witchfinder General by doom metal band Cathedral. I guess doom metallers really liked this corny-ass movie.

[Rudolph]

50 minutes ago, Master O said:

You just don't really care for British humor. 

No, that is not true.

 

I love plenty of British comedies such as Mr. Bean, Guy Ritchie's Snatch and Hot Fuzz, and I am a big fan of the likes of Little Kuriboh and H.Bomberguy. In fact, one of the funniest YouTube videos I have ever seen was made by a British comedian.

 

As I said, I do like most of the Monty Python jokes on paper, but I do not particularly care for the way they are told, I am not really sure why. "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life" is a good song, that I definitely can agree with.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Rudolph

[Koko Ricky]

I found Midsomar to be a boring and surface level exploration of trauma, toxicity, cults and redemption; devoid of any real commentary, likable characters or halfway decent payoffs. It is worse than bad; it is mediocre. 

[Murdoch]

On 8/29/2023 at 5:07 AM, Redneckerz said:

What is it with using the term hate as a means to say í don''t like? Hate is is such a strong word.

 

Don't try arguing with Rudolph. He is beyond logic. The fact that he went and watched a movie by a director he already "hated" shows how fundamentally borked his thinking is.

[gibfrag]

Citizen Kane. That movie is so boring. From a filmmaking POV, it is fascinating, but the movie itself is so boring and how it is often considered one of the best, if not the best, films ever is beyond me.

[Rudolph]

4 hours ago, gibfrag said:

Citizen Kane. That movie is so boring. From a filmmaking POV, it is fascinating, but the movie itself is so boring and how it is often considered one of the best, if not the best, films ever is beyond me.

I do enjoy the movie, but I think its legendary reputation is mostly due to Orson Welles's flamboyant personality as a director as well as the public battle between him and the vile William Randolph Hearst, who tried every dirty trick to bury the movie.

 

It is a bit like how Terry Gilliam's The Man Who Killed Don Quixote is now mostly remembered for its long, troubled and downright cursed development; it eventually came out in 2018, apparently, but I have not seen it and it does not seem like people are talking about it anymore.

Edited August 31, 2023 by Rudolph

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

6 hours ago, Koko Ricky said:

I found Midsomar to be a boring and surface level exploration of trauma, toxicity, cults and redemption; devoid of any real commentary, likable characters or halfway decent payoffs. It is worse than bad; it is mediocre. 

I didn't like it either, it felt shallow and the characters were uninteresting. I also didn't like Hereditary. It might make me sound like a pompous edgelord, but most of the new and popular horror movies do nothing for me. I don't find either film to be disturbing at all, but I'm obviously supposed to be disturbed. That's what sucks about horror films - you develop a tolerance. It's a problem that's somewhat unique to that genre. I found both films to be lacking, with Hereditary being very forgettable for me.

[OliveTree]

i have to third Midsommar and add on the fact that I think imo its kind of offensively clumsy w/ some of its subject matter (like rape).

 

For my personal answer to the title tho, gonna have to be Cars. The movie Cars. I think that movie has no redeeming qualities. Literally think Cars 2 is better

 

edit: by the way, is there a thread with the opposite premise as this one? "what movie do you love but everyone else dislikes?"

 

because i have LOTS of those..

Edited August 31, 2023 by OliveTree

[Rudolph]

7 hours ago, OliveTree said:

edit: by the way, is there a thread with the opposite premise as this one? "what movie do you love but everyone else dislikes?"

 

because i have LOTS of those..

Well, I did start a Actually Good Movies thread a while back.

 

I might as well rename it for the occasion.

Edited August 31, 2023 by Rudolph

[doombedoom]

Star Wars 7, Star Wars 9, Fantastic Beasts 1-2, Jurassic World 1-2, Transfomers 5. Basically all movies with plots so awful it's insulting their viewers' intelligence.

In TV Series, Lost is the one and only champion of crappiness.

[Mr Masker]

8 hours ago, doombedoom said:

Star Wars 7, Star Wars 9,

It's unpopular to dislike these movies?

 

I thought hating them was considered the usual. Haven't seen them but I got that idea from reading the room.

[doombedoom]

6 hours ago, Mr Masker said:

It's unpopular to dislike these movies?

 

I thought hating them was considered the usual. Haven't seen them but I got that idea from reading the room.

Considering that they got top worldwide gross, and rated high on imdb and rotten tomatoes, definitely way more people liking those, at least initially

[Azuris]

Avatar 2 - The Plot is so brutal unlogical.

The Humans came to conquer the whole Planet, but hey, the Main Characters Family leave the Forest Tribe, so they are save... What?
No, if they want to conquer the Planet they will bring War to everyone.

They want the Ressources and Habitat... But why? They can travel Space and have an insane Technology, go harvest some dead Planet, Asteroid or Moon and build some fancy Space Station or do Terraforming.

They slaughter the Alien Whales to get that immortal making Stuff, but why don't they synthesize it? They can clone and make all kind of crazy biological Stuff.

The whole Aqua Tribe wents to War because they kidnapped the Daughter, but at the Fight in the End everyone just disappears.

[Quasar]

Absolutely anything with "superheroes" or comicbook "characters" in it, if it was made after the Nolan Batman movies. Those were the last ones to have any pretense of art versus mass-produced schlock.

[lunchlunch]

I'll go with directors who are acclaimed but I find to be boring, hacky, or overrated- Nolan, Bresson, Cassavettes, Wong Kar-wai, Refn, Spielberg, and half of Tarkovsky's output.

 

@TheMagicMushroomMan The Devils is top five for me, it's a perfect movie. Witchfinder General is pretty boring but if you're in the mood for a similar movie that's actually good, check out Witchhammer (1970). Alternatively, there is Mother Joan of the Angels (1961) which is based on the same historical event as The Devils.

[TasAcri]

Inception and Interstellar. Especially Interstellar. I didn't have any expectations for Inception (which was boring) but Interstellar was disappointing.

 

I wanted to see a movie about science and space but instead it was a love/family melodrama or some cringe like that.

 

And boy, that "what's inside the black hole" reveal... I remember being disappointed by the ending in Contact (love that movie otherwise) but this takes the cake. I would never imagine it would be possible for someone to make a Black Hole seem... lame. But Nolan managed it.

 

So, the most overrated director then IMO. I feel he got as successful because he got lucky with Ledger that one time.