What is your most hated demon in Doom?

[hex11]

I like them all, and I also like Doom a lot more than any of the later IWADs.

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hex11 said:

I like them all, and I also like Doom a lot more than any of the later IWADs.

I thought Strife was pretty cool.

[qoncept]

Can't stand Lost Souls and can't believe it took so long for someone else to mention them. Seems like about half of them succumb to one glitch or another and waste (or make me feel like they're wasting) a ton of ammo.

[purist]

The thing I dislike about lost souls is how they get snagged on items like ammo. I think they infight too easily with each other too.

[printz]

I wonder if it's possible to swarm the player with Lost Souls. I've seen slaughter arenas with lots of Demons, Imps and other monsters with flesh. But Lost Souls (without Elementals)? No? They cooperate badly?

[chexwarrior]

K!r4 said:

Lost Souls. I owe them ridiculous deaths on Ep4.

The classic turn around with a rocket launcher and shoot... only to blow up the lost soul that's right in your face...

Yeah I hate Lost Souls too.

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Chex Warrior said:

The classic turn around with a rocket launcher and shoot... only to blow up the lost soul that's right in your face...

Yeah I hate Lost Souls too.

So what are u guys sayin about Pain Elementals then?Yeah,I know they're only in D2,still...

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printz said:

I wonder if it's possible to swarm the player with Lost Souls. I've seen slaughter arenas with lots of Demons, Imps and other monsters with flesh. But Lost Souls (without Elementals)? No? They cooperate badly?

They infight often.One of the few reedeeming things about them.Then there's also the floating glitch,but i'm not getting into details...

[Daiyu_Xiaoxiang]

Probably lost souls, annoying enough!

[yellowmadness54]

I like typing "kill lostsoul" and watching pain elementals shoot off blanks.

[elic]

Barons, because they take forever to kill.

[Darkman 4]

Processingcontrol said:

Barons, because they take forever to kill.

Barons are fine if the map maker gives you a Rocket Launcher or anything more powerful than it, along with a half-decent ammo supply for the gun. Otherwise, they're a slog and are best used to start in fights or just to run away from. Taking them down with the SG or Chaingun is a complete waste of ammo and time.

[Snakes]

Hanging Victim, 1-legged (blocking)

To this day, I've yet to come a cross a more frustrating presence.

[Jodwin]

printz said:

I wonder if it's possible to swarm the player with Lost Souls. I've seen slaughter arenas with lots of Demons, Imps and other monsters with flesh. But Lost Souls (without Elementals)? No? They cooperate badly?

At least not without ports (20 soul limit).

[Grain of Salt]

[Phml]

Arachnotrons is one of these monsters I love as a player and hate as a mapper. So many times I want to place one and realise there isn't enough room for the poor thing to not get stuck.

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Grain of Salt said:

1. If you don't stop them, they'll keep firing forever..

So does any monster.

[Daiyu_Xiaoxiang]

And one good thing is related to infighting, which Arachnotrons are very useful to kill tough monsters like Barons and revenants since their plasma balls have quite high damage.

[Grain of Salt]

[DoomUK]

Zombiemen, I guess. Because they're so easily disposed of that I wonder why they were included to this day.

[Jodwin]

Grain of Salt said:

Really? Out of all the monsters, I like arachnotrons the best. Sure, they can be used badly, like any monster, but they just have so many unique, valuable quirks.

1. If you don't stop them, they'll keep firing forever.
3. They have the fastest projectiles.

I like arachs too (their death sound is awesome), but those things don't make them much more interesting to fight. Assuming the map has enough space to move in or some cover the arachs' constant firing doesn't mean a thing. However if the map is built so that the arach's fire can drive you in a corner where you can't help being hit then it's good (that's why I said they're a borderline case). Still, a projectile aimed straight at you is just a projectile aimed straight at you, no matter how fast it moves or how fast they're shot.


edit: Just imagine if all Patche did was throwing bullets straight at you. That would make her much easier, and that's how majority of Doom monsters function. Yawn. :(

[printz]

Jodwin said:

At least not without ports (20 soul limit).

I said Lost Souls without elementals. I meant simply placing lots of Lost Souls in the map to teleport/appear in a large arena to overwhelm the player.

They do work much better at overwhelming the player under -fast mode or nightmare. See E2M5 or E4M5. But how about not -fast?

[hex11]

Lost souls seem to work pretty well in combination with barons and rocket launchers. The RL is needed to quickly dispose of the barons, but have to be careful or a lost soul might get in your LOF and mess up your day...
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1048880

Edit: linking to a specific post doesn't work for me, well here's the PWAD (you might need Freedoom to run it, and it's E1M1):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/w7lj7f

[printz]

Jodwin said:

Still, a projectile aimed straight at you is just a projectile aimed straight at you, no matter how fast it moves or how fast they're shot.

If a projectile moves fast enough, your reflexes will be tested more to the limits. It's harder to evade a fast imp fireball than a slow one.

[Reisal]

Lost Souls. Irritating little buggers.

[qoncept]

hex11 said:
Lost souls seem to work pretty well in combination with barons and rocket launchers. The RL is needed to quickly dispose of the barons, but have to be careful or a lost soul might get in your LOF and mess up your day...

Work well at what? Making a level a frustrating crapshoot?

[ClumsyDoomer]

Cyberdemon... no, I like cyberbattles.
Chaingunner... no, they look so funny.
Spider Mastermind... Yes, that's it. I hate its chainguns.

[NiTROACTiVE]

For some reason, I feel I shouls make a thread similar to this one, but only it will be about Doom 2, meaning we can mention monster you can't find in The Ultimate Doom. Should I do it, or not?

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NitroactiveStudios said:

For some reason, I feel I shouls make a thread similar to this one, but only it will be about Doom 2, meaning we can mention monster you can't find in The Ultimate Doom. Should I do it, or not?

OKAY PEOPLE,LISTEN UP!FROM NOW ON,DOOM 2 MONSTERS CAN BE MENTIONED IN THIS THREAD AS WELL!!!

[hex11]

It's hard to decide between revenants and chaingunners, but at least I can dodge rockets.

Yeah, chaingunners can suck it down.