Mick Gordon unlikely to work on another Doom game after Eternal’s OST release

[Edward850]

40 minutes ago, whatup876 said:

Like, it's such a simple thing and it's not piracy or anything.

Except for, you know, the copyrighted music you're uploading. That's not something you're automatically allowed to do.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Edward850

[⇛Marnetmar⇛]

44 minutes ago, whatup876 said:

Channels and videos of video game music rips being taken down sounds scary and awful.

Like, it's such a simple thing and it's not piracy or anything.

 

It's something you expect Nintendo to do because they're Nintendo but seeing it applied to something Doom/id Software related feels wrong and almost contrary to whatever Carmack would do/did during his id days.

 

In an age where copyright/licensing policies are already bad enough and screwy over users and (mostly small) creators, this kinda sucks.

Specially because i don't believe they're ever going to do a proper OST release.

Where have you been for the past 20 years

[whatup876]

I live in the EU, so i always kept looking into news about the new copyright directive, what i'm saying is just basic information, so i know it's not a revelation.

 

It's just that simply looking for a game's song on Youtube is just an easy activity and an example that technically everyone who ever lived did piracy in their lives.

It doesn't really stop people from buying videogame OST's and the games they come from. (sometimes, it's like free advertising, which as a concept is something relevant in modern nerd/fanbase culture because of brand loyality)

Some even buy a game after they pirate it, even if it's not always the case.

 

If something ever flops commercially, the blame is more likely on marketing, the publisher or even a product's quality before the consumers.

Doom is also so popular and liked by many, even someone like Crowbcat made a positive video about 2016's release being compared to its E3 reveal.

Edited August 7, 2020 by whatup876

[Caffeine Freak]

1 hour ago, whatup876 said:

It's just that simply looking for a game's song on Youtube is just an easy activity and an example that technically everyone who ever lived did piracy in their lives.

It doesn't really stop people from buying videogame OST's and the games they come from. (sometimes, it's like free advertising, which as a concept is something relevant in modern nerd/fanbase culture because of brand loyality)

Some even buy a game after they pirate it, even if it's not always the case.

 

The fact that most people have looked up copyrighted songs on YT is part of the reason people are hardly ever punished for that sort of thing in a legal sense. It's like jaywalking; the fact that everyone does it doesn't make it legal.

 

Just as an aside, if you see a YT video of a copyrighted song that wasn't uploaded from an official account, and the video in question has lots of views, there's a *very* high chance that all the profits from said video go directly to the record company.

 

Also, if you think someone having their YT channel wiped for uploading copyrighted music sounds 'scary and awful', wait'll you hear about the people who have faced jail time for pirating videogames. 

Edited August 7, 2020 by Caffeine Freak

[Vic Vos]

Let the drama commence once again!

 

Spoiler

[⇛Marnetmar⇛]

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Edited August 7, 2020 by Marn

[seed]

Speaking of nuking channels, I wonder if it isn't something that YT is doing, for some reason? In the last couple of days I have also noticed my number of channels I'm subscribed to has been decreasing, but since I am following quite literally hundreds of channels I cannot determine what exactly has gone missing. It was primarily music stuff though, whatever it was more exactly, so this is indeed dubious.

 

At any rate, I think we can now leave the matter to rest, if that conversation is true it confirms Mick is no longer involved with Eternal and/or Bethesda, end of story and speculation, period. And please, for the love of Satan, stop reading or citing sources like fucking Reddit, that place is a cesspit with nothing of much value to offer anymore.

[Man of Doom]

2 hours ago, seed said:

Speaking of nuking channels, I wonder if it isn't something that YT is doing, for some reason? In the last couple of days I have also noticed my number of channels I'm subscribed to has been decreasing, but since I am following quite literally hundreds of channels I cannot determine what exactly has gone missing. It was primarily music stuff though, whatever it was more exactly, so this is indeed dubious.

Yeah, it seems like you’re not the only one who’s noticed this. Several other people have reported channels with music in them getting nuked — and not necessarily just the OST/soundtrack gamerips of Bethesda titles.

So it does seem like the usual YouTube chicanery.

 

In any case, it seems like any chances at a true OST release anytime soon are pretty much dead in the water and that this whole thing seems to be some kind of cruel coincidence, especially since Mick is legally unable to continue working on Eternal (at least according to the man himself).

 

Officially, Mick wants to get a “Mick cut” of Eternal’s OST out there someday but he can’t due to the soundtrack being tied up in legal reasons, but Marty mentions that Mick is more than welcome to contribute more tracks to the OST if he so desired. Only thing that I can really think of ATM is that Chad is the one working on mastering the OST to sound better, but I can’t be 100% sure about that.

 

Either way, that part of the situation makes no particular sense.

 

EDIT: So the OST for Prey 2017 got removed from Spotify, which is especially weird given how Mick didn’t actually make all of it.

Edited August 7, 2020 by Man of Doom

[⇛Marnetmar⇛]

Sure be a shame if the stems got leaked in case someone wanted to do a proper remix wink wink nudge nudge

[Biodegradable]

If uploads containing Doom Eternal music tracks are indeed being kicked off of YouTube, it makes me wonder if this montage edit I made will get taken down. After all, I did use a DE track for it.

 

 

I guess I'll just have to wait and see if anything happens.

[D4NUK1]

1 hour ago, Biodegradable said:

If uploads containing Doom Eternal music tracks are indeed being kicked off of YouTube, it makes me wonder if this montage edit I made will get taken down. After all, I did use a DE track for it.

 

 

I guess I'll just have to wait and see if anything happens.

For 42 seconds don't trink so, the algorithm don't work like that 

[Biodegradable]

You'd think so, but if you're at all familiar with YouTube's copyright bot, then you know that videos can get pinged for mere seconds of song use. It is at its most notorious when it comes to music.

[seed]

Bio's right, YT is notorious for its copyright strikes (false or otherwise) for a reason after all.

 

But now it seems to include channels as a whole too.

[Caffeine Freak]

11 hours ago, seed said:

Bio's right, YT is notorious for its copyright strikes (false or otherwise) for a reason after all.

 

But now it seems to include channels as a whole too.

 

To my recollection, this is the process: YT has a very basic three strikes rule for channels. Usually YT gives you a chance to dispute copyright claims on videos, at which point they'll be submitted for someone at YT to review them. Until the dispute is settled however, the video remains inaccessible. But if you suddenly get hit with *dozens* of copyright violation strikes at once, your channel will be inaccessible until the claims are resolved---either in your favor, at which point your channel gets restored, or in the claimant's favor, at which point your channel is permanently deleted.

 

Based on the fact that I still see *plenty* of results for Eternal's soundtrack on YT when I search for it, I'd say this has nothing to do with anyone at Bethesda or id, and probably just some fuck-up on the part of Youtube's AI that caused it to flag these particular channels in the last week or so. If that's the case, it's possible these channels may resurface in the near future, assuming these guys went to the trouble of disputing these copyright claims. 

[Man of Doom]

On a somewhat related note regarding the DLC’s OST, it seems like they’ve decided to go with Andrew Hulshult.

 

In the Hugo/Marty QuakeCon panel, during a section where they showed employees wearing the Slayer helmet, they played what was potentially a sneak peek at the DLC soundtrack; what was heard is very much Andrew’s musical DNA.

 

1 hour ago, Caffeine Freak said:

Based on the fact that I still see *plenty* of results for Eternal's soundtrack on YT when I search for it, I'd say this has nothing to do with anyone at Bethesda or id, and probably just some fuck-up on the part of Youtube's AI that caused it to flag these particular channels in the last week or so. If that's the case, it's possible these channels may resurface in the near future, assuming these guys went to the trouble of disputing these copyright claims. 

Yeah, this is more than likely the case, despite all the conspiracy theories on r/Doom that insinuate that this is some kind of plot by Bethesda to “cancel” Mick after what happened.

 

Anywho, where would be a good place to contact Mick? I ask because there’s just this nagging question about this whole situation that refuses to go away, and I want to share some personal insights regarding the matter (insights I’m currently not all that comfortable sharing in public).

[MFG38]

2 hours ago, Man of Doom said:

where would be a good place to contact Mick?

 

Either Instagram or e-mail, I'd say.

[Vic Vos]

So no news were there at all? At this point I'm close to assuming that they are either releasing it with the DLC, or just want to bury this entire issue 6 feet under and move on.

[Nevander]

Typical TheirTube, terminating channels that do better jobs than official sources. Cancel culture needs to die already. It's damn oppressive.

[snapshot]

On 8/7/2020 at 12:56 PM, seed said:

stop reading or citing sources like fucking Reddit, that place is a cesspit with nothing of much value to offer anymore.

Nah, reddit's fine, that's where most game devs do AMAs, all it takes is to stop frequenting subs like r/doom and finding the right subs. I suggest you stop hating it just because it's cool to hate it :)

[seed]

Just now, sluggard said:

Nah, reddit's fine, that's where most game devs do AMAs, all it takes is to stop frequenting subs like r/doom and finding the right subs. I suggest you stop hating it just because it's cool to hate it :)

 

How about no.

[snapshot]

3 minutes ago, seed said:

How about no.

Your loss

Edited August 8, 2020 by sluggard

[seed]

2 minutes ago, sluggard said:

Your loss

 

Absolutely none.

[snapshot]

On 8/8/2020 at 4:32 PM, seed said:

Absolutely none.

Sure, keep telling yourself that, maybe it'll become true someday :)

Edited August 11, 2020 by sluggard

[D4NUK1]

Now i declare this a Reddit moment.

[snapshot]

26 minutes ago, jamondemarnatural said:

Now i declare this a Reddit moment.

Just making conversation lol, and now it's gone off-topic, Thanks.

Edited August 8, 2020 by sluggard

[Jayextee]

1 hour ago, Nevander said:

Cancel culture needs to die already. It's damn oppressive.

I would hardly call being denied unsanctioned free access to copyrighted material oppression, but hey. You do you I guess.

[Hellektronic]

What the hell happened in here? It looks like a crack house.

 

People defending Youtube over taking down videos and shit... you people disgust me.

Edited August 8, 2020 by Hellektronic

[seed]

49 minutes ago, Jayextee said:

I would hardly call being denied unsanctioned free access to copyrighted material oppression, but hey. You do you I guess.

 

Problem is, it may not be just music uploaded without permission, which is the worrying aspect of all this.

 

I doubt anyone is seriously complaining about stuff that was not meant to be there in the first place.

[Hellektronic]

54 minutes ago, seed said:

Problem is, it may not be just music uploaded without permission, which is the worrying aspect of all this.

 

And the funny thing is, I can go watch a copyrighted movie on Youtube right now... lol. Without paying for it. There's something wrong with the system if that doesn't get taken down first.

[seed]

2 minutes ago, Hellektronic said:

And the funny thing is, I can go watch a copyrighted movie on Youtube right now... lol. Without paying for it. There's something wrong with the system if that doesn't get taken down first.

 

The system's been broken for a long time, YT has not been good overall for over 7 years at least, ever since they made that major update to the Terms.

 

It also depends on whether the uploader had explicit permission to upload said content to begin with.