Is this the total canon for the life and times of Doomguy?

[LucidLocomotive]

Knee-Deep in the Dead

The Shores of Hell

Inferno

Thy Flesh Consumed

Sigil

 

Hell on Earth

No Rest for the Living

Master Levels
 

Evilution

The Plutonia Experiment 

 

Doom 64
Lost Levels

 

Doom

Doom Eternal

[dmslr]

22 minutes ago, LucidLocomotive said:

Knee-Deep in the Dead

The Shores of Hell

Inferno

Thy Flesh Consumed

Sigil

 

Hell on Earth

No Rest for the Living

Master Levels
 

Evilution

The Plutonia Experiment 

 

Doom 64
Lost Levels

 

Doom

Doom Eternal

Sigil is an unofficial continuation of the Ultimate Doom.

No Rest for the Living and Master Levels are just non-story addons.

Final Doom wads are more like 'fillers'; they maybe considered as canon but at the same time they are not the main games of the series.

Edited May 15, 2020 by dmslr

[P41R47]

from the official canon, you rounded it perfectly.

From what we all know, add this and you will have it even better.

 

After sigil: 

-no end in sight

-deathless

(i don't include double impact as it isn't starred by doomguy)

-every wad made for UD

 

After plutonia and before doom64:

-every doom 2, tnt, and plutonia wad ever made.

 

after doom 64 and before lost levels:

-every wad made for doom64 absolution and EX.

 

I suggest to add this because, if i remember right, doom 2016 made doomguy and interdimensional being who fought endless battles in infinite multiverses.

or something like that

[LucidLocomotive]

11 minutes ago, P41R47 said:

from the official canon, you rounded it perfectly.

From what we all know, add this and you will have it even better.

 

After sigil: 

-no end in sight

-deathless

(i don't include double impact as it isn't starred by doomguy)

-every wad made for UD

 

After plutonia and before doom64:

-every doom 2, tnt, and plutonia wad ever made.

 

after doom 64 and before lost levels:

-every wad made for doom64 absolution and EX.

 

I suggest to add this because, if i remember right, doom 2016 made doomguy and interdimensional being who fought endless battles in infinite multiverses.

or something like that

It would not make sense to have every Doom 2 wad after Plutonia and before Doom 64. Doomguy is still a normal human in Doom 64, with PTSD from Doom/Doom2/FinalDoom. It isn’t until after he decides to stay in Hell at the end of Doom 64 that he becomes the inter dimensional Doomslayer. 

[LucidLocomotive]

28 minutes ago, dmslr said:

Sigil is an unofficial continuation of the Ultimate Doom.

No Rest for the Living and Master Levels are just non-story addons.

Final Doom wads are more like 'fillers'; they maybe considered as canon but at the same time they are not the main games of the series.

I disagree about Final Doom, it was officially published by id software, with its own storyline. I definitely count that one. And the story manuals from Final Doom indicate that Doomguy has been having many nightmares about the demons ever since saving Earth in Doom II, so I assume the Master Levels are a collection of Doomguy’s dreams. The Final Doom manuals also say that there have been a few little “clean-up” operations on Earth after the Icon of Sin had been killed, and the backstory for No Rest for the Living basically says the exact same thing, so I assume that is just one of those smaller-scale cleanups. 

[TheNoob_Gamer]

1 hour ago, LucidLocomotive said:

Knee-Deep in the Dead

The Shores of Hell

Inferno

Thy Flesh Consumed

Sigil

 

Hell on Earth

No Rest for the Living

Master Levels
 

Evilution

The Plutonia Experiment 

 

Doom 64
Lost Levels

(Every pwads within reasons)

 

Doom

Doom Eternal

 

[DynamiteKaitorn]

Wait, where's DooM 3? Isn't that meant to be before DooM 1?

[LucidLocomotive]

6 minutes ago, TheNoob_Gamer said:

 

Yeah now that’s what I’m talking ‘bout!

[P41R47]

2 minutes ago, DynamiteKaitorn said:

Wait, where's DooM 3? Isn't that meant to be before DooM 1?

Reboot, for some, and not part of the same storyline

[LucidLocomotive]

3 minutes ago, DynamiteKaitorn said:

Wait, where's DooM 3? Isn't that meant to be before DooM 1?

No, not in any official capacity. Some fans have theorized that it could be, but officially speaking, even id software themselves said that Doom 3 is a remake or reimagining of the first game. So Doom 3 is not the same Doomguy as the other games. The games I listed above all follow the same main character

[P41R47]

19 minutes ago, TheNoob_Gamer said:

Doom 64
Lost Levels

(Every pwads within reasons)

 

12 minutes ago, LucidLocomotive said:

Yeah now that’s what I’m talking ‘bout!

I think that it makes sense, but also i always feel that for some reason, Doomguy, or ''us'', players, we  were dancing on and endless game controlled by who knows by, even before Doom 64.

The events of Doom 64 leads to the storyline of how Doomguys become to be know as the Doomslayer.
Canonically speaking, Doom 64 only names the events of the official games. The events of the oficial games might be seen as major events on the doom universe, knowledged by everyone, and the pwads might be seen as as minor events.

Thats why i arranged every reasonable pwad after their respective entries.
We as community make it official, as we kept Doom alive all along the time.

And choosing a ''definitive way to tell the story'' might come as somewhat impossible, because we continually make it move forward.
 

For me every pwad comes after the entry IWAD for what it was made.

[ZeMystic]

the TNT Truck better be canon or we riot

Edited May 16, 2020 by ZeMystic

[ZeroTheEro]

12 hours ago, DynamiteKaitorn said:

Wait, where's DooM 3? Isn't that meant to be before DooM 1?

Doom 3, Resurrection of Evil and The Lost Missions (by extension the on-rails shooter Doom Resurrection as well) is a part of their own timeline.

[Mystic 256]

i always personally thought of doom having multiple timelines/alternate universes

I don't think the games could fit in a single timeline

[LucidLocomotive]

1 hour ago, Mystic 256 said:

i always personally thought of doom having multiple timelines/alternate universes

I don't think the games could fit in a single timeline

Why not? The classic trilogy, doom 64, and the 2 newest games all do have a coherent timeline. Its only doom 3 that would require a differrnt timeline

[AtimZarr1]

3 hours ago, LucidLocomotive said:

Why not? The classic trilogy, doom 64, and the 2 newest games all do have a coherent timeline. Its only doom 3 that would require a differrnt timeline

 

The Classic games and 64 are able to fit nicely into one continuous timeline. They do form a "timeline" with the newer games, but it's a bit contradictory at first glance. Doomguy's time after 64 spent in Hell and Argent D'Nur makes things unclear, it's implied he's been fighting for hundreds or even thousands of years (the Slayer Testaments in 2016 mention "eons" of conflict with the Doom Slayer). Earth in Eternal is implied to have been invaded for the first time, there's no mention in any of the Codex entries that Earth suffered a demon invasion in the relatively recent past.

 

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This is an entry from 2016's lore regarding the establishment of the Mars base by the UAC:

 

"Despite the discovery of liquid water on Mars in the early 21st century, the colonization of Mars had little appeal beyond exploration for the next century. With the discovery of the Argent Fracture (a transdimensional stream of unrefined Argent plasma) in 2095, settling and mining Mars became both practical and essential to meet the vast energy demands of Earth... Through their diligent dedication to technological advancement and forward-thinking, an outpost was established in MTC 2096 to extract Argent plasma from the Fracture.

 

If Doom 2016 takes place in 2149 and the UAC built its first colony on Mars in 2096, that gives only 53 years between Doomguy's assignment to Mars in the first Doom game to the events of Doom 2016. That's a lot of WADs to go through in a short time. Hayden, chairman of the UAC and later leader of the ARC resistance on Earth in Eternal, is said to be "over 130 years old" by 2149, so he would definitely remember if Earth was already invaded once before, but he makes no mention of it.

 

Plus, there's this unused voiceline from Eternal:

 

"Stop your foolish war now and I will give you what you desire. I will send you back to your home. The Earth world in the seventh dimension. Before the time of the demons. You may live there again as before. No memory of all the suffering you have been through. All your loved ones will be there, waiting to embrace you again as if you have never left."

 

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So while it's true the classic and new games make a coherent timeline, compared to Doom 3 anyways, it's likely that Doomguy slipped across timelines when spending a bit too much time in Hell after Doom 64's ending.

 

Doom 3 exists on its own, mostly. That game does mention a "nameless Hero" that fought alongside a dying alien race, which could just be Doomguy's legend spilling over to other timelines. I actually made a post a while back about how Doom 3 could connect to the new/classic games' storyline in more detail, if anyone's interested in reading it:

 

 

[LucidLocomotive]

6 hours ago, AtimZarr1 said:

 

The Classic games and 64 are able to fit nicely into one continuous timeline. They do form a "timeline" with the newer games, but it's a bit contradictory at first glance. Doomguy's time after 64 spent in Hell and Argent D'Nur makes things unclear, it's implied he's been fighting for hundreds or even thousands of years (the Slayer Testaments in 2016 mention "eons" of conflict with the Doom Slayer). Earth in Eternal is implied to have been invaded for the first time, there's no mention in any of the Codex entries that Earth suffered a demon invasion in the relatively recent past.

 

---

 

This is an entry from 2016's lore regarding the establishment of the Mars base by the UAC:

 

"Despite the discovery of liquid water on Mars in the early 21st century, the colonization of Mars had little appeal beyond exploration for the next century. With the discovery of the Argent Fracture (a transdimensional stream of unrefined Argent plasma) in 2095, settling and mining Mars became both practical and essential to meet the vast energy demands of Earth... Through their diligent dedication to technological advancement and forward-thinking, an outpost was established in MTC 2096 to extract Argent plasma from the Fracture.

 

If Doom 2016 takes place in 2149 and the UAC built its first colony on Mars in 2096, that gives only 53 years between Doomguy's assignment to Mars in the first Doom game to the events of Doom 2016. That's a lot of WADs to go through in a short time. Hayden, chairman of the UAC and later leader of the ARC resistance on Earth in Eternal, is said to be "over 130 years old" by 2149, so he would definitely remember if Earth was already invaded once before, but he makes no mention of it.

 

Plus, there's this unused voiceline from Eternal:

 

"Stop your foolish war now and I will give you what you desire. I will send you back to your home. The Earth world in the seventh dimension. Before the time of the demons. You may live there again as before. No memory of all the suffering you have been through. All your loved ones will be there, waiting to embrace you again as if you have never left."

 

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So while it's true the classic and new games make a coherent timeline, compared to Doom 3 anyways, it's likely that Doomguy slipped across timelines when spending a bit too much time in Hell after Doom 64's ending.

 

Doom 3 exists on its own, mostly. That game does mention a "nameless Hero" that fought alongside a dying alien race, which could just be Doomguy's legend spilling over to other timelines. I actually made a post a while back about how Doom 3 could connect to the new/classic games' storyline in more detail, if anyone's interested in reading it:

 

 

Oh yeah I definitely agree that at some point during Doomslayer’s escapades in Hell, the UAC from a universe that is not his native one found his sarcophagus. I thought that was pretty much canon though, and I thought the guy I replied to was saying that the games from UD to DE couldnt all fit together in one chronology

[P41R47]

On 5/16/2020 at 3:33 PM, LucidLocomotive said:

...I thought the guy I replied to was saying that the games from UD to DE couldnt all fit together in one chronology

 

Well, he already said that UD to DE forms a ''timeline'', but  after D64 it gets a little tricky at best:

 

On 5/16/2020 at 9:13 AM, AtimZarr1 said:

The Classic games and 64 are able to fit nicely into one continuous timeline. They do form a "timeline" with the newer games, but it's a bit contradictory at first glance. Doomguy's time after 64 spent in Hell and Argent D'Nur makes things unclear, it's implied he's been fighting for hundreds or even thousands of years (the Slayer Testaments in 2016 mention "eons" of conflict with the Doom Slayer). Earth in Eternal is implied to have been invaded for the first time, there's no mention in any of the Codex entries that Earth suffered a demon invasion in the relatively recent past.

 

That explanation is suggesting this:

 

Mystic 256, said:

''i always personally thought of doom having multiple timelines/alternate universes

I don't think the games could fit in a single timeline.''

 

Only thing i would add is that Hell its not a place, more like a dimensional layer, where time, maybe, pass at a different pace.
Hence the ''aeons of battles''. But this is just a reference to the demential amount of wads out there.

Edited May 21, 2020 by P41R47

[LucidLocomotive]

25 minutes ago, P41R47 said:

 

Well, he already said that UD to DE forms a ''timeline'', but  after D64 it gets a little tricky at best:

 

 

That explanation is suggesting this:

 

Mystic 256, said:

''i always personally thought of doom having multiple timelines/alternate universes

I don't think the games could fit in a single timeline.''

 

Only thing i would add is that Hell its not a place, more like a dimensional layer, where time, maybe, pass at a different pace.
Hence the ''aeons of battles''. But this is just a reference to the demential amount of wads out there.

yeah I agree with you. i just thought he meant multiple universes as in like how the toby maguire spiderman movies are in a different universe from the new spiderman movies. with a different doomguy and all that. and yes I agree about the wads, but I believe the multitude of community doom ii wads that exist, if they are canon, take place between doom 64 and doom 2016

[Chip]

On 5/15/2020 at 11:17 AM, LucidLocomotive said:

It would not make sense to have every Doom 2 wad after Plutonia and before Doom 64. Doomguy is still a normal human in Doom 64, with PTSD from Doom/Doom2/FinalDoom. It isn’t until after he decides to stay in Hell at the end of Doom 64 that he becomes the inter dimensional Doomslayer. 

I don't get why people insist that DOOM 64 comes after Final DOOM. Chronologically, yes, but the manual doesn't even mention Final DOOM, these ideas were just made up by fans of the series. who knows, maybe DOOMguy was cloned and his clone is in Final DOOM.

[LucidLocomotive]

40 minutes ago, LiT_gam3r said:

I don't get why people insist that DOOM 64 comes after Final DOOM. Chronologically, yes, but the manual doesn't even mention Final DOOM, these ideas were just made up by fans of the series. who knows, maybe DOOMguy was cloned and his clone is in Final DOOM.

i thought it was just a given since final Doom is after Doom II and then Doom 64 is vague enough for it to work just fine. you are a hardened, traumatized lone survivor of a number of hell related events, and now the first one turns out to be incomplete. thats pretty much it 

[Gerardo194]

Who said the all Doom games can't fit into one timeline?? 

 

The Doom timeline so far:

• Doom/UD/SIGIL
• Doom2/NRFTL
• Final Doom (Doom2 expansions) 
• Doom 64

Here the Doomguy remained in Hell, this is what Hell wanted since Doom 1: contain you in Hell, but something happened to him that his decision couldn't be accomplished:

• Quake 3

Doomguy escaped the eternal arena by killing the Vadrigar, now Doomguy is free, he decides to go back home to see if things are still good on Earth but he ended up traveling throughout many dimensions :

• Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3

Doomguy was a skater in his life, he enjoyed this place but that wasn't his home, there were no demons so he kept on traveling :

• Doom 3
• Doom RPG

Doomguy reached these two different dimensions to stop the demons there which was a success but that wasn't his home yet, more dimensions arrived:

• Every single wad is canon

Here Doomguy has and had and will experience many different realms created by a immense community from the Doom cosmos, until the Supreme Rulers of Doom from the id sent him to another dimension where he hadn't reached so far in Argent D' Nur where a new story will be written... Again:

• Doom 2016
• Doom Eternal

I wonder how next Doom game will be named: Doom... Immortal, maybe?? 

 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Gerardo194