Can anyone explain the timeline here?

[geekmarine]

Okay, so I am loving Doom Eternal, and as part of that, I'm really loving all the lore.  However, I have to admit I am incredibly confused about the timeline here.  So... First few Doom games happen, then Doom Slayer finds himself in Hell.  Then he meets and joins the sentinels.  And they fight demons, and meet the maykr, the maykr discover demon energy, and secretly send the sentinels to help conquer planets so that the souls of the dead can be harvested .  

 

I guess what confused me is that the Doom Slayer seems mortal but then it seems like her was predicted long ago

[Murdoch]

24 minutes ago, geekmarine said:

Okay, so I am loving Doom Eternal, and as part of that, I'm really loving all the lore.  However, I have to admit I am incredibly confused about the timeline here.  So... First few Doom games happen, then Doom Slayer finds himself in Hell.  Then he meets and joins the sentinels.  And they fight demons, and meet the maykr, the maykr discover demon energy, and secretly send the sentinels to help conquer planets so that the souls of the dead can be harvested .  

 

I guess what confused me is that the Doom Slayer seems mortal but then it seems like her was predicted long ago

 

My own hypothesis is that time works differently in Hell. Physical beings that cross over can die by physical trauma, but they do not seem to age. They also do not seem to require nourishment. Doom Slayer gets spat out of Hell at some indeterminate point post Doom 64's events, he hooks up with the Sentinels, and gets his power upgrade. Argent is developed during this timeframe as the Khan Maykr gets cosy with Hell. The sentinels say "yeah nah" and try to sort it out, and the Slayer is trapped in Hell.

 

More time passes. Hayden, seemingly the fallen Samur Maykr cursed to be human and banished to an alternate universe Earth, gets involved with the UAC and discovers Argent on Mars. Either thinking he could genuinely help Earth with it, or as part of an elaborate plan to draw the Maykr out, taps into it. He also pulls the Slayer out of Hell as part of his plan, either the stop Olivia once she started going nuts plan or the "I hate the Maykrs, so I will point the Slayer at them and press fire" plan. Doom 2016 begins.

 

From the beginning of Doom 1 to the end of Doom Eternal, centuries may have passed even though he is bought into alternate Earth universe at a similar time as to the one he left at the end of Doom 64.

[AtimZarr1]

I personally think Doomguy stopped aging once subjected to the Slayer Ritual by the Divinity Machine. When confronting the Khan Maykr, she calls him "once a mortal", implying he's become immortal but wasn't so when she first knew him. In some unused lines, the Khan Maykr also claims that the Slayer's powers come from her blood, which may have had an effect on his mortality/aging.

[geekmarine]

Like here's a good example of something that seems to get kinda confused with the timeline.  The arctic base was apparently built thousands (or was it millions) of years ago, seemingly powered by Maykr and Sentinel technology.  However, the Maykr didn't know about the demons until the Slayer told them.

 

I guess the base could have originally simply been built by the demons themselves, and only later conquered by the Maykr and the Sentinels, but yeah, there's the kind of stuff I get mixed up with.

[AtimZarr1]

4 hours ago, geekmarine said:

Like here's a good example of something that seems to get kinda confused with the timeline.  The arctic base was apparently built thousands (or was it millions) of years ago, seemingly powered by Maykr and Sentinel technology.  However, the Maykr didn't know about the demons until the Slayer told them.

 

I guess the base could have originally simply been built by the demons themselves, and only later conquered by the Maykr and the Sentinels, but yeah, there's the kind of stuff I get mixed up with.

 

The Cultist Base was built atop an unnamed Argenta settlement. The Maykrs and Sentinels have nothing to do with the current base - other than that it is run by Deag Ranak. It was likely built by the UAC. The Maykrs and Sentinels were involved in the ancient settlement however.

 

"Built over the ruins of an ancient Argenta settlement, the Cultist facility has been designed as both a gothic monument to the ancient architecture and a state-of-the art science facility. Tablets and memory banks found at the settlement indicate that the Order of the Deag discovered Earth millennia ago and found it to be populated with powerful, primeval beasts."

 

"The UAC's polar cultist facility is built around the ruins of an ancient Argenta settlement constructed over 60 million years ago, during Argent D'Nur's extraterrestrial expansion."

[oCrapaCreeper]

Doomguy/slayer lost his own time line a long time ago after he chose to stay in hell in the ending of Doom 64. He ended up in Argent d’ Nur and by extension an alternate universe from his own supposedly due to hell time fuckery; and went to warn the civilization about the incoming demon invasion.

 

He went up in ranks to Night Sentinal leader as the only guy who knows how to fight the demons, and was given power by the Seraphim that presumably also made him immortal in the sense he can’t age. It was after the Sentinels lost to the demons and perished that the Doom Slayer tormented hell out of rage; was given the Praetor suit, etc but we don't know how long that lasted until the Priests sealed him away, or how long he was sealed away until the UAC of a different Earth retrieved him. Everything Sentinel related looks very ancient now, so you can at least conclude he is very very old and these events are spread out within the universe the game takes place in.

Edited May 26, 2020 by oCrapaCreeper

[Quasar]

22 hours ago, AtimZarr1 said:

powerful, primeval beasts

A simple explanation is that the Sentinels didn't yet know what demons were, thus this interpretation. They describe the Agaddon Hunter as being a creature native to Earth, but it's very clearly demonic in nature. How it got there, I suppose we're left to imagine. Apparently Hell had made in-roads on other worlds for a long time. Likewise the very demonic gargoyle is called a native of Argent D'Nur.

Edited May 25, 2020 by Quasar

[Vic Vos]

Can someone clarify if Doomguy was fighting demons for apparently eons before the upgrade or after?

[AtimZarr1]

11 minutes ago, Vic Vos said:

Can someone clarify if Doomguy was fighting demons for apparently eons before the upgrade or after?

 

Likely after.

 

Before the upgrade is an unknown amount of time. The time spent after Doom 64 is completely unknown. We do know in the Sentinel lore, King Novik was in rule when Doomguy was found on Argent D'Nur and was still in rule when the Titan attacked Taras Nabad (the day Doomguy would be upgraded). If Doomguy aged normally before the Slayer transformation, the time before the upgrade could've only been some years at most, which is evidenced by one line:

 

"The passing of years and innumerous battles with the devils indentured the Stranger to Argenta's mightiest warriors, and no longer did they condescend to him as a new-blooded conscript, for to them he had become a brother-in-arms forged in war. An ally, and a weapon."

 

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After the Slayer upgrade, he spent more "years" fighting for the Sentinels before the fall of Argent D'Nur:

 

"For years he marched with the Night Sentinels through the fires of the demon lands, and every return to our homeworld found much changed in Argent D'Nur."

 

"For years the Civil War raged and took its toll on the soldiers as their armor laid stained with the blood of their brothers on a cursed battlefield."

 

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After that, he would spend "eons" battling demons in Hell as suggested in the Slayer Testaments:

 

"The scribes carved his name deep in the tablets of Hell across eons, and each battle etched terror in the hearts of the demons."

[oCrapaCreeper]

17 hours ago, Quasar said:

A simple explanation is that the Sentinels didn't yet know what demons were, thus this interpretation. They describe the Agaddon Hunter as being a creature native to Earth, but it's very clearly demonic in nature. How it got there, I suppose we're left to imagine. Apparently Hell had made in-roads on other worlds for a long time. Likewise the very demonic gargoyle is called a native of Argent D'Nur.

They didn’t know they were demons for sure for sure. The context of each lore page and who it was written by is important in this game.
 

The 2nd priest’s intro for the Doom Hunter goes: “The Great Agaddon hunters from the Telos realm... created to hunt only the slayer his knight Sentinels during the unholy crusades.” 
 

It most likely did not come from earth, and the slayer has been fighting it for likely a long time in the past before the priest beefed them up in the Doom Hunter Base.

Edited May 26, 2020 by oCrapaCreeper

[igg]

Doom 2016s lore indicated hell has multiple touch points with time: "And in his terrible rancor between worlds and through time".

 

Maybe hell decided to place a factory in ancient Earth to hunt the Doom Slayer in current hell?

[Vic Vos]

Judging by for how long the Agaddon Hunters were buried in the current Earth's Arctic, I guess that the time between Doomguy doing stuff among the Night Sentinels and Doom Eternal spans for at least millions of years. And Doomguy was apparently travelling through time and space, AND hell's time flow might be screwy.

This is all so confusing.

[Super Mighty G]

Doom > Doom II > Doom 64 > Doom (2016) > Doom Eternal

 

Final Doom is in there somewhere and Doom 3 is unrelated to the Doomslayer timeline. As for inconsistencies, the flow of time is convoluted in Lordran Hell. 

[Vic Vos]

5 hours ago, Super Mighty G said:

Final Doom is in there somewhere

Was Final Doom even acknowledged in any way in the new timeline?

[Zemini]

In order to fit all games into a singular timeline with the least amount of continuity breaks we have to consider that the Doom Slayer is a time traveler stuck in a loop.  At some point after Doom 64 he was teleported into the ancient past and joined the Night Sentinels.  From there Doom 2016 and Eternal Play out.

 

Doom 3 -> Doom1/2 -> Doom 64 -> Timeloop -> Doom 2016 -> Doom Eternal

 

So that means his doppelganger is battling demons somewhere on Phobos/Deimos/Earth between the events of the the new Doom games.

 

EDIT:  Doom 3 was the Doom Marines first encounter with the forces of hell.  UAC covered it up and the Doomguy was perhaps smeared and sent to Phobos as punishment.

 

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Zemini