Is the Doom Slayer doomed?

[igg]

How much of the marine from Doom 1 + 2 is left?

• I recently noticed the ghostly/demon voices which you can hear in the ingame menu (map, suit, ...). I suppose they are caused by his new nature given by the Maykrs divinity machines.
• His spaceship is powered by the (red) power of the demonic Crucible.
• He wields a sword powered by Argent energy (dead souls).
• He constantly infuses himself magic power sources (runes, crystals).

 

Will he rip himself apart when he notices what he had become? Maybe he will do this in favor of a new Doomguy. Since Doom has it's own multiverse now there should be an almost infinite resource of doppelgangers.

[AtimZarr1]

45 minutes ago, igg said:

I recently noticed the ghostly/demon voices which you can hear in the ingame menu (map, suit, ...).

 

I didn't even know that was a thing. Do you have a video source? Sounds interesting.

 

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In 2016, Hayden points out that Argent Energy (from one of the caches), "agrees" with the Slayer when being absorbed by the Praetor Suit. Otherwise, there does not seem to be any effect on the Slayer's well-being as a result of all this energy exposure. I don't think he's unaware of what kind of person he's become, I think he likely doesn't care. The Slayer is looking only to hunt down demons, being introspective regarding his identity or health isn't part of his nature. The old "Doomguy" personality is still there in terms of his focused willpower and skill in armed combat but he had been broken down by the time of Doom 64. His speech mannerisms around the Night Sentinels who discovered him after showcased him as rambling and scarred, but his prowess in battle was as strong as it ever was. In order to keep fighting, Doomguy's old self was chipped away and all that remained was his fighting spirit.

 

He uses all these dubious magical sources because it helps him in the fight - the ship's new power source is necessary to continue operations, the Crucible is necessary to slay the Icon of Sin, and additional powers are necessary to make him even stronger. Any normal person would've likely broken under this surmounting pressure, but countless years of battling hellspawn and the blessing of the Divinity Machine, has made the Slayer capable of handling those mental and/or emotional burdens. He likely views these energies and powers as a means to the demons' end, another weapon that can be used like a shotgun or a berserk pack.

 

But the Doom Slayer isn't a complete killing machine either. The "Doomguy" personality has always held a compassion to others - refusing to fire upon civilians, a near and dear pet Daisy, rescuing the people of Earth, etc which has remained even after the Slayer ritual transformation. Destroying the Argent Filters to prevent a worse fate for humanity, saving a backup of VEGA from complete destruction, and saving the people of Earth once more. The Slayer may have become a relentless and destructive entity, but he still cares and fights for the sake of others (example: the Slayer's body language response when King Novik tells him that his people aren't his to save anymore). Doom Eternal's Earth isn't even the Doom Slayer's true home, yet he's willing to destroy Urdak just to save those people anyways. It's basically the same action as attacking his superior officer in his Classic backstory, just under a different (and more dramatic) dressing. The context and tools have changed but his motivations and goals have remained the same.

 

The Classic marine, defined by a compassion to others and an unbreakable willpower in combat, is very much still there.

[D4NUK1]

You just closed the thread @AtimZarr this was a great response.

But to expand, remeber that aliens power like the Khan Mayker refers the DoomSlayer as "how are you, just a Human". They don't see him as all powerful because they share the same weapons and armour. But still the Doom Slayer destroyed Khan Mayker ass, because he will is a sword againts all evil!

[Hellektronic]

11 hours ago, AtimZarr1 said:

But the Doom Slayer isn't a complete killing machine either. The "Doomguy" personality has always held a compassion to others - refusing to fire upon civilians, a near and dear pet Daisy, rescuing the people of Earth, etc which has remained even after the Slayer ritual transformation. Destroying the Argent Filters to prevent a worse fate for humanity, saving a backup of VEGA from complete destruction, and saving the people of Earth once more. The Slayer may have become a relentless and destructive entity, but he still cares and fights for the sake of others (example: the Slayer's body language response when King Novik tells him that his people aren't his to save anymore). Doom Eternal's Earth isn't even the Doom Slayer's true home, yet he's willing to destroy Urdak just to save those people anyways. It's basically the same action as attacking his superior officer in his Classic backstory, just under a different (and more dramatic) dressing. The context and tools have changed but his motivations and goals have remained the same.

 

The Classic marine, defined by a compassion to others and an unbreakable willpower in combat, is very much still there.

 

Wow, that was a pretty deep analysis sir.

 

I think he realizes what he's become... but like any good warrior, that's secondary to his mission. He came out of the Doom incident in the original games insane, possibly half-possessed and imbued by the power of evil to begin with, but his willpower was unbreakable, so he was not demonic as a result. Almost like he... harmonized with a demonic spirit or something?

 

Whether or not 2016 and Eternal even exists in the same canon as the original 2, we know that's a consistent theme- he emerged on Sentinel Prime insane all the same, heavily injured (probably beyond mortal limits), and ranting about killing things violently. I think he was, in a way, empowered by Hell even before the divinity machine.

 

What makes me wonder though... is what happened to other humans who entered the divinity machine? Did they die? Become possessed? Maybe both? That detail is probably the murkiest element of the whole story so far. What is the makyr divinity machine? What did it do to him... that hadn't already been done? And why has no other human ever survived this procedure that we know of?

 

 

 

 

[D4NUK1]

@Hellektronic it's pretty much cannon with the flashbacks in Doom Eternal.

[Hellektronic]

1 hour ago, jamondemarnatural said:

@Hellektronic it's pretty much cannon with the flashbacks in Doom Eternal.

 

Yes, but I don't think anybody really knows how the two universes relate, other than existing in the same multiverse. Is this the same Doomguy? Or is it like a parallel dimension version of the Doomguy? If there are two Earths, there can definitely be two Doomguys as well, no?

 

It's honestly hard to say for absolutely sure that we're talking the same guy... considering this is a video game, and 2016 was largely just a reboot of the series, and Eternal is like an alternate version of Doom 2, did the events of the original Doom even happen? It's pretty ridiculously vague about any of it. For all we really know Quake, Quake 2, Doom, and the new Dooms could all exist within the same "multiverse"... but each universe is still like a branch of a video game franchise unconnected to the rest except when convenient like Quake 3, lol.

 

Edit: Sorry, I should explain that more. Apparently, there's an unused voice-line in Eternal from the Khan Makyr mentioning multiple Earths, and that the slayer is from a different dimension than the one in 2016/Eternal. What that means? I honestly don't know, lol. Does it mean it's the same Doomguy? Or are there multiple Doomguys? It's like talking time-travel, it just gets insanely confusing.

Edited August 17, 2020 by Hellektronic

[igg]

30 minutes ago, Hellektronic said:

 

Yes, but I don't think anybody really knows how the two universes relate, other than existing in the same multiverse. Is this the same Doomguy? Or is it like a parallel dimension version of the Doomguy? If there are two Earths, there can definitely be two Doomguys as well, no?

 

In the unused voice lines the Khan Maykr explains it. The Slayers home earth is in the 7th dimension. The current events are in another. These dimensions seem connected only by hell and urdak.

[Hellektronic]

17 minutes ago, igg said:

In the unused voice lines the Khan Maykr explains it. The Slayers home earth is in the 7th dimension. The current events are in another. These dimensions seem connected only by hell and urdak.

 

Well, I mean... there's an other-dimensional Mars also, with clear connections to a history with Hell before the events of 2016. So theoretically, wouldn't that suggest there could also be multiple Argent D'Nurs? Multiple Hells, even? Makes my head spin if I think about the possibilities too much.

 

Because if you look at it from my perspective, I see Urdak, Hell, and realspace as 3 different dimensions already... possibly even multiple dimensions in themselves. Then we get around to realspace having parallel versions of itself that are mostly similar like the Twilight Zone, who's to say where it starts or ends? Lol. There could be more than 26 dimensions of Earth, each with a unique slayer, Urdak, and Hell... it's honestly hard to say.