Whatever happened to dwango9.wad

[Doom64hunter]

19 minutes ago, hrr1000 said:

 

I don't think it's BLUDBATH by Doominator since the readme file points at the wad being created in 1994 https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/deathmatch/a-c/bludba

That is not the same wad found in allwads.7z. There exist multiple files with this name. The BLUDBATH.WAD in question includes sprites from Duke 3D and sounds from Quake, dating it to at the earliest 1996.

[hrr1000]

Just now, Doom64hunter said:

That is not the same wad found in allwads.7z. There exist multiple files with this name. The BLUDBATH.WAD in question includes sprites from Duke 3D and sounds from Quake, dating it to at the earliest 1996.

whoops i apologize

[Doom64hunter]

8 hours ago, Doomkid said:

There's no solid proof one way or the other - but this is my current working theory. HDRambo has helped in this search as much as he can by giving us access to all of these old wads, so the only hope of finally putting a pin in this seems to be getting in touch Rockett or another Dwango alum known to be associated with that crew.

The ENDOOM screen of BLUDBATH.WAD also lists "Rockett", as well as "VoYaGeR7", "Magic", "Death Mage" and "SLiCK" as authors of the compilation. Maybe they may also know if this compilation started as DWANGO9.

 

The correct version of BLUDBATH.WAD can also be found here, along with automap images: https://www.wad-archive.com/wad/71d08cd530906a76b45e5f200f91f1adce4a61e4

 

The only interesting thing I could find out about this pack is that Map 13 is an edited version of TOWNHOUS.WAD originally found here: http://www.afternight.com/etc/doom/

 

[Diabolución]

On 1/9/2021 at 9:34 PM, WadArchive said:

query

 

Interesting. Just by curiosity: do these hashes yield results?
 

87fa6d29defcdf2a1bb3a94e0b43d77a9184223f
dfac39c16093f4ccb13a825690e7b97becc11191

c96312af87efa5064f14577edeaaab62878179b4
e2a8d6087dba7d4415ede636699eda07aa94599d

4e922f77e3bbacbb745a55632eaca0a7c2b8bfd6
a94d13322010e0b8bf8fd18e58770746ad7d9780

 

[Shockwav3]

Probably it's worth checking for dupes of map01 from dwango!.wad as well ... no idea how, but it completely passed me by that it also used the wolf6 texture in question. It's also another Map01 modification I'm not familiar with (not that I could possibly remember every Map01 mod I ever played).
See: https://i.imgur.com/roFBapt.png

[Wadmodder Shalton]

I've been trying to do something similar to the then to be solved mystery of DWANGO's MIDI music by attempting to find the original Single-Level PWAD sources used by many compilation MegaWADs released between 1994 to 1996 (maybe even 1997 & 1998) for the registered version of DOOM, The Ultimate DOOM & DOOM II.

 

Among these included many compilation Single Episode & Two Episode replacements (E13.WAD, DMDOOMED.WAD, NEWHITSC.WAD, EPISODEX.WAD & FSW4.WAD to name a few), Mr. Smiley Head Safari, the WADPAK series, the EPI#BEST series of PWADs, Heroes 1 & 2, the RALPH series of PWADs, the DMATCH series of PWADs, the DOOMPL series of PWADs, Nathan Lineback's MEGAWAD.WAD, NEWDOOM.WAD, the NEWWAD series of PWADs among others.

 

Most of these I've sourced from old Shovelware CD-ROMs, the idgames archive, Internet Archive's DOOM Level CD Collection, or Wad-Archive (using both the search feature and the Discs category before Wad-Archive removed the Discs category, most likely due to copyright worries for the latter feature).

 

If your able to identify the original Single-Level PWAD sources used to create these compilation MegaWADs released between 1994 to 1996 (maybe even 1997 & 1998), let me know about this.

Edited January 13, 2021 by Wadmodder RiderPùdu

[Doomkid]

On 1/13/2021 at 7:38 AM, Shockwav3 said:

Probably it's worth checking for dupes of map01 from dwango!.wad as well ... no idea how, but it completely passed me by that it also used the wolf6 texture in question. It's also another Map01 modification I'm not familiar with (not that I could possibly remember every Map01 mod I ever played).
See: https://i.imgur.com/roFBapt.png

I felt like such a goof when I really started perusing these wads a day after uploading the video.. You’re not alone, I totally missed it until booting DWANGO! for about the 4th time..

Edited January 16, 2021 by Doomkid

[Doom64hunter]

On 1/12/2021 at 9:38 PM, Shockwav3 said:

Probably it's worth checking for dupes of map01 from dwango!.wad as well ... no idea how, but it completely passed me by that it also used the wolf6 texture in question. It's also another Map01 modification I'm not familiar with (not that I could possibly remember every Map01 mod I ever played).
See: https://i.imgur.com/roFBapt.png

I ran a grep search of the hex string of SECTORS.LMP and VERTEXES.LMP of that map over all the wads, and couldn't find any duplicates in the allwads zip.

 

Wherever that map came from, it is not part of any other compilation wad in the archive -- at least not in unaltered form.

Edited January 19, 2021 by Doom64hunter

[Doomkid]

Just to clarify Doom64hunter, did you only check it against the other wads in AllWads, or have you checked it against wad-archive as well? (Just checking so there's no pointless double-effort going on)

[Doom64hunter]

4 hours ago, Doomkid said:

Just to clarify Doom64hunter, did you only check it against the other wads in AllWads, or have you checked it against wad-archive as well? (Just checking so there's no pointless double-effort going on)

Only in allwads.zip, I don't have the files from wad-archive downloaded locally right now.

[Wadmodder Shalton]

Just a while ago I made a Lost Media Wiki forum post regarding DWANGO9.WAD, but I have yet to receive any comments.

 

Here's a link to the forum post in general:

https://forums.lostmediawiki.com/thread/6231/dwango9-lost-doom-deathmatch-compilation

[dmage]

BLUDBATH was a bit of a compilation wad, kind of a "fan" DWANGO wad.  I was the one who ripped the sprites from the Strife Demo for it, as well as created the modified "Little Black Box" level 11.  I can't tell you much more about it than that, Olympus (who was a moderator IIRC in the Houston DWANGO server) would be the one with the info.

 

As a side note, there was another popular BBS system that the Houston players used besides the official DWANGO one.  A lot of the wads were dumped there, and I believe it was run by Olympus.

 

If there was a DWANGO9, and if I had it, it would be on a zip disk, along with a wad I've been looking for - dmage32a.  A compilation I made (only a couple levels in that were actually mine.)  I know the zip disk had it.

 

However, the bad news.  My storage locker was broken into it, and many things from it were stolen.  Including, it appears, the zip disks in question.  So my last chance of recovery is gone.  Sorry.  If anyone can find information on the BBS system, that would be where I would suggest.

Edited March 4, 2021 by dmage

[Doomkid]

Very interesting - thank you for the potential lead!

[Margaret Thatcher]

Good idea, Reel. Now we just need someone willing to do such a gargantuan task.

 

Anyone here an accountant?

 

Good idea. I'm thinking about making a page for it on the Doom Wiki.

 

Page uploaded. Find it here:https://doomwiki.org/wiki/DWANGO9

[Doomkid]

Awesome to see that Dwango9 has a page now!

 

Just to clarify, the fake Dwango9 is 100% known to be made by Da_Maniac, there's no guesswork there, the old release thread still exists on the ZDaemon forums. I guess I should make a quick edit.

[tuturbo1991]

By using a hash function just like WadArchive did we are looking for the exact same LUMP; one different bit in there will generate a completly different output. Do you guys think it is possible to scrap the lumps and use a image similiarity approach? I didn't take part on DWANGO history back in the day so I don't now about the conventions of images used as logos and stuff. I'm bumping the idea for this method of searching because I still hope for the WAD to be out there in the internet.

[dmage]

The oldest CD backups I have are from 1999, which is after my time on DWANGO.  It looks like I did search for the DWANGO wads to hang on to.  My 1999 backup has DWANGO 1-12, minus 3 and 9.  A backup from 2000 has a wad that claims to be DWANGO3.WAD (but still no 9) but given that it was downloaded later from a web site (and doesn't start on a Lev01 clone, that's the second level) I have a pretty strong feeling it's a fake.  I'm going to go ahead and include it here anyway, maybe someone else knows a better origin for it.  Again, this was downloaded from the internet at some point between 1999 and 2000, not from the official DWANGO BBS (or from the other BBS), and I'm pretty sure it's fake.

dwango3.zip

Edited March 12, 2021 by dmage

[Wadmodder Shalton]

I wonder if anyone is able to contact someone who formerly worked at DWANGO (it can't be the one that's still active in Japan) if they have a copy of the lost "Real" DWANGO9.WAD.

[Ineedakey]

On 3/4/2021 at 11:55 PM, Reelvonic said:

aight i know its hopeless, but anything doom related gives me joy in life. so ima just search for it using my average browsing skills.

 

im using duck duck go with a search range of 1993 to 2010

 

edit: nevermind to much work

i tried doing the time period search with google, did not work. All i found was japanese book stuff and general mentions of dwango. Intresting thing about that search, when i searched up dwango 9 Obituary and The artifact show up for some reason. I don't really know why.

[Ineedakey]

On 3/9/2021 at 6:10 AM, Reelvonic said:

im currently downloading torrents from torrenting sites that mention doom wads n stuff, prbly usless but screw it 

did you get any results?

[Ineedakey]

On 1/9/2021 at 3:28 PM, hrr1000 said:

Hi guys. I have watched @Doomkid 's video and i've been trying to hunt down something.

 

I've been searching for websites/message boards messages regarding dwango9.

 

I have found some threads in russian by digging trough google groups that seem to mention the wad

 

1) https://groups.google.com/g/relcom.games/c/M1h3WZ2PMWE/m/n6DrSuWyzg0J

 

2)https://groups.google.com/g/fido7.ru.game.doom/c/mwOjujVQXjU/m/OoNgXmYzsTQJ

 

I can't really use this tool much but maybe you can gather something from it :)

 

EDIT:

Search query https://groups.google.com/search/conversations?q=DWANGO9

used google translate; talking about the missing dwango 3 & 9 files

message 1:
Great Doomers! Here I recently came across wads from DWANGO on their ftp. Duc, just no there they have dwango3, dwango9. And the last one is dwango12. Maybe someone I heard about them, and if there is, then they will share it with the people? If anything, then I can throw the available ones into the confu

Message 2:

Hello Mityay!

September 14th, Tuesday around 17:30 Mityay -> All:

M> Everyone here is praised for deathmatch ypovni from a subject. What are they

The usual arrangement of different DM-cards in one big wad. The first wads (~ before
dwango5.wad) are rather creepy: they often used maps
just taken from standard Dooms (both the first and the second) without
any changes (even with monsters). Beginning with dwango5.wad, they already began to
compose maps specially drawn for DM by various authors. All
cards are original. And be sure to have a map a la map01. :) (oh, what they
just don't do with her)
There is a lot of new music, as well as the author's graphics. Nice, in general, cards.

M> and where in the Internet it is possible to download?
There used to be ftp.dwango.com . But already for some year he has not answered. :(
Even before it was closed, I managed to pull off all the dwango ##. Wad that were there. But
among them some numbers are missing: dwango3.wad, dwango9.wad. Maybe there are
still dwango13.wad and higher. I don’t know. y me - dwango12.wad.

Try to download through the search engines. Perhaps you will find something.
(at least let's get it).

M> And then I play only against bots => they should not be too complicated,
M> otherwise I'll win right away.

Try again ftp.cdrom.com/pub/doom/levels/doom2/deathmatch/megawad/gothic2.zip .
There are also pyl maps. Finally cool wad too.

Bye, Mityay.

Edited April 11, 2021 by Ineedakey
to add the messages

[Ineedakey]

I think Dwango! is Dwango 9. 

1. The first map has Dwango 9 on it

2. Map 7 and onwards are completely different maps

i might be completely wrong and just jumping the ship because im dumb

[Doomkid]

I think only Map01 and Map05 from DWANGO!.wad come from the original Dwango9 since they are labeled as such.

 

The whole of DWANGO!.wad is just a compilation of previous Dwango maps:

 

Map02 is Dwango5 Map01

Map03 is Dwango6 Map01

Map04 is Dwango10 Map01 (not to be confused with DwangoX.wad)

Map06 is Dwango7 Map01

Map07 is Dwango6 Map18

Map08 is Dwango4 Map08

Map09 is Dwango10 Map08

Map10 is Dwango5 Map18

Map11 is Dwango7 Map06

Map12 is Dwango7 Map02

Map13 is Dwango10 Map11

Map14 is Dwango10 Map06

Map15 is called "Warzone" (but I can't find the original source)

 

I'm thankful that we at least have 2 maps from the original Dwango9, but I have a strong feeling at this point they're the only ones we'll ever see - it's only by sheer luck that they even survived for all these years, really.

[omx32x]

11 hours ago, Doomkid said:

I think only Map01 and Map05 from DWANGO!.wad come from the original Dwango9 since they are labeled as such.

 

The whole of DWANGO!.wad is just a compilation of previous Dwango maps:

 

Map02 is Dwango5 Map01

Map03 is Dwango6 Map01

Map04 is Dwango10 Map01 (not to be confused with DwangoX.wad)

Map06 is Dwango7 Map01

Map07 is Dwango6 Map18

Map08 is Dwango4 Map08

Map09 is Dwango10 Map08

Map10 is Dwango5 Map18

Map11 is Dwango7 Map06

Map12 is Dwango7 Map02

Map13 is Dwango10 Map11

Map14 is Dwango10 Map06

Map15 is called "Warzone" (but I can't find the original source)

 

I'm thankful that we at least have 2 maps from the original Dwango9, but I have a strong feeling at this point they're the only ones we'll ever see - it's only by sheer luck that they even survived for all these years, really.

they are probaly sitting on some beigebox from the 90s collecting dust

well i hope one day we see it to the full extend but i dont think we will any time soon

[Wadmodder Shalton]

Apparently, Floppy/Zip Disc & CD-R backups were rarely a thing in the mid-1990s, so it's unlikely that DWANGO9 might exist on only Floppy/Zip Disc or CD-R backups.

[Wadmodder Shalton]

Started to take a screenshot of the PWAD archive of the official DWANGO PWADs available on Doomshack including their modified dates (or rather their compile dates) in 7-Zip. Given the compile dates of the DWANGO8 & DWANGO10 PWADs being respectively March & August of 1996, my guess & theory is that the supposed real DWANGO9 PWAD would've been compiled in either April, May, June or July of 1996.

 

Can anyone here mention my theory on the DWANGO9 DoomWiki page?

Edited May 22, 2021 by Wadmodder Shalton

[Wadmodder Shalton]

Oh, I also forgot to mention in my guess & theory that the Arizona & Washington DC DWANGO PWADs have a last modified date (or compile date) of May & June of 1996 respectively.

 

Can the compile dates of both the Arizona & Washington DC DWANGO PWADs be mentioned on the further info section of the DWANGO9 page on the DoomWiki?

Edited May 23, 2021 by Wadmodder Shalton

[Wadmodder Shalton]

I even wonder if any of the DWANGO PWADs were even included on those old Shovelware CD-ROMs or those old PC gaming magazine cover containing PWADs for DOOM between 1995 to 1997 (maybe even 1998), though there might not be a chance that the supposed 'Real' DWANGO9 wasn't on any of those CDs.

Edited May 31, 2021 by Wadmodder Shalton

[Ineedakey]

On 5/31/2021 at 6:20 PM, Wadmodder Shalton said:

I even wonder if any of the DWANGO PWADs were even included on those old Shovelware CD-ROMs or those old PC gaming magazine cover containing PWADs for DOOM between 1995 to 1997 (maybe even 1998), though there might not be a chance that the supposed 'Real' DWANGO9 wasn't on any of those CDs.

that would make sense, they were downloaded from the internet right?

Edited June 5, 2021 by Ineedakey

[Ineedakey]

On 4/12/2021 at 4:03 AM, Doomkid said:

I think only Map01 and Map05 from DWANGO!.wad come from the original Dwango9 since they are labeled as such.

 

The whole of DWANGO!.wad is just a compilation of previous Dwango maps:

 

Map02 is Dwango5 Map01

Map03 is Dwango6 Map01

Map04 is Dwango10 Map01 (not to be confused with DwangoX.wad)

Map06 is Dwango7 Map01

Map07 is Dwango6 Map18

Map08 is Dwango4 Map08

Map09 is Dwango10 Map08

Map10 is Dwango5 Map18

Map11 is Dwango7 Map06

Map12 is Dwango7 Map02

Map13 is Dwango10 Map11

Map14 is Dwango10 Map06

Map15 is called "Warzone" (but I can't find the original source)

 

I'm thankful that we at least have 2 maps from the original Dwango9, but I have a strong feeling at this point they're the only ones we'll ever see - it's only by sheer luck that they even survived for all these years, really.

does map 01 and map 05 have music which doesnt appear in any other dwango wads?