Doom belphegor edition (demo, 4 maps)

[ElPadrecitoCholo]

20 minutes ago, Clippy said:

@ElPadrecitoCholo I'm curious about this mod that you're using

 

Whatever it is maybe it's making the gameplay easier for you

 

Some kind of cartoon hammer?

 

Wondering if you would have a same experience without some kind of enhanced mod

 

As you can see from my videos there was quite a few struggles and hurdles. 

 

I find it hard to believe you've only ever died twice doing a blind run on these maps

 

 

 

 

@Clippy The name of the mod I left it in my publication, in addition, it was not as simple as you think, in fact the "shotgun" needs to improve the rate of damage towards the enemy, only in its normal mode you spend more ammunition than in its other mode that It emulates the Super Shotgun, some of the weapons may have a little more impact in damage, but they do not have enough to face certain strong enemies, such as the missile launcher, which if it spends its own in ammunition just to kill a Hell Knight, maybe 1 or 2 hits more than normal, although that if, the Alt-Fire of the hammer is the most powerful in the whole mod, apart from replacing the BFG 9000, it gives you short invincibility against any attack as if it were the green sphere, while you hit in circles, although it is much more effective in closed areas than in open areas, and to make this more funny, I never used that weapon to kill any Cyberdemon, especially from Map 04, That is why I ended up dying at the hands of you not one of those bastards, and I only used it to the end when I was shooting the Spider Master Mind at me, most of the game, I used the katana and Shirukens that replace the Chainsaw to try and save bullets, it was certainly effective, although it takes a lot more effort on the part of the Shirukens, and well... as no weapon protected me from so much Hitscanner that there was at the beginning of my second run, I died again just entering again where the Archvile and the rest of the Hitscanners were that revived that monster, I ended up getting bullets all over my body, so in short... due to a misuse of weapons, I died twice in that last level.

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

1 hour ago, Zolgia108 said:

the mod he is using (combined arms: gaiden something) is NOT aesthetic. Anyways, i am waiting for the next rejecting by idgames! if you want the downloadable version is complete, the only thing is that it has not been released yet :(

 

I didn't even notice that he posted the name of the mod before claiming it was only "aesthetic".

 

Good luck on the id archive! I'm downloading it when I sit down tonight!

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[ElPadrecitoCholo]

17 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Too much italics, didn't read. But that gameplay mod you are using in the screenshots is certainly not just an "aesthetic" mod.

@TheMagicMushroomMan I usually change the gameplay of the mod to make a different game of a Wad, so as not to stay only with the Vanilla weapons.

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

3 minutes ago, ElPadrecitoCholo said:

@Clippy The name of the mod I left it in my publication, in addition, it was not as simple as you think, in fact the "shotgun" needs to improve the rate of damage towards the enemy, only in its normal mode you spend more ammunition than in its other mode that It emulates the Super Shotgun, some of the weapons may have a little more impact in damage, but they do not have enough to face certain strong enemies, such as the missile launcher, which if it spends its own in ammunition just to kill a Hell Knight, maybe 1 or 2 hits more than normal, although that if, the Alt-Fire of the hammer is the most powerful in the whole mod, apart from replacing the BFG 9000, it gives you short invincibility against any attack as if it were the green sphere, while you hit in circles, although it is much more effective in closed areas than in open areas, and to make this more funny, I never used that weapon to kill any Cyberdemon, especially from Map 04, That is why I ended up dying at the hands of you not one of those bastards, and I only used it to the end when I was shooting the Spider Master Mind at me, most of the game, I used the katana and Shirukens that replace the Chainsaw to try and save bullets, it was certainly effective, although it takes a lot more effort on the part of the Shirukens, and well... as no weapon protected me from so much Hitscanner that there was at the beginning of my second run, I died again just entering again where the Archvile and the rest of the Hitscanners were that revived that monster, I ended up getting bullets all over my body, so in short... due to a misuse of weapons, I died twice in that last level.

Truly sounds like an aesthetics only mod. 

 

Wait, I'm sorry...

 

Truly sounds like an aesthetics only mod.

[ElPadrecitoCholo]

22 minutes ago, Clippy said:

Try playing this again without any mods and see what happens

@Clippy Very well, it would not hurt to play it again, I will publish here the video playing it without mods, Clippy

[Zolgia108]

7 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Truly sounds like an aesthetics only mod. 

 

Wait, I'm sorry...

 

Truly sounds like an aesthetics only mod.

It has been a long time since i laughed this hard sir. Thank you.

[P41R47]

49 minutes ago, ElPadrecitoCholo said:

@Clippy Very well, it would not hurt to play it again, I will publish here the video playing it without mods, Clippy

Hey, pal!
Its no use. if you like to play your game the way you like, just play it. Don't let anybody tell you how to play your game.

And @Clippy @Zolgia108 @TheMagicMushroomMan
Do you realice how you derailed the thread @Belphegor made without even giving him a proper feedback, and instead two pages of bullshiting notifications to him?
And no, seriously, ''didn't like it'' its not feedback.
Come on, you made a really good project with Happy, you already know how it feels when someone left you just a subjetive opinion and no feedback at all.
This is not related to Clippy videos, they where good and the commentary surely will help Belphegor balance and fixing the things he considere necessary.

[Zolgia108]

18 minutes ago, P41R47 said:

Hey, pal!
Its no use. if you like to play your game the way you like, just play it. Don't let anybody tell you how to play your game.

And @Clippy @Zolgia108 @TheMagicMushroomMan
Do you realice how you derailed the thread @Belphegor made without even giving him a proper feedback, and instead two pages of bullshiting notifications to him?
And no, seriously, ''didn't like it'' its not feedback.
Come on, you made a really good project with Happy, you already know how it feels when someone left you just a subjetive opinion and no feedback at all.
This is not related to Clippy videos, they where good and the commentary surely will help Belphegor balance and fixing the things he considere necessary.

m8 it derailed but it was just because of italics, i said my points which were:

1) switches to open doors (that were lifts)

2) keys before actual doors

3) random monster placement

4) underhalls room in map 2 and gantlet outdoors in map 3(or 4 i cant remember), that wasn't point out in the description.

 

i said it was just my opininion and nothing happened, i was thinking about sending the video but i was too mean in it and i preferred not to, that was my only reason. I am sorry if i offended. This topic became a flame for a different reason :)

 

EDIT: all the flame was never directed to the author, we were never offensive ( i think at least)

Edited October 6, 2020 by Zolgia108

[Clippy]

1 hour ago, ElPadrecitoCholo said:

@Clippy The name of the mod I left it in my publication, in addition, it was not as simple as you think, in fact the "shotgun" needs to improve the rate of damage towards the enemy, only in its normal mode you spend more ammunition than in its other mode that It emulates the Super Shotgun, some of the weapons may have a little more impact in damage, but they do not have enough to face certain strong enemies, such as the missile launcher, which if it spends its own in ammunition just to kill a Hell Knight, maybe 1 or 2 hits more than normal, although that if, the Alt-Fire of the hammer is the most powerful in the whole mod, apart from replacing the BFG 9000, it gives you short invincibility against any attack as if it were the green sphere, while you hit in circles, although it is much more effective in closed areas than in open areas, and to make this more funny, I never used that weapon to kill any Cyberdemon, especially from Map 04, That is why I ended up dying at the hands of you not one of those bastards, and I only used it to the end when I was shooting the Spider Master Mind at me, most of the game, I used the katana and Shirukens that replace the Chainsaw to try and save bullets, it was certainly effective, although it takes a lot more effort on the part of the Shirukens, and well... as no weapon protected me from so much Hitscanner that there was at the beginning of my second run, I died again just entering again where the Archvile and the rest of the Hitscanners were that revived that monster, I ended up getting bullets all over my body, so in short... due to a misuse of weapons, I died twice in that last level.

 

I'm trying to find the mod you used in your screenshots cause I wanna try it 

 

I thought this was it: https://combine-kegan.itch.io/combined-arms

 

But it doesn't have that big blue hammer

 

Can you tell me where to get this one?

 

Thanks!

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

30 minutes ago, P41R47 said:

Hey, pal!
Its no use. if you like to play your game the way you like, just play it. Don't let anybody tell you how to play your game.

And @Clippy @Zolgia108 @TheMagicMushroomMan
Do you realice how you derailed the thread @Belphegor made without even giving him a proper feedback, and instead two pages of bullshiting notifications to him?
And no, seriously, ''didn't like it'' its not feedback.
Come on, you made a really good project with Happy, you already know how it feels when someone left you just a subjetive opinion and no feedback at all.
This is not related to Clippy videos, they where good and the commentary surely will help Belphegor balance and fixing the things he considere necessary.

 

I understand what you're saying. I said I would give a detailed write-up later. I at least said that the maps are decent visually, but the layout could use some work. @Zolgia108 criticisms might not have been too descriptive either, but his points are valid. He at least stated why he didn't like it. The thread got derailed because a certain member was using heavy gameplay mods, and then acting like the maps were too easy. Then he claimed the mod he uses is aesthetic only. So that isn't honest criticism either. Then he made a jab at Zolgia, insinuating he didn't like the maps because he isn't good enough. 

No one is trying to dictate what mods he uses, but it invalidates his points about difficulty, and therefore it isn't any good to the author of the wad.

 

 

@Belphegor again, I will test your maps more thoroughly and let you know what I think.

 

Also, no offense @P41R47 because you're nice and I like your posts, but don't you think you're just further derailing the thread?

Edited October 6, 2020 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Clippy]

20 minutes ago, P41R47 said:

Hey, pal!
Its no use. if you like to play your game the way you like, just play it. Don't let anybody tell you how to play your game.

And @Clippy @Zolgia108 @TheMagicMushroomMan
Do you realice how you derailed the thread @Belphegor made without even giving him a proper feedback, and instead two pages of bullshiting notifications to him?
And no, seriously, ''didn't like it'' its not feedback.
Come on, you made a really good project with Happy, you already know how it feels when someone left you just a subjetive opinion and no feedback at all.
This is not related to Clippy videos, they where good and the commentary surely will help Belphegor balance and fixing the things he considere necessary.

 

Hey there - for the record I wasn't trying to dictate how ppl play

 

Based on the screenshots alone it appears he has additional things, a big blue hammer, a blue jar of bluebarries or something he threw at a cybderdmon

 

I'm trying to see how this is ascetics only

 

When reviewing maps and claiming 0 deaths / saves it leads the author to believe the map is far easier than it is.

 

Also I think I gave a lot of feedback in my videos ... I playtest to help mappers out and because it's a fun time. Wasn't trying to derail things

 

Anyway I hope we're all just friends on here sharing in the game we love and not actually fighting

 

hugs to all

[P41R47]

4 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Also, no offense @P41R47 because you're nice and I like your posts, but don't you think you're just further derailing the thread?

If it stop the flame, not at all, pal.
And now, just move on, this already lasted more than needed.

[ElPadrecitoCholo]

1 hour ago, P41R47 said:

Hey, pal!
Its no use. if you like to play your game the way you like, just play it. Don't let anybody tell you how to play your game.

@P41R47 I thank you very much for what you have told me partner, and it is good for me to know that you support me in what has been the fact of not only staying and playing with the game's default.

[ElPadrecitoCholo]

1 hour ago, Clippy said:

 

I'm trying to find the mod you used in your screenshots cause I wanna try it 

 

I thought this was it: https://combine-kegan.itch.io/combined-arms

 

But it doesn't have that big blue hammer

 

Can you tell me where to get this one?

 

Thanks!

@Clippy The name is "Combined Arms: Gaiden" Clippy, search it with that name

[Sir Hattington]

26 minutes ago, ElPadrecitoCholo said:

@Clippy The name is "Combined Arms: Gaiden" Clippy, search it with that name

Just downloaded it, pretty nice mod. Definitely not a purely "aesthetic" mod.

[ElPadrecitoCholo]

1 hour ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

a certain member was using heavy gameplay mods, and then acting like the maps were too easy.

@TheMagicMushroomMan  I could use an offensive meme in this part, but I will limit myself to just saying a few words, ahem... not even with the mod did this set of maps feel easy, Bruh

 

1 hour ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Then he claimed the mod he uses is aesthetic only.

I never said that the mod I used was part of the aesthetic, that's why I put that I liked to vary in some wads / maps with the mods I use, with what this meant changing weapons and design that were not in their totality as they are in vanilla default.
 

1 hour ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Then he made a jab at Zolgia, insinuating he didn't like the maps because he isn't good enough. 

No one is trying to dictate what mods he uses, but it invalidates his points about difficulty, and therefore it isn't any good to the author of the wad.

Finally, Zolgia was not hinting at anything that he was a bad player just because he did not like Wad, or something like that, nor is it because of the fact that the difficulty affected him more than it did. My, none of that, I just said that, between everything he said, I assumed that I ended up having a really bad time for the details that I also mention, and I understand him, there are wads that even I recognize that I can not make much progress for them. complicated that they become in their structure or way in which they place the enemies, so, I quite understand him because of what he must have gone through when playing said set of maps. By the way, in a few moments I will upload my evidence of gameplay without mods on this Wad, and you will see the reasons why you think that for me, all this resulted in something "easy".

[ElPadrecitoCholo]

1 minute ago, Sir Hattington said:

Just downloaded it, pretty nice mod. Definitely not a purely "aesthetic" mod.

@Sir Hattington come on... don't make me write about the "aesthetic" mods again... hahaha

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

You know, maybe you should listen to @P41R47 and stop derailing and bumping and double posting the fucking thread with things that don't matter and have already been discussed. It's done, nobody cares.

Poor @Belphegor.

 

Your maps show that you clearly know how to use the editor properly, and visually the maps look nice. They could use a bit more imagination, but aesthetically they are more than adequate. The main thing you need to work on, as I said before, is the layout. Your placement of enemies doesn't always make sense and some battles feel kind of awkward and random/incidental. Work on building up intensity and flow in your maps. I was confused by your placement of keys, because as Zolgia said, I ended up finding keys without having seen the doors they open. It was awkward and further put a dent in the polish and layout/flow of the maps. They were still far from being terrible, and if this is a first or second attempt at mapping, you did pretty great, much better than when I first opened up an editor. Try messing with height variation and making the maps a little less modular.

 

With some TLC and polish, the maps can go from a 5/10 to a 7 or an 8.

 

Really good effort and potential though.

Edited October 7, 2020 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Belphegor]

9 hours ago, P41R47 said:

Think again, pal!
You mapped in Hexen format.
Thats only compatible with zdoom base ports.

Yes, I said I believe it'll work on those, I just tested it on them now, didn't work. I guess I'm dumb

[Belphegor]

And also those who didn't like it, well yes I understand it's your opinion and it's fine to me :) 

Wad itself doesn't mean that it should be perfect, yes it needs some work and I'll get to it when I'll be making full release of it, it's just a demo and I haven't tested the map much so thanks for letting me know the mistakes, and I again apologise for slow lifts and doors

Ultra violence difficulty is meant the hardest difficulty in my map, well it's just for fun, I recommend playing on HMP. 

And well I made map 02,03 and 04 look like a little bit of doom 2, just a little touch so then I named it doom belphegor's edition. 

I'll make a video about full secrets when the full release will come. 

and I should've given a little description to the map in the first place, well I'm new here so yeah

Good day doomers 😊

Edited October 7, 2020 by Belphegor

[Belphegor]

6 hours ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

You know, maybe you should listen to @P41R47 and stop derailing and bumping and double posting the fucking thread with things that don't matter and have already been discussed. It's done, nobody cares.

Poor @Belphegor.

 

Your maps show that you clearly know how to use the editor properly, and visually the maps look nice. They could use a bit more imagination, but aesthetically they are more than adequate. The main thing you need to work on, as I said before, is the layout. Your placement of enemies doesn't always make sense and some battles feel kind of awkward and random/incidental. Work on building up intensity and flow in your maps. I was confused by your placement of keys, because as Zolgia said, I ended up finding keys without having seen the doors they open. It was awkward and further put a dent in the polish and layout/flow of the maps. They were still far from being terrible, and if this is a first or second attempt at mapping, you did pretty great, much better than when I first opened up an editor. Try messing with height variation and making the maps a little less modular.

 

With some TLC and polish, the maps can go from a 5/10 to a 7 or an 8.

 

Really good effort and potential though.

Yes I understand 😅 and yeah I'm kinda new to mapping, it's been 2 years but I've been mapping only on hexen format. I haven't been seeing much on tutorials but I'll get to it

[ElPadrecitoCholo]

@Clippy and @Belphegor, As I said before, here is the video played completely in vanilla, with certain flaws, yes, but in the end, everything was completed without any saving, and curiously with interesting and memorable moments (at least for me), well... It's not a bad map, although you can win without saving a game, at no time should this kind of work be underestimated, as has been the case with Map 02, where I was limited to leaving only the Cyberdemon alive for fear of dying and having to do the level again, costing me 100% Kills of all the maps, but hey, at least having all the secrets is already a good achievement. Anyway, it's still a great Wad for me, with a few things to fix, but overall, I see it pretty well, and it's entertaining for my taste, and this would be my second race for this Wad.
 

I am aware that the video really suffers from certain things, but a good part of the explanation is in the description of it, so, a pleasure to have played your Wad, partner, and I leave you recommended in case to any of my colleagues they would like to play it.

Edited October 7, 2020 by ElPadrecitoCholo

[Zolgia108]

2 hours ago, Belphegor said:

Yes I understand 😅 and yeah I'm kinda new to mapping, it's been 2 years but I've been mapping only on hexen format. I haven't been seeing much on tutorials but I'll get to it

no worries m8 i map on hexen as well and i love it!

Anyway, when you use doom rooms (like i said) you should point it out, cause doom's belphegor edition isn't enough (this is just an advice in case you want to release it later), i was frustrated by the issues but i think that with the right polishing these maps can become very good. For instance: add some health before the health sector in map 4, or replace all those hitscanners with other mid tiers monsters, or else it will become a savescum camping of 50 minutes :)

 

@ElPadrecitoCholo

oh okay, now i understand.

I was playing pistol start, you are playing continuos. Now here is a big issue^^ try map 4 pistol start man. have a nice day!

Edited October 7, 2020 by Zolgia108

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

@Belphegor The most important thing here is that both your maps and your posts show you have a lot of passion. Even when mistakes are made, effort and passion are undeniable. I will play any maps you release in the future because of that.

[Trupiak]

I liked the map, the overall styling and it being kinda rough around the edges is what I like. I died a couple times on the first level with UV but that only means it needs more careful planning and tactics so that's cool, I'll definetly try to complete the wad set on UV. HMP was hella easy and I didn't die a single time so I think the leap in difficulty might be too big.
What annoyed me:
- Doors I had keys for that I had to find the switch for anyway.
- Too many switches!
Cool stuff:
Healing sector

 

[ElPadrecitoCholo]

On 10/7/2020 at 2:43 AM, Zolgia108 said:

I was playing pistol start, you are playing continuos. Now here is a big issue^^ try map 4 pistol start man. have a nice day!

 

 

5 days late, but here is @Zolgia108, Map 04 passed with the pistol start, in addition to making a few edits so that the video would not be so long, but yes, after all, with being determined, and having enough patience, it is possible to pass the level, in addition to using only 2 saves to progress (a shame not to have achieved this without using the Saves)

Edited October 12, 2020 by ElPadrecitoCholo