Which MegaWADs do you think should have it's own Custom MIDI Project addon soundtrack?

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6 minutes ago, MattFright said:

I'm surprised nobody has brought up a Valiant midi pack at all from what i've seen, given it has (from what i know) no tracks made specifically for it

On the other hand, Valiant would be one of my top examples of a WAD whose reused tracks fit so well that they aren't worth replacing. Skillsaw might not have hired a musician for that mapset, but he certainly had good taste in MIDIs.

 

I'd rather contribute to a MIDI pack for something that entirely reuses Doom/Doom II/TNT tracks, or whose MIDIs don't really fit the maps.

Edited April 8, 2021 by northivanastan

[stewboy]

Yeah there's a difference between 'the mapper didn't think much about the music for it' and 'the mapper didn't ask for a completely original soundtrack, but still carefully selected music they thought would fit'.

Especially in Valiant's case, as it uses 9 tracks either written or co-written by me, and I feel a bit weird at the thought of someone deciding that those tracks aren't good enough!
I do realise that a lot of the thinking behind these custom midi projects isn't just 'the music in this wad just isn't right' but is also 'let's all get some motivation to write some music for something' - but in that latter case, there's plenty of ongoing projects that could also use some new music!

[Diabolución]

BF THUD! - The Doom Wiki at DoomWiki.org

The Lost Episodes of Doom - The Doom Wiki at DoomWiki.org

 

Full replacement or bust! One can just daydream, can’t one?

[Devalaous]

Lost Episodes needs a community remaster in general I think. It just doesn't hold up these days, especially as a 'commercial megawad' like the Wraith duo

[Faceman2000]

16 minutes ago, Devalaous said:

Lost Episodes needs a community remaster in general I think. It just doesn't hold up these days, especially as a 'commercial megawad' like the Wraith duo

I was working on one for a while. Touched several maps up to a higher standard whilst keeping them mostly intact.

[Andromeda]

On 4/8/2021 at 3:41 PM, yakfak said:

Eternal Doom could also use revisits on the music imo, not to discredit the original work or the fatboy slim MIDI choices lol

Don't forget the golden rule of Eternal's OST: a generous serving of marimba.

[I Drink Lava]

Operation BIOWAR? It has a full soundtrack replacement but they're all recycled from Mark Klem's other projects. I guess by that virtue, Hell Revealed 1 and DIMENSIONS OF TIME since they just use Rise of the Triad's MIDIs along with some pop music.

[pcorf]

Sunder, Kama Sutra, Squadron 417 and a few other well known megawads including my first megawad Twilight Zone

[cannonball]

Hell revealed, okay so it uses ROTT midis in over two thirds of the wad but it could do with a more bespoke set, especially for those maps that used the stock tracks in E3.

Edited April 10, 2021 by cannonball

[UnluckySpade7]

I'd like to see a full Doom 64 for Doom 2 midi pack.

Edited April 10, 2021 by UnluckySpade7

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3 minutes ago, UnluckySpade7 said:

I'd like to see a Doom 64 for Doom 2 midi pack.

doesn't that already have a bespoke soundtrack?

[UnluckySpade7]

2 minutes ago, northivanastan said:

doesn't that already have a bespoke soundtrack?

quite a few tracks are repeats from the vanilla games

Edited April 10, 2021 by UnluckySpade7

[Wadmodder Shalton]

Wish to see a custom midi pack for single episode replacements for DOOM & Ultimate DOOM that didn't include any music.

[roadworx]

14 hours ago, pcorf said:

Sunder, Kama Sutra, Squadron 417 and a few other well known megawads including my first megawad Twilight Zone

don't you write music? you could make a midi pack for the twilight zone

[Final Verdict]

 

I'll throw Going Down into the ring, if it hasn't been suggested already.

 

Fantastic Wad and I'm all for atmospheric music, but I can barely tolerate the midi's in it.

 

Going Down is begging for a custom midi pack.

 

Edit: Well that gave me a laugh, if only for the reactions, but I better add this to avoid anyone else misunderstanding it. The "barely tolerate" comment is meant as sarcastic emphasis. There is no witch or heresy to burn here.

 

Tough crowd tonight.

 

Edited April 10, 2021 by Final Verdict

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I think I agree with the take MtPain27 had in his video on Going Down. As Cyriak said, it's supposed to sound that way. It also fits the chaotic nature of Going Down, and I can't imagine the WAD without that particular style of music.

 

Probably would be one of my last choices for a custom MIDI pack, but other musicians might disagree with me.

Edited April 10, 2021 by northivanastan

[Devalaous]

In general, a good source of things is to look at the cacoward winners/top 100 and the official add-ons and see what has no custom stuff/music thats just ripped from other sources. A lot of the really big classic megawads have midis ripped from all over the place, Alien Vendetta is a prime example.

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7 minutes ago, Devalaous said:

In general, a good source of things is to look at the cacoward winners/top 100 and the official add-ons and see what has no custom stuff/music thats just ripped from other sources. A lot of the really big classic megawads have midis ripped from all over the place, Alien Vendetta is a prime example.

There are good music picks in Alien Vendetta (the Carmageddon, Rise of the Triad, and Lands of Lore tracks) but overall there's way too much of the old Doom soundtrack there. So I'd be up for that. Only if Map 20's track can remain (or be remixed) though, it's the only bespoke track and it's great

[stewboy]

1 hour ago, Final Verdict said:

 

I'll throw Going Down into the ring, if it hasn't been suggested already.

 

Fantastic Wad and I'm all for atmospheric music, but I can barely tolerate the midi's in it. 

 

Going Down is begging for a custom midi pack.

Seeing as Cyriak wrote his own music for it, it would be a bit rude to decide as a community that it wasn't 'good enough'. Like I said before, the point of these community midi packs is to write new music for a project whose original authors didn't really give much thought to the music. If there's a wad with bespoke music or music already picked out by the authors, and you don't like their choices, you should probably just grab an existing midi pack and just play the wad with that loaded instead.

[dei_eldren]

On 1/14/2021 at 2:29 AM, P41R47 said:

Other that that, i worked long ago with Datacore, author of UD'PWAD Endless Torture, and he is so used to the original songs that he doesn't know if other music will fit his maps. I suggested a new midipack and he said that it would be cool to have an alternate soundtrack to it. Since that, i'm making a midipack for it with some industrial rock and metal acts and it come as a really good midipack. Probably releasing it soon, too, after some touch ups here and there.

 

That's so cool - look forward to it, and stopping playing it until your new midipack is released!  Think i'll end up replaying the whole of it then.

Edited April 10, 2021 by dei_eldren

[Devalaous]

12 minutes ago, northivanastan said:

There are good music picks in Alien Vendetta (the Carmageddon, Rise of the Triad, and Lands of Lore tracks) but overall there's way too much of the old Doom soundtrack there. So I'd be up for that. Only if Map 20's track can remain (or be remixed) though, it's the only bespoke track and it's great

 

Agreed on 20; actual unique tracks have no right to be replaced. Can always make a track for Valley of Echoes too, as well as the two Black Label maps if they don't have midis for them, I don't recall if they do. AV: Definitive Edition with all 35 maps and a 99% new soundtrack, anyone? :D

[Gez]

Going Down has a lot of repeat music, so I could see a MIDI pack for it that replaces repeated tracks with new MIDIs in the exact same style and vein as Cyriak's own tracks.

[Devalaous]

13 minutes ago, stewboy said:

If there's a wad with bespoke music or music already picked out by the authors, and you don't like their choices, you should probably just grab an existing midi pack and just play the wad with that loaded instead.

 

Thats basically exactly what these midipacks are though; alternative soundtracks that are loaded on top. It would be a problem if we, say, got id to replace Plutonia's soundtrack in all our future installations, or if we repackaged Going Down without his music.

 

Never replace, only offer alternatives for differing tastes :D

[Bridgeburner56]

Replacing the music in Going Down is grounds for excommunication

[Doomkid]

I love Going Down’s soundtrack, it’s one of the best I’ve heard. I’ve listened to the MIDIs more than I’ve played the maps at this point by a long shot..

 

I’d like to see GreenWar getting a custom soundtrack some time but I doubt most have even played it, so that would be a bit of a hurdle. Then again, wads like that are part of what I consider things like midtwid to be for anyway.

[Tristan]

nah sorry i'm not into it, there's a difference between loading something up for personal use (which is fine) and an organised effort to undo actual work or at least thought out choices done by the wad's author. i'd be pissed off if that was done to something i worked on.

 

anyway on an unrelated note i've decided i don't actually like going down's level design so i'm going to make some alternative maps for it

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i actually liked gd and that remark is not to be taken seriously

 

[xX_Lol6_Xx]

Scythe, most of the midis are from D1, D2 and a couple from TNT, so a custom midi pack for it would be interesting

 

Edit: I know it has custom midis (Which are good btw), but, with more music I think it would be even better.

Edited April 10, 2021 by Lol 6

[baja blast rd.]

In theory, there would be nothing wrong with creating a fan MIDI pack for Going Down (or anything), inspired to make fitting and similar things.  That could be presented as a cool, constructive thing to do. 

But "these MIDIs are bad and I hate them, so some skilled composer should remake the soundtrack" is just a really obnoxious position. So, kindly drop that. 

 

Also what stewboy said.

[dac]

Custom MIDI pack for wads without bespoke music, but it's all Going Down music as fitting as it can be

[Final Verdict]

2 minutes ago, stewboy said:

Seeing as Cyriak wrote his own music for it, it would be a bit rude to decide as a community that it wasn't 'good enough'. Like I said before, the point of these community midi packs is to write new music for a project whose original authors didn't really give much thought to the music. If there's a wad with bespoke music or music already picked out by the authors, and you don't like their choices, you should probably just grab an existing midi pack and just play the wad with that loaded instead.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say "not good enough", more that Going Down's midi is simply not my thing. That doesn't mean I think it's bad or that it should be entirely replaced. Even if I did, I would never announce it publicly on a forum or elsewhere. That would be inconsiderate and cruel to the person who worked on it.

 

I meant touch it up while keeping the atmospheric style. Some tracks repeat in it if I remember correctly, so maybe something could be done there. That sort of thing. 

 

But you do make a fair point. I probably should have worded it better.