Hello, fellow kids!

[thestupidmeddy]

I'm a newbie of this community, but I'm not a stranger towards Doom and Heretic. I remember playing them briefly when I was 5 years old.(I'm 20 now by the way) And I found a resurgence of nostalgia towards Doom and Heretic 6 years ago, and I keep returning to them ever since. Also I found a strange appreciation for Hexen recently. My questions that I want to adress would be: Why with the release of the new games, the interest for the older games is smaller? And why the community for such an influential game as Doom feels small?  

[Andromeda]

Hello and welcome!

 

As for your questions, I've noticed the opposite phenomenom: the new games have sparked interest from younger players in the old games and thus the community has been growing. Maybe it feels small when compared to AAA game communities but for a 27 year old game, I'd say it's doing fine!

[thestupidmeddy]

Yeah that is impressive. But I asume that the community had and has some struggles keeping itself alive.

[MFG38]

Hello and welcome! c:

[SilverMiner]

  On 1/18/2021 at 3:08 PM, Meddy said:

And why the community for such an influential game as Doom feels small?

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I feel the opposite: we're having really large centralized community unlike imho e.g. Quake community

[Chris Hansen]

We’re not struggling to keep Doomworld alive that’s for sure! Plenty of new content posted everyday and new faces everywhere. I’ve been coming here for almost 20 years and it’s still worth my time.

[magicsofa]

As a 32 year old kid I can assure you, some of us will play Doom until our last day...

[P41R47]

Hi and welcome to the community!

Hope you enjoy your stay ;)

 

I play this game since i has 4 years old, 27 years ago, and for certain, this game and this community are not only in good shape and healthy.

There are new content and a lot of new members everyday, and there are also new players and new members on the different country communities, like the Russian Doom Community, the Japanese Doom Community, the Czech Doom Community, and some other countries small communities. New and more players enjoy this game everyday. Fact, not asumption.

And then there is also the ZDoom Forums community, releasing new content at even greater pace than here, i think. Some members are here, too, but a lot just stay there using ZDoom base ports.

 

  On 1/18/2021 at 3:46 PM, Meddy said:

But I asume that the community had and has some struggles keeping itself alive.

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Don't take this as rudeness by my part, but why you asume this?

 

 

[BlueThunder]

I've been playing Doom for over 25 years now on and off and I only first came here a year ago, but personally I couldn't believe how big the community is after all these years.

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 4:40 PM, P41R47 said:

Don't take this as rudeness by my part, but why you asume this?

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Well every community I believe had hard times with drama and controversies or key members resigning(or even worse dying). Right? 

[Silhouette 03]

  On 1/18/2021 at 3:46 PM, Meddy said:

Yeah that is impressive. But I asume that the community had and has some struggles keeping itself alive.

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Not At all! We're getting new faces everyday, players, mappers ,speedrunners and people who just want to talk about the games or relax with likeminded people. Welcome to doomworld! may demons tremble at your huge guts(rip and tear, etc. )!

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 4:30 PM, magicsofa said:

As a 32 year old kid I can assure you, some of us will play Doom until our last day...

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I hope so myself. If people keep making awesome maps and mods then I'm in.

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 5:42 PM, Silhou3tte said:

Not At all! We're getting new faces everyday, players, mappers ,speedrunners and people who just want to talk about the games or relax with likeminded people. Welcome to doomworld! may demons tremble at your huge guts(rip and tear, etc. )!

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Glad to be among you. Rip and tear!

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 4:19 PM, Chris Hansen said:

We’re not struggling to keep Doomworld alive that’s for sure! Plenty of new content posted everyday and new faces everywhere. I’ve been coming here for almost 20 years and it’s still worth my time.

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Good to hear that!

 

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 4:03 PM, SilverMiner said:

I feel the opposite: we're having really large centralized community unlike imho e.g. Quake community

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What do you mean by centralized?

 

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 3:56 PM, MFG38 said:

Hello and welcome! c:

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Hi!

[Silhouette 03]

@Meddy , just a tip, you can quote multiple posts in one post as to not forum spam. It just helps keep things a bit more organized.

[thestupidmeddy]

Thanks @Silhou3tte

 

[Hitboi]

  On 1/18/2021 at 5:40 PM, Meddy said:

Well every community I believe had hard times with drama and controversies or key members resigning(or even worse dying). Right? 

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That's something very minor in this place.

It's so minor that I can't explain more, a big example is Graf Zahl's hate on Lilith.pk3, here's a video explaining that by Dwars:

https://youtu.be/VnjLZow4zK0

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 5:57 PM, AvadaKedavraWithQuadDamage said:

That's something very minor in this place.

It's so minor that I can't explain more, a big example is Graf Zahl's hate on Lilith.pk3, here's a video explaining that by Dwars:

https://youtu.be/VnjLZow4zK0

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Thanks. And also love your avatar XD.

 

[SilverMiner]

  On 1/18/2021 at 5:48 PM, Meddy said:

What do you mean by centralized?

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Most of doom community members are on this forum (e.g. Quake's community feels a bit fractured)

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 6:01 PM, SilverMiner said:

Most of doom community members are on this forum (e.g. Quake's community feels a bit fractured)

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How come?

[SilverMiner]

I dunno

[holaareola]

 

  On 1/18/2021 at 3:08 PM, Meddy said:

I'm a newbie of this community, but I'm not a stranger towards Doom and Heretic. I remember playing them briefly when I was 5 years old.(I'm 20 now by the way) And I found a resurgence of nostalgia towards Doom and Heretic 6 years ago, and I keep returning to them ever since. Also I found a strange appreciation for Hexen recently. My questions that I want to adress would be: Why with the release of the new games, the interest for the older games is smaller? And why the community for such an influential game as Doom feels small?  

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I feel like between here and the Zdoom forums, the community is quite vital and we see a lot of fresh blood coming through. Ain't all old farts hanging onto yesteryear. Tons of content coming out, new faces, old players coming back, players joining up who first played Doom when the game was of already of drinking age! The GZDoom modding scene is absolutely wild. I can't even keep track. People are creating so much stuff there's one Youtuber who does almost nothing else but review it iirc. Seems like good health to me!

 

What communities are you comparing it to out of curiosity? I don't have much to weigh it against. Doomworld is pretty much the last messageboard site I come back to regularly the way I would 20 years ago.

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 6:34 PM, holaareola said:

 

What communities are you comparing it to out of curiosity? I don't have much to weigh it against. Doomworld is pretty much the last messageboard site I come back to regularly the way I would 20 years ago.

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I don't have an example really. I just can't believe a community as old can be as strong as it was in it's hayday.

[Bauul]

  On 1/18/2021 at 6:41 PM, Meddy said:

I don't have an example really. I just can't believe a community as old can be as strong as it was in it's hayday.

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The accessibility of modern editing tools has gone a long way to making the game easier to create for than it was in the past, and as such there's no slow-down in the amount of content being released.  Plus, Doom isn't a static game: tastes change, influential mappers and modders come and go, source ports evolve in capability and popularity, and as such it always feels like the community is pushing to something new.

 

If you want to learn more about how the community has evolved over time, I recommend reading through:

• A selection of The Cacowards, the annual celebration of the best wads released that year.  
• The Roots of Doom Mapping, a full deep-dive into the evolving nature of Doom wads over the years.

These should give you a sense of how, and why, the community has never been in danger of petering out.  

[thestupidmeddy]

  On 1/18/2021 at 6:53 PM, Bauul said:

 

The accessibility of modern editing tools has gone a long way to making the game easier to create for than it was in the past, and as such there's no slow-down in the amount of content being released.  Plus, Doom isn't a static game: tastes change, influential mappers and modders come and go, source ports evolve in capability and popularity, and as such it always feels like the community is pushing to something new.

 

If you want to learn more about how the community has evolved over time, I recommend reading through:

• A selection of The Cacowards, the annual celebration of the best wads released that year.  
• The Roots of Doom Mapping, a full deep-dive into the evolving nature of Doom wads over the years.

These should give you a sense of how, and why, the community has never been in danger of petering out.  

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Thank you!

[dei_eldren]

i asked my 19yo gaming nephew if he knew Doom and he said he believes he's seen a YT clip or two of some such thing.  So from my point of view the answer is there's simply so much stuff, and people tend to focus on new things.

 

BUT: ultimately i think your perception is not quite correct.  The amount of enthusiasm and content created for Doom, and the amount of messages DW generates, on a daily basis, is simply astounding.  A game this old isn't on everybody's radar, even for reasons of prejudice alone (my nephew wouldn't be interested), not to mention commercial interests always being behind new products, but the amount of people who are active with it despite of literally hundreds of alternatives is proof of its vitality.  Doom stands completely alone, it's not trendy, and there's no social incentive to play it - and yet people find their way here every day.  Sheer numbers don't tell everything.

Edited January 18, 2021 by dei_eldren

[GraphicBleeder]

Don't worry man. We are in no way a small or "dying" community. New stuff is being posted to Doomworld every day! And even place like r/Doom and the hundreds of Discord servers out there are still very active. This is still a thriving community. And about interest in the older games being less recognized, well don't worry! I think most new members were brought in by games like Doom 4 and Doom Eternal. But most of the time they also discover love for the older games. So welcome to Doomworld man! Hope you have fun in our demon-killing community!

[thestupidmeddy]

 

Thank you for your kind and welcoming words, @GraphicBleeder.

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Meddy