Did the Slayer become Doomguy again? [Spoilers]

[rustygizzard]

yeah, that's what i was thinking since it was such a weird thing to label as a "bug". the games story is very flawed and you can tell they made it up as they went, but it doesn't make it any less enjoyable for me at least lmao

[NoXion]

Seems odd that Hugo would say such a thing then. Surely he would know that people are going to dig around inside the game?

[Quasar]

Just now, NoXion said:

Seems odd that Hugo would say such a thing then. Surely he would know that people are going to dig around inside the game?

Maybe somebody changed it w/o Hugo knowing and that much was an accident, but who knows. It having been intended to be the Dark Lord originally is definitely not in question though.

[jazzmaster9]

28 minutes ago, Quasar said:

I don't believe that it was an "accident". The wave file has always been in a folder named "dark_lord" in the game's assets. What a load of crock.

It maybe both an accident and intended (at first). Being involved with software, It's known that Things Always change, then reverted back then reverted again during development. especially during times of very rushed and chaotic production.

 

Edited March 28, 2021 by jazzmaster9

[thewormofautumn]

On 3/28/2021 at 4:54 PM, NoXion said:

EDIT: I found out you can Ctrl+F and search within the auto-generated captions, and think the specific part I was talking about can be found here.

 

Thanks for that. Very interesting.

So I guess the story continues, like a Matryoshka doll, we just keep fighting what's bigger and badder

 

[thewormofautumn]

16 hours ago, jazzmaster9 said:

It maybe both an accident and intended (at first). Being involved with software, It's known that Things Always change, then reverted back then reverted again during development. especially during times of very rushed and chaotic production.

 

 

Grammar check... "reverted back" should just be reverted :)

They mean the same thing. Same with "reverse back" or "exactly the same".

 

okay, carry on as normal... :)

[slidjfaoin]

On 3/22/2021 at 2:50 AM, Yurax said:

I think, that in codexes was stated, that Divinity Engine has only fragment of Davoth (and drives tortured Sentinels mad), while Slayer becomes Slayer because Samur runs DE reverted on him. Not that this fragment is implemented into one particular person (who, instead of going destroy Urdak immediately, gots trapped in collapsed temple, only to get rescued by Samur again)

Anyways this makes sense, but if it is true then:

-eternal gameplay is over, no real men can heal by glorykills, handle praetor suit and didnt vomit on first dash.

-he will rot in sarcophagus, unless it is some cryo or statis freezer. Or driven mad, if human soul is consious in unresponsible divine body.

-why would Makers put him in statis, if he would be just incousious human. In that case they would bring him to Earth perhaps.

 

Makes more sense that Davoth takes look of Slayer as honor, than makes him his image. This will explain also fact, that he never leaves his mech. Full body Luminarium it might be just illusion.

Or Maykrs are just some quantum "Luttece" siblings from all dimensions, that got rid of Davoth by bringing his good self from other reality.

First off, He is still alive, we can still see from his perspective when he was in the sarcophagus, the devs have confirmed it and they still have so many stories to tell from him and many more and also, which means that Davoth is still alive and sealed along with his homeworld in jekkad and immora whom are sealed but not dead, like the icon of sin and many demons he killed, and which brings that both archrival's are connected to each other now, the devs confirming that he is still alive and the quote at the end,

 

"MAY THE BLOOD OF YOUR SWORD NEVER DRY AND MAY WE NEVER NEED YOU AGAIN",

 

"I think as you play the DLC too, you will see hint's of what we could do moving forward. Maybe even in the future, again, our hero is somewhat timeless, I mean, he is literally immortal. So we could tell all kinds of stories",

 

Hugo Marin and Martin Stratton Interview, March 17, 2021. Talking about the future of the Game and it is still not over

 

And also, we still have Samur to fuck along with VEGA as they are still alive, and the goddamn Dark Priest Prophecy.

 

"The power held within the crucible will punish (manborn?) and doom killer (like him?). To crush the divide, it will corrupt all realms. The beast, it must never be found."

 

"Yet even as the doom slayer revels in the spoils of this world, another shall rise from the fires. A dark priest, consumed by the Crucible, and even the Doom Slayer shall weep in his shadow."

 

On 3/23/2021 at 5:04 AM, mammajamma said:

Samur was the "Wretch" Seraphim mentioned in Doom 4's codex that gave Doomguy his Slayer powers through a chunk of Davoth's soul. Samur later manifested himself in 2016's universe by possessing Samuel Hayden's body through rapid terminal malignant cancer. That's also how Hayden was able to recover Doomguy from that deep tomb at the beginning of 4. It would explain the time skip/plothole between Doom 4's ending and Eternal's opening as well. Hayden was never going to kill him or fuck him over when he was the one who gave Doomguy his buff in the first place; he already knows he's fucked so everything he does is to ensure that Doomguy kills him last. The Divinity Machine is supposed to be a callback to Doom 4's beginning where he wakes up in the sarcophagus.

 

At any point Doomguy was extremely fucking strong in the first place before Doom 4. Someone who dies then fights his way out of hell, fights his way once more into hell while saving the earth, and then decides to stay there after doing it again, is going to be overpowered by any measure, especially when the game's enemy roster by its very nature and backstory can overwhelm humanity through a mix of viciousness and sheer numbers.

Davoth taking the form of Doomguy is, I assume, a metaphor on the idea of Doomguy being a stand-in/blank slate for the player as well as on how many Doom players have tried their hand at making a map over the past 25 years, mixed in with the old trope of selling your soul to the devil for power. The Makyr themselves are more like Ancient Aliens that happen to look like deities. (That skin pack that's a total reference to the WAD isn't a coincidence.) Davoth is one of the Ancient Gods.
 

Any future Doom game, WAD, mod, or guest appearance can be rationalized as random shit Doomguy got up to sometime in-between Doom 64 and Eternal, or him waking up from the Divinity Machine presumably after id's next game or two, aka nuQuake.

Samur is not the wretch, the devs don't even know how to put the wretch clearly in the game, they said that he was suppose to be in argent d'nur where the slayer was suppose to have his armor but they changed that, now it is an unknown being that is in hell that forged his weapons, which possibly is an unknown demon or Valen Himself. If you people do not believe it, here is a word from hugo.

 

"We didn't really go into it, The Wretch is the one who fashions your armor originally. And I will say, that is one that has been left on the table so far. It is the person who made your armor initially way back in argent d'nur, when you are with the Sentinels but we did not go into who the character is", 

 

EDIT: An additional one info why it is Valen or the Argenta is because of this passage in doom 2016 CODEX. 

 

"ALL FALLS BEFORE THE COMMAND OF HELL, FOR OUR POWER IS ABSOLUTE, OUR MARCH TO VICTORY INEVITABLE. BEFORE OUR ARMIES, EVEN THE ELEMENTAL WRATIH'S OF ARGENT D'NUR WERE SUBJUGATED. IN THE GREAT VICTORY, THE NIGHT SENTINELS, PROTECTOR OF THE WRAITHS, WERE BETRAYED BY ONE OF THEIR OWN, AND THE WRETCHES WEPT AS WE  DEVOURED THERE WORLD AND TOO THE WELL FOR OUR OWN DEVICES. NONE STAND AGAINST US, FOR TREACHERY RESIDES IN ALL THINGS AND WE SHALL SET IT FREE".

Edited April 9, 2021 by slidjfaoin

[slidjfaoin]

On 3/22/2021 at 6:49 AM, Mraka said:

If Davoth's death is the reason behind The Slayer collapsing, why didn't everything else do the same? The realms, the Maykr's, Sentinels etc.

 

They stole his powers, the one that shaped the Multiverse that he created, and basically severed him and remade everything into there own image. Meanwhile the Jekkads and Immorans are sealed along with him and were not affected by this but there's was more brutal and fatal. When they severed him from creation and the people outside, the Jekkadians and Immorans were a multiveral, interstellar empire, from there own ships to everything excempt there lifespans, of which Davoth wanted removed and remade them into him so he will never be alone and his love and obsession of them along with everything. 

 

Now imagine an Empire of this scale suddenly cut off from one another along with every creation and the Maykr's remaking everything and we've seen this happened in so many fictions and reali life scenario's of civ's being cut off from one another.

 

One example is krypton, where Zod went to find outpost of planets they have left that are suppose to be alive, all he see is dead bodies of his fellow men, or the ISA killing the Helghast by starvation from preventing them for support that Visari had to resort to the Black Market, or the 40K Men of Iron usurped the Human federation, forcing the federetion to dismantle everything they have created and destroying everything as they are all connected to the AI-killing machines that even the Imperium cannot salvage them to this day and so many more and what's more, bring the human race on the brink of extinction that the Emperor was forced to move his hand and reveal himself when he should not have to begin with as he wanted them to be independent of him, I can post more but you get the point.

 

Now that is a lot of souls and power that the Maykr's just got and they were suppose to be the protectors, not the usurpers. And remade themselves into these Beings of light and Vega into Father when there Empire and power was created from the deaths they have created in the conflict, and brought more into the fold when the suppose to be dead Davoth survived and came back with a vengeance and a future of pain and destruction that they thought they prevented. 

 

Which they ended up making it happen, it is so funny, by thinking that by not giving him the ingredient to Immortality, sealing him, killing his people, they thought that it was good but ended up creating the very being that they are now fearing and also using in there transfiguration problem. Oh The irony.

 

And you know what is funny? They remade and reworked everything so much, even there history. THEY FORGOT HIM. HAHAHAHAHAHAHH. THEY WENT FULL RETARD. 

 

Now they have created the humans and other sentient beings, imbued with pains and misfortune, so we would understand peace and life. More like Horseshit, they created the fricking devil that Doomguy and the other are now fighting and all of them losing except for Doomguy, they deserved extinction and all the pains they have caused more than anyone, I thought VEGA was a good guy but in his early days, he was much like Hayden but with more emotions and regrets that he actually tries to repent for it through helping the Slayer as in him, he is the Davoth before becoming the Dark Lord. 

 

 

 

Edit: I got a quick question, is it like spacebattles in here where I cannot doublepost or are the rules different?

Edited April 9, 2021 by slidjfaoin

[Tycitron]

On 3/20/2021 at 7:45 PM, Reelvonic said:

i like to view him finding daisy dead as the final point when he turns from "doomguy" to "doom slayer". its no longer about survival, its about revenge

Hard Disagree, in Doom 2, one of the story texts say this: "You sit back and wait for death, content that you have saved your species." meaning he was just doing it to save his species, not exactly revenge, he was LITERALLY WAITING TO DIE, doesnt sound like somebody who purely wants revenge. plus Daisy is NEVER mentioned again in any of the classic games outside of Episode 4 of Ultimate Doom.

[Teo Slayer]

They're the same person