I called it.

[SlayerOGames666]

Must... Give... Money... To... Microsoft...

[SiMpLeToNiUm]

3 hours ago, I Drink Lava said:

Reminder that there is an unlocker mod on the various Doom Eternal modding discord servers that unlocks all skins, free or paid-for.

 

Also holy shit, according to the Steam reviews it doesn't even give you the Doomicorn skin but rather the Series 1 set of skins. How do you fuck up that bad?

So, that's demonstrably incorrect...it's first on the list of the things you get. If an issue arises where you don't get the skin in your inventory I would think you can refer the fine folks over there at MSoft/id/BethSoft to this page on steam in order to receive what you paid for...accidents happen.


Also, as to the salt for this "taking advantage of people" or whatever, hello. I am they. How terrible that the corporate machine is taking advantage of my delicate weaknesses. I missed out on the Doomicorn Twitch drop, which was on me. I have been PINING for this stupid digital graphic since I missed out on it before because I actually really wanted the skin for no other reason than I thought it was too hilarious and stupid not to have it, and now that it's available, I will buy it. Do I care? No. I'm actually just happy that people like me get a chance to get the skin again. I thought it was a one-time exclusive thing, but I was dumb and missed out on that golden opportunity the first time they offered it. All this nonsense of the "evilness of microtransactions" or whatever is just kinda ridiculous. As to them promising not to do it, I'm sure there's some fine print somewhere or some words that were taken out of context. Feel free to prove me wrong, but honestly I really don't care. I'm getting my stupid unicorn skin and you can be mad about that, I guess.

[snapshot]

Don't be afraid, once your soul has been consumed, your fear will cease to exist

[Nine Inch Heels]

6 minutes ago, SiMpLeToNiUm said:

Also, as to the salt for this "taking advantage of people" or whatever, hello. I am they. How terrible that the corporate machine is taking advantage of my delicate weaknesses. I missed out on the Doomicorn Twitch drop, which was on me. I have been PINING for this stupid digital graphic since I missed out on it before because I actually really wanted the skin for no other reason than I thought it was too hilarious and stupid not to have it, and now that it's available, I will buy it. Do I care? No. I'm actually just happy that people like me get a chance to get the skin again. I thought it was a one-time exclusive thing, but I was dumb and missed out on that golden opportunity the first time they offered it. All this nonsense of the "evilness of microtransactions" or whatever is just kinda ridiculous. As to them promising not to do it, I'm sure there's some fine print somewhere or some words that were taken out of context. Feel free to prove me wrong, but honestly I really don't care. I'm getting my stupid unicorn skin and you can be mad about that, I guess.

Let's get the easy thing out the way: There's nobody here who is mad about you getting something that you wanted to have. You can try and find some piece of evidence in this thread that would support this utterly stupid take of yours, but I can promise you there isn't any, so let's move on...

 

Yeah.... You got that right, you are exactly the target audience they have been looking for, and there's nothing wrong with being a satisfied customer in your case... Unfortunately, no matter how satisfied you are, or how little in the way of fucks you give, MTXs have a history of getting out of hand the split second some suits realize that there's a lot of money to be made past the usual full-prize selling point of a game - and right about now is that split second for id, if we're unlucky...

 

It's nice that you're happy about that skin right now, and it's A-okay that you don't see any reason to worry right now, but not being able or willing to consider that this might be a bad precedent is nothing to pat yourself on the back for... Just putting that out there...

[cybdmn]

9 hours ago, scalliano said:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1460021/DOOMicorn_Master_Collection_Cosmetic_Pack/

 

And so it begins.

 

 

And this perfectly shows, what is wrong with the gaming industry these days.

[NoXion]

6 hours ago, scalliano said:

Catch-all term. Just used to saying IAP when I'm talking with my IRL mates about this kind of stuff.

I've always understood "in-app purchases" to mean the ability to buy extra content from entirely within the game. Not stuff you have to exit and look on the Steam page to get. So in that respect, no promises have been broken.

I can't say I'm entirely happy about this development, and I agree that saying "it's just cosmetic!" doesn't wash. Significant development resources go into making modern games look good, and player character cosmetics are a part of that. Aesthetics are important to how players enjoy such games.

But on the other hand I don't think Eternal has crossed the line into the iniquitous depths plumbed by the likes of lootbox mechanics (i.e. gambling), which I think are absolutely predatory, certainly when compared to offering skins as a direct, one-off purchase. They could still run the Doomicorn set as a special event later, like what they did with the Hotrod set.

I await further developments with trepidation...

[scalliano]

The promise was that cosmetics would only be unlockable via XP, although now that I think about it, you could argue that the promise was broken the moment skins were tied to Twitch membership. Personally, I give that a pass, as with preorder stuff. Sans Doomicorn, I have most (if not all) of the skins on offer already. I don't even play multiplayer and the only skins I have any real interest in are the Classic and Phobos skins (Quake III FTW) so I'm not really coming at this from the FOMO angle either. I just have to ask, if this is the Series One pack, are they going to do this for everything eventually? At £8 a pop, that's sliding into Dead Or Alive territory.

[MattFright]

4 hours ago, Caffeine Freak said:

 

I mean sure, but even back in the days of Carmack, they wouldn't open source their engines until *long* after they themselves were finished with them, usually 2-3 further id engines in the future. I'm not saying Carmack didn't have good motives, because I think he did. But they also tended to release their tech in a way that was pretty risk-averse, especially given how quickly graphics and processing power were exploding in the 90's to mid-2000's.

 

I get that, fair, but even then, they were at least fully open to licensing out their engines so we could see more games made with them. The quote i brought up was actually in response about licensing the engine (which is absurd).

[Sergeant_Mark_IV]

jeeeeeezzz...

Everyone arguing whether selling these skins is ethical or not, while they are literally scamming the people who bought it. This is unbelievable.

Edited April 30, 2021 by Sergeant_Mark_IV

[Vic Vos]

So, Hugo is a confirmed liar. Not surprised.

[1Destro3456]

7 minutes ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

jeeeeeezzz...

Everyone arguing whether selling these skins is ethical or not, while they are literally scamming the people who bought it. This is unbelievable.

Well, that's just fucked up

[AtimZarr1]

25 minutes ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

Everyone arguing whether selling these skins is ethical or not, while they are literally scamming the people who bought it. This is unbelievable.

 

Considering reviews on the Doomicorn page mention receiving the Series One skin and reviews on the Series One page mention receiving the Doomicorn skin, there's probably an accidental mix-up involved. I doubt they're mixing them up on purpose to scam people, since that would be pointless.

[NoXion]

It would be an open and shut case under the UK Trades Descriptions Act, and similar legislation exists in other countries. So I doubt that the mix-up is deliberate.

[Sergeant_Mark_IV]

29 minutes ago, AtimZarr1 said:

 

Considering reviews on the Doomicorn page mention receiving the Series One skin and reviews on the Series One page mention receiving the Doomicorn skin, there's probably an accidental mix-up involved.

How is this even possible, like. They literally don't check their shit. Not a single person tested it to see if it's working.

[Martin-CAI]

I just want the classic weapons sound that I missed not buying the deluxe edition.

[MFG38]

Reviews: "mostly negative".

 

Goes to show that gamers these days have no sense of humor.

 

EDIT: I have been enlightened as to the full context of the reviews and hereby retract this statement.

Edited April 30, 2021 by MFG38

[NoXion]

3 minutes ago, MFG38 said:

Reviews: "mostly negative".

 

Goes to show that gamers these days have no sense of humor.

They didn't get what they paid for, I think that's a good enough reason to be salty.

[Vic Vos]

2 minutes ago, MFG38 said:

Reviews: "mostly negative".

 

Goes to show that gamers these days have no sense of humor.

So giving different content than what you paid for is now "just a prank bro"?
I mean, I've seen other people actually defend this, but this is just stretching it.

[Sergeant_Mark_IV]

Just now, NoXion said:

They didn't get what they paid for, I think that's a good enough reason to be salty.

Not to mention if you already had the "Series One Pack" you receive literally nothing.
 

[scalliano]

I was concerned about id going full Koei Tecmo. Turns out they've gone full Bethesda.

[Vic Vos]

1 minute ago, scalliano said:

I was concerned about id going full Koei Tecmo. Turns out they've gone full Bethesda.

Well, it's a Bethesda-published release, so...

[Sergeant_Mark_IV]

This day would come sooner or later, you all knew it.

[Vic Vos]

2 minutes ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

This day would come sooner or later, you all knew it.

The next id Software release will most likely have a full-on in-game store with currency and shit. Only this time they'd be selling actual playable content on top of skins.

Edited April 30, 2021 by Vic Vos

[NoXion]

Just now, Vic Vos said:

The next id Software release will most likely have a full-on in-game store with currency and shit.

If that's the case, then I ain't buying it. But the future ain't set in stone, so I'll wait and see.

[Stoltzmann]

And they laughed at me when I said that cosmetics are the first step for microtransactions.

[Alter]

32 minutes ago, Stoltzmann said:

And they laughed at me when I said that cosmetics are the first step for microtransactions.

Good thing no one remembers it as nothing of value was lost.

[Major Arlene]

While the mix up is definitely a bad move on Bethesda's part, I'm really unsure what stance to take on this. If it was promised by a higher up at Bethesda that there would be no microtransactions involved with the game, then yeah, I would blame Bethesda for this. However, a higher up at id promised this instead and ultimately may not have been fully responsible for this. While I don't know how much power a studio working for Bethesda holds over the way extra content is presented monetarily, I don't think id has the final say on these sorts of situations.
Edit: if this is what Hugo said and he didn't have the final say, of course this would be bad as he's making promises that he ultimately has no control over keeping anyway. Different kettle of fish though.

That said, these skins were often limited run, and in the case of the Doomicorn skin, you were already paying for it via Prime Gaming. Skins were earned by playing the game. If you don't play the game to earn the skin, the option being available to buy limited run skins I don't necessarily think is a bad thing. Unless they're forcing people to pay for the skins they earned, I'm not really sure that getting mad at the option being available is a great use of energy. It could probably go for a lower price since it is cosmetic items rather than anything that actually effects game content or play. 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Major Arlene

[CasualScrub]

I do love how everyone immediately wants to choke out Bethesda when these things happen like they're some dark overlord holding ID on puppet strings. Reminds me of the Mick Gordon situation where everyone assumed Bethesda "fucked over" Mick's work when in reality Mick wasn't doing the work on time.

 

ID is not some perfect company, guys. They're not the same ID when Carmack and Romero were there. You have no idea whether this was ID's, Bethesda's, or Microsoft's decision. Regardless, if you don't like these decisions then don't buy the content, vote with your wallet. It's the only way big companies listen and change; it's why No Man's Sky, Fallout 76, and Battlefront II are far better games than when they first released.

 

That's all I've gotta say.

[scalliano]

3 hours ago, Vic Vos said:

Well, it's a Bethesda-published release, so...

[Hunting4r2d2]

Well, there's a public QnA on the DOOM discord later tonight, in case any of you wanna try and bring your concerns directly to Hugo: