Doom Eternal fans give games journalists too much of their energy.

[OpenRift]

52 minutes ago, D4NUK1 said:

And it's up to the viewers to decide. And comparing 2 Doom Eternal fans or reviewers videos, you see the most popular are the one that talk in a objective and positive way that's the ones that are bashing others style play style. So as community we can filter ourselves that's kind of videos.

Are you saying the positive ones are more popular or the ones bashing other people?

[D4NUK1]

31 minutes ago, OpenRift said:

Are you saying the positive ones are more popular or the ones bashing other people?

Well, in my videos feed i see more positive reviews and less click bait rants that's don't fix anything. But numbers don't lie, the bashings one had more views.

Sad, but oh well, at least it's once of a time.

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by D4NUK1

[Rytrik]

13 minutes ago, D4NUK1 said:

Well, in my videos feed i see more positive reviews and less click bait rants that's don't fix anything. But numbers don't lie
 

*Griffin Gaming*

 

*Mayo*

 

To be fair.. Griffin's video is amazing. It's truly one to behold.
 

[D4NUK1]

I mostly dislike the rambling and tone of Griffins videos, but it's just not for me.

[Jacek Bourne]

I don’t want to be annoying however I will be for the sake of grammar. You used the wrong to in the title. It’s meant to be “too”.

[OpenRift]

3 minutes ago, Jacek Bourne said:

I don’t want to be annoying however I will be for the sake of grammar. You used the wrong to in the title. It’s meant to be “too”.

God dammit you're right, fuck

[Jacek Bourne]

2 minutes ago, OpenRift said:

God dammit you're right, fuck

I thank you for fixing it.

[Major Arlene]

6 hours ago, OpenRift said:

Well the thing is, it's not very good commentary. It's more like outrage commentary than something actually insightful.

It doesn't always have to be insightful to have a place on the internet, these days. see: any and all comments following a news article posted on Facebook. again, you don't have to watch it and waste your energy giving them attention if you don't want to.

[OpenRift]

Just now, Major Arlene said:

It doesn't always have to be insightful to have a place on the internet, these days. see: any and all comments following a news article posted on Facebook. again, you don't have to watch it and waste your energy giving them attention if you don't want to.

When you say "them" are you talking about the journalists in question or the people responding to the journalists?

[Major Arlene]

1 minute ago, OpenRift said:

When you say "them" are you talking about the journalists in question or the people responding to the journalists?

the people responding, which I thought was what we were talking about in the first place. game journalists pretty much too tho

[Nine Inch Heels]

7 hours ago, OpenRift said:

Well the thing is, it's not very good commentary. It's more like outrage commentary than something actually insightful.

I think you either overestimate people's abilities to articulate themselves in a productive manner, or you underestimate how many people would rather their biases were catered to as opposed having their minds be changed...

 

You can look all over the internet, any "genre" you could possibly think of, from games critique to "political commentary", and you'll quickly notice that content which happens to cater to the lowest common denominator also happens to attract the most people... Steven Crowder is arguably one of the most idiotic right wing grifters on YT, but he has reach in the millions - and that's not because he's "clever", or because he has his facts straight (he basically never has them straight)... It's because his idiocy taps into a frequency people happen to enjoy, because it makes them feel "right" (heh) and solidifies their psychotic world-views...

 

That's how clicks work more often than anybody could possibly hope, and again, it's not a "Doom'16 problem", it's a very general problem...

Edited May 6, 2021 by Nine Inch Heels

[omx32x]

1 minute ago, Nine Inch Heels said:

I think you either overestimate people's abilities to articular themselves in a productive manner, or you underestimate how many people would rather their biases were catered to as opposed having their minds be changed...

 

You can look all over the internet, any "genre" you could possibly think of, from games critique to "political commentary", and you'll quickly notice that content which happens to cater to the lowest common denominator also happens to attract the most people... Steven Crowder is arguably one of the most idiotic right wing grifters on YT, but he has reach in the millions - and that's not because he's "clever", or because he has his facts straight (he basically never has them straight)... It's because his idiocy taps into a frequency people happen to enjoy, because it makes them feel "right" (heh) and solidifies their psychotic world-views...

 

That's how clicks work more often than anybody could possibly hope, and again, it's not a "Doom'16 problem", it's a very general problem...

tldr people are dumb and you shouldint care too much about what they say

[Major Arlene]

Just now, omalefico32x said:

tldr people are dumb and you shouldint care too much about what they say

I will say I've run across channels like The Right Opinion, j aubrey and iiluminaughtii that have been pretty interesting for commentary and well sourced. as I always say, vet the folks you watch and make smart viewing choices.

[omx32x]

2 minutes ago, Major Arlene said:

I will say I've run across channels like The Right Opinion, j aubrey and iiluminaughtii that have been pretty interesting for commentary and well sourced. as I always say, vet the folks you watch and make smart viewing choices.

i am even more careful with them after the whole pro jared scandal and thats the reason why i stopped watching the right opinion and gamer from mars

today the only ones i really watch is moist critikal and mutahar

[OpenRift]

17 minutes ago, Nine Inch Heels said:

I think you either overestimate people's abilities to articulate themselves in a productive manner, or you underestimate how many people would rather their biases were catered to as opposed having their minds be changed...

  

You can look all over the internet, any "genre" you could possibly think of, from games critique to "political commentary", and you'll quickly notice that content which happens to cater to the lowest common denominator also happens to attract the most people... Steven Crowder is arguably one of the most idiotic right wing grifters on YT, but he has reach in the millions - and that's not because he's "clever", or because he has his facts straight (he basically never has them straight)... It's because his idiocy taps into a frequency people happen to enjoy, because it makes them feel "right" (heh) and solidifies their psychotic world-views...

 

That's how clicks work more often than anybody could possibly hope, and again, it's not a "Doom'16 problem", it's a very general problem...

Oh don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree with you. 

[Major Arlene]

5 minutes ago, omalefico32x said:

i am even more careful with them after the whole pro jared scandal and thats the reason why i stopped watching the right opinion and gamer from mars

today the only ones i really watch is moist critikal and mutahar

ah, I didn't know that- although that video is now two years old and I found a reddit thread only one year old so more evidence could have come out at that time, however that's why I generally always say vet your viewing choices and take anyone doing personal commentary with a giant grain of salt. at the very least they're good jumping-off points for doing your own research on the topic. I personally have no stake in any of that particular bit and a lot of what's listed in the reddit thread is worded in very confusing ways. I also understand TRO addressed this issue later on- mistakes happen, although definite care should be taken when addressing individuals. but anyway, derailed this thread long enough :P

[Rudolph]

1 hour ago, Nine Inch Heels said:

I think you either overestimate people's abilities to articulate themselves in a productive manner, or you underestimate how many people would rather their biases were catered to as opposed having their minds be changed...

 

You can look all over the internet, any "genre" you could possibly think of, from games critique to "political commentary", and you'll quickly notice that content which happens to cater to the lowest common denominator also happens to attract the most people... Steven Crowder is arguably one of the most idiotic right wing grifters on YT, but he has reach in the millions - and that's not because he's "clever", or because he has his facts straight (he basically never has them straight)... It's because his idiocy taps into a frequency people happen to enjoy, because it makes them feel "right" (heh) and solidifies their psychotic world-views...

I hear the real reason is that people like Steven Crowder - or rather his dad, who reportedly still makes decisions for him - have simply figured out how to game YouTube's algorithm and artificially inflate their numbers through bots, among other things.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Rudolph

[OpenRift]

58 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

I hear the real reason is that people like Steven Crowder - or rather his dad, who reportedly still makes decisions for him - have simply figured out how to game YouTube's algorithm and artificially inflate their numbers through bots, among other things.

His DAD you say? Interesting.... Tell me more.

[Nine Inch Heels]

I mean... it's off the rails now anyway, but people understood how the youtube algorithm worked well over a decade ago, so I'm gonna doubt pretty hard that Crowder's success, no matter how underserved, rests squarely on the shoulders of his father who happens to be able to do elementary school maths....

Edited May 7, 2021 by Nine Inch Heels

[Rudolph]

8 minutes ago, Nine Inch Heels said:

I mean... it's off the rails now anyway, but people understood how the youtube algorithm worked well over a decade ago, so I'm gonna doubt pretty hard that Crowder's success, no matter how underserved, rests squarely on the shoulders of his father who happens to be able to do elementary school maths....

Oh no, I am not suggesting that this is just it. Clearly, some people are being backed by rich people with more money than sense and as such are able to get much more exposure (e.g. ads, public events, book deals, etc.) than they would normally be able to. I mean, just look at Milo Yiannopoulos: the moment he lost his backers, he fell off the map and now we barely hear about him anymore.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Rudolph

[Bridgeburner56]

10 hours ago, OpenRift said:

Well the thing is, it's not very good commentary. It's more like outrage commentary than something actually insightful.

First time on the internet huh?

[scalliano]

I'm more partial to Jimmy Dore, personally...

[NoXion]

The anti-journalism thing coming from certain gamers is a bit of a two-sided thing for me. One the one hand, shit like GamerGate is just bugfuck insane. But on the other, it's definitely the case that the relationship between game publishers and certain outlets of game journalism is way too fucking cosy for the good of the paying public. They haven't nearly done enough to highlight the video games' industry's abuses and exploitation, both of their workers and of the customers.

Edited May 7, 2021 by NoXion

[scalliano]

It's detractors call it "access media" or "shill media" for a reason. That said, as much as the guy's social media takes are very much part of the problem, there's no denying Jason Schreier's work in exposing shitty industry practices, particularly when it comes to the treatment of staff. I don't like the guy, but I respect his work.

 

Like I said before, dumb takes and subpar gaming abilities are fine IMO. My issue is when they use their platform to attack players. Like when VG247 referred to those decrying Sony's censorship practices in Japan as "a subhuman species of men". FFS guys, they're weebs. They're harmless. Let them have their fun.

[Rudolph]

2 hours ago, NoXion said:

The anti-journalism thing coming from certain gamers is a bit of a two-sided thing for me. One the one hand, shit like GamerGate is just bugfuck insane. But on the other, it's definitely the case that the relationship between game publishers and certain outlets of game journalism is way too fucking cosy for the good of the paying public. They haven't nearly done enough to highlight the video games' industry's abuses and exploitation, both of their workers and of the customers.

When you think about it, GamerGate was the most bizarro response to legitimate concerns about the gaming industry, i.e. the increasingly dystopian exploitation of workers, games becoming so unnecessarily large that they are bloatwares at this point, predatory practices (e.g. lootboxes, pay-to-win mechanics), the hoarding of intellectual properties with the intent of doing as little as possible with them so that no one else can use them, the industry becoming an essential part of the military-industrial complex (which in many ways the now-forgotten 1992 movie 'Toys' warned us about).

 

But no, like all fascistic movements, Gamergate missed the mark from the start, blamed everything on marginalized people with little actual power and allowed itself to be used as the watchdogs of an oppressive industry that was more than happy to sit back and enjoy the show - because at the end of the day those self-proclaimed crusaders for "ethics in video game journalism" would give the industry their money anyway.

 

Now, I am not saying that everyone who is working in the video game industry is evil, far from it; I for one still play video games and try to support independent developers as best as I can. But it is clear that those who benefit the most (e.g. all-consuming corporations) have a vested interest in maintaining the system as is and in not letting anything get in the way of profit generation - even if it leads us to a second video game crash.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Rudolph

[NoXion]

All too many workers in game development get chewed up by crunch and then spat out by being fired, even if the game they made with the sweat of their brows makes loads of money. I'd like to think that most people (at least here) would recognise that the fault lies with management, but unfortunately the game devs are the ones who get the death threats and hate mail, so that realisation isn't as widely held as I'd like it to be.

[scalliano]

46 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

But no, like all fascistic movements, Gamergate missed the mark from the start, blamed everything on marginalized people with little actual power and allowed itself to be used as the watchdogs of an oppressive industry that was more than happy to sit back and enjoy the show - because at the end of the day those self-proclaimed crusaders for "ethics in video game journalism" would give the industry their money anyway.

 

Really? I must have been reading about an entirely different GamerGate. You know, the one that #NotYourShield became a big part of after all those hitpieces dropped at exactly the same time?

 

Internet shitfights are not fascism. I live in a country with an actual far right contingent, and GG ain't it.

 

This is why you can't cite Wikipedia in academic studies.

[Rudolph]

11 minutes ago, scalliano said:

Really? I must have been reading about an entirely different GamerGate. You know, the one that #NotYourShield became a big part of after all those hitpieces dropped at exactly the same time?

Google "tokenism".

 

And yes, GamerGate was absolutely fascistic: it wasted no time propping up far-right figures such as Milo Yiannopoulos and Davis Aurini as its figureheads, it tried to rehabilitate JACK FUCKING THOMPSON and the whole thing was so blatant that even 4chan tried to distance itself from it.

 

And again, blaming marginalized people with little to no actual power for ruining something that you love, that is textbook fascist rhetoric.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Rudolph

[omx32x]

16 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Google "tokenism".

 

And yes, GamerGate was absolutely fascistic: it wasted no time propping up far-right figures such as Milo Yiannopoulos and Davis Aurini as its figureheads, it tried to rehabilitate JACK FUCKING THOMPSON and the whole thing was so blatant that even 4chan tried to distance itself from it.

 

And again, blaming marginalized people with little to no actual power for ruining something that you love, that is textbook fascist rhetoric.

gamergate was a mess and i like that the gamng community seens to have mostly moved on from it

now its just a few youtubes that say stupid things like "mass effect andromed wasnt bad because of rushed development and lack of direction it was bad because of those damn sjw's" honestely ive seen people using this argument about every game or movie that comes out with you can play or the protagonist is a woman

Edited May 7, 2021 by omalefico32x

[Rudolph]

@omalefico32x Unfortunately, I do not think the gaming community has moved on from GamerGate so much as it has tried to distance itself from it.

 

The frustration, the resentment, the entitlement, the feeling of alienation and aggrievement... it is all very much still there, just waiting for the right circumstances to bubble back up and get weaponized and misdirected by another astroturfing campaign. In fact, I would argue that it already has in light of certain events, but I am reluctant to specify how, as I fear this might be still too fresh and sensitive of a subject.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Rudolph