No More Masks For Fully Vaccinated People!

[roadworx]

8 minutes ago, Gokuma said:

I've put on an old Russian gas mask at work.

i suggest not doing that as a lot of those contain asbestos

 

which sucks cuz they look cool af

Edited May 14, 2021 by roadworx

[Gokuma]

Thanks for the tip.    It seems mostly composed of rubber.   Though seeming never used, the rubber yellowed somewhat sitting in its box and cloth bag for years.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Gokuma

[Major Arlene]

I'm more of a cybergoth gas mask girl, myself.

 

[Gokuma]

I heard there was a deadly gas leak at a cyber goth rave and there were zero casualties. 

[VoanHead]

I've grown comfortable to the face masks, even while double vaccinated I think I'll keep em on. Why? I'm like 20 y/o and I still struggle w/ acne breakouts from stress. Shit is embarrassing, let's just hope by the end of the year it'll be gone w/ the help of this aloe vera cream I've been using.

[Rudolph]

1 hour ago, roadworx said:

i suggest not doing that as a lot of those contain asbestos

Masks that contain asbestos? The irony.

[omx32x]

3 hours ago, Rudolph said:

Even after I get vaccinated, I will keep wearing masks in public and keeping my distances. After all, the COVID-19 vaccine is not supposed to be protecting us from (and preventing us from spreading) the regular flu and other similarly-transmitted diseases.

 

 

fireblu mask lol

[Doomkid]

I'm personally avoiding getting vaccinated because I don't want a bunch of micro chips invented by Bill Gates to start constructing pure communism juice in my bloodstream. NO THANK YOU LIBRALS!!!!!!!!!

[Jello]

3 hours ago, Gokuma said:

Thanks for the tip.    It seems mostly composed of rubber.   Though seeming never used, the rubber yellowed somewhat sitting in its box and cloth bag for years.

I'm assuming it's a GP-5 gas mask. It's the filters designed during the Cold War period that contain asbestos, not the mask itself. So as long as you didn't put a filter on it, you're fine. If you did, as long as it's not one of those giant green filters, you're fine. And even if you did, wearing it once or twice is probably fine. I just wouldn't make a habit of it. The filters are only designed with a shelf life of ten or twenty years when sealed, and 24 hours unsealed. But it is important, the Russians weren't the only ones who used asbestos in gas mask filters, so any of those old filters need to be tossed, sealed or not. And really, anything made before May 13th, 2001 should be thrown out. So use 'em while you got 'em.

 

14 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

I'm personally avoiding getting vaccinated because I don't want a bunch of micro chips invented by Bill Gates to start constructing pure communism juice in my bloodstream. NO THANK YOU LIBRALS!!!!!!!!!

Quite frankly, my 5G reception has never been better. I'll take COVID immunity plus better cellphone reception any day. Now I need to go and make Edge my default browser. In my brain.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Jello

[Redneckerz]

 

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17 hours ago, leejacksonaudio said:

I'm really surprised at what I'm seeing in this thread! I expected to see people saying, "Thank goodness it's finally over! I don't have to wear a mask anymore." Instead, I'm seeing people scared to death at the prospect of going out without a mask, almost to the point of paranoia. I never would have expected this kind of reaction. I wonder why this is the case?

Hospital Guy here,

Because other people are idiots, that's why. People think you have a get-out-of-jail-free card when you are vaccinated. What they don't mention is that although you have significantly reduced risk of getting infected, you can still spread the carrier virus (Sars-Cov2) to others.

 

Hence, i believe this is a hasty and premature decision - only when the entire population is vaccinated should you consider this.

 

17 hours ago, Lol 6 said:

Well..... It's not that I don't like the vaccine, I'd should have said so. What I don't like is the way most people in my country are reacting, they believe that the vaccine will make them immune and, even in my street, they have started to do parties.

Tell them the above. If they don't care, then those are people you should avoid either way.

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And, one thing that concerns me is the time of production, usually the vaccines take between five to x years to be developed.

It is interesting what collective effort and big testing can do. The results are clean and verifiable, so there is nothing to be concerned over, certainly not to doubt.

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So, I'm not that sure... And like I said, you never know how will your body react.

Evert vaccine has expected by-effects. Then there are unexpected, lees positive by-effects. It has been found that the amount of people who get those is procentually so small that you are more likely to develop symptoms from  the flu than a Covid vaccine. 

 

Whats more dangerous is people going out and state that Covid is harmless. You don't know. Every individual body responds differently, and that is procentually larger than getting symptoms from a Covid vaccine.

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But, yeah, maybe I should go for it....

Just go for it. 

13 hours ago, roadworx said:

i still have yet to get the vaccine. not because i don't want it - i do - but i keep forgetting to lol

 

i really need to, hopefully i remember to this weekend

Why do you keep forgetting? Just curious.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Redneckerz
Android loves auto correcting, i don't love manual correcting afterwards.

[Liberation]

3 hours ago, Rudolph said:

Masks that contain asbestos? The irony.

It's the filter element that contains asbestos, which was fine back in the day when new, clearly not good after X period of decades.

[Jello]

8 hours ago, roadworx said:

i still have yet to get the vaccine. not because i don't want it - i do - but i keep forgetting to lol

 

i really need to, hopefully i remember to this weekend

 

I hope so. If you can, just schedule an appointment, write it down, and go. It's kind hard to forget getting a vaccine for a virus that has crippled the world for over a year.

 

This isn't at all directed at you roadworx, but folks in general: If you're scared of shots, this is the lightest shot I've ever had in my life. The nurses said you might feel a sting. By the time they finished their sentence, they were done.

 

I realize I may have different expectations from a shot; several head injuries requiring stinging anesthetic being injected into my bleeding forehead on two occassions so it could be sutured. At least seven injections into an open wound each time. So I know what a painful shot is. Even compared to a flu shot, this is nothing.

 

And I only say this because I know there are people who are deathly afraid of needles. And they might be hesitant because of that. But it is the mildest shot I have ever had. It felt like almost nothing, and it was done within half a second. Minutest pinch, and "Okay, we're done.".

[esselfortium]

10 hours ago, insertwackynamehere said:

There’s an interesting trend I’ve noticed where some people say “trust the experts” if the experts are pessimistic and say “the experts are wrong” if the experts are optimistic.

I remember a year ago when the official line was that masks don't work and you shouldn't wear them.

 

Also, 

 

 

I'm definitely going to keep wearing mine for a while.

[Maes]

14 hours ago, leejacksonaudio said:

See, that's the thing - the CDC says we don't have to, except in very specific circumstances, as long as we're fully vaccinated. They've got the data that says the vaccine works well enough to stop using them in most places.

Interesting. In commie pinko Yurope they say exactly the opposite -vaccinated people can still spread the disease or even catch it -albeit with reduced symptoms-, so masks are here to stay in any case.

 

TBQH I am surprised that an explicit "Masks off!" order has been issued by any government, wearing masks feels more like the sort of measure  that's never explicitly revoked, but only made redundant/unenforceable in practice as time passes and the original crisis is forgotten.

 

1 hour ago, Jello said:

I realize I may have different expectations from a shot; several head injuries requiring stinging anesthetic being injected into my bleeding forehead on two occassions so it could be sutured. At least seven injections into an open wound each time. So I know what a painful shot is. Even compared to a flu shot, this is nothing.

The worse pain may not be necessarily during the shot itself: if you get a thrombosis from AstraZeneca, that reportedly burns like hell, while you feel your arm and leg go numb -if it's there and not in your brain. Without prompt hospitalization, you could end up dead. Even with it, you still might end up crippled. And the kicker? There's nobody you can sue or claim any damages from, they made sure of that. After all the shot is voluntary...no different than walking off a cliff at your own will, apparently.

 

I dunno, I believe a medicine/cure should have side effects proportionate -and lower- to the inconvenience caused by the disease. A good example of a med that did not, was an anti-phlegm medicine that I had encountered while in the Army, obviously NOT formulated to be gentle: among its many, quite undesirable side effects, it included "bleeding from the GI tract".  For all I know it could be 100% effective for the runny nose, but I'd rather have that than shitting blood.

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Maes

[j4rio]

I think people are missing one notable point. By rewarding vaccinated people with lifted sanctions, you drive up vaccinations. Masks themselves don't work sufficiently to curb the spread to non-pandemic levels, so betting all your tokens on driving up vaccinations with these "rewards" has better long term prospects. Sure, ideally you want both masks and vaccinations, but that could slow down vaccinations, because you wouldn't have any real drive to vaccinate if you still have to follow all the rules. You need to think about this like a basic idiotic human being (unless you are one, in that case just think like you usually do), which we (experts) want to get vaccinated.

 

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In commie pinko Yurope they say exactly the opposite -vaccinated people can still spread the disease or even catch it -albeit with reduced symptoms-, so masks are here to stay in any case.

 

Oh you poor commie pinko Yuropean. Only in 'Murica you get vaccines that don't spread the disease. Goddamn, what a heap of bullshit this sentence is.

 

Medicine doesn't work in absolutes, it doesn't work in black and whites. The closest synonym to medicine is statistics. First, vaccinated people have a much, MUCH more reduced chance of transmitting the disease. Second, you can catch every disease while being vaccinated, the key point is that you will survive catching it. Every covid vaccine so far has 100% reduced hospitalisation rates, so at worst you'll have a mild cough. How do you think other vaccines work? Flu shots don't make you immune to flu, but your symptoms of flu while being vaccinated may at worst end up being just a runny nose and mild cough rather than incapacitating you for 2 weeks with horrible full body ache, so you might not even know that you caught flu. The most likely scenario is that you simply don't develop any symptoms at all.

 

Just fyi, CZ (commie pinko Yurope shithole) plans to open up businesses for vaccinated next week. If it ends up working as intended and wouldn't open up floodgates of fake vaccine certificate markets is for another debate.

Edited May 14, 2021 by j4rio

[Maes]

In any case, OUR commie pinko Yuropean guv'nors said that vaccinated people still can transmit the disease and thus everybody must still wear masks, until September at least. These are the standing orders.

 

To vich the average zitigen can only zay "Jawhol, mein Furzer" and carry on. Verstehen?

Edited May 14, 2021 by Maes

[insertwackynamehere]

Yeah I agree with j4rio, the messaging starting back in December was basically garbage like “vaccines are coming but don’t get too excited kiddos”. Really passive aggressive “we’re going to be in hell forever” journalism. It’s contributed to a lot of vaccine hesitancy anecdotally. People saying “what’s the point if the risk downside exists with no reward upside” because frankly if you’re young that’s a fair analysis of being told “get a vaccine but then keep putting your life on hold”. This is now cited by people I know as a reason they won’t get it. They think only the elderly should put up with the risk downside as it’s lesser than the existing risk downside. Their logic is wrong IMO but it’s fed into by the mollycoddling media who decided to pitch vaccines as another civic burden instead of an escape hatch for some idiotic reason.

 

I also hear the line about how you can still get it and spread it. Yeah, at greatly reduced rates. With pretty much infinitely increased chance of survival. All this “well-intentioned” reserved scientist outlook on vaccines is contributing to hesitancy more than the existing contingent of anti-vax people at this point. The anti-vax crowd was a write off from the start. Now I’m seeing people who aren’t anti-vax but don’t think being a guinea pig for this vaccine makes any sense because the news (even and arguably mostly left-leaning news) is pretty much saying that vaccines might kill you every time one person dies who also happened to be vaccinated and pumping out article after article written in a scolding parent voice that you shouldn’t even THINK about returning to normal even when you are fully vaccinated. It’s really frankly disgusting and the cherry on top of the complete mismanagement of the last year.

 

Here is the reality: people already don’t care, not just in US but across the world. The number of people who don’t care grows according to basic social dynamics (one crazy guy not caring might not start a trend but 50% of your peers not caring means maybe you’ll also not care). The only way out is getting people vaccinated in a race against the reality that people are going to return to their lives from fatigue, economic stress, and the fact that the risk/reward of staying the course diminishes over time.

 

If people want to continue to wear masks individually it’s fine, because unlike not wearing a mask, wearing a mask is a personal choice which doesn’t impact everyone around you. But I think a reality check is needed.

Edited May 14, 2021 by insertwackynamehere

[j4rio]

52 minutes ago, Maes said:

In any case, OUR commie pinko Yuropean guv'nors said that vaccinated people still can transmit the disease and thus everybody must still wear masks, until September at least. These are the standing orders.

 

To vich the average citizen can only zay "Jawhol, mein Furzer" and carry on. Verstehen?

 

Well, it's probably the "safest" approach in theory, if there was any incentive for anybody on the verge of caring to get vaccinated. But there's none, so I believe that to be a short-sighted approach.

 

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The worse pain may not be necessarily during the shot itself: if you get a thrombosis from AstraZeneca, that reportedly burns like hell, while you feel your arm and leg go numb -if it's there and not in your brain. Without prompt hospitalization, you could end up dead. Even with it, you still might end up crippled. And the kicker? There's nobody you can sue or claim any damages from, they made sure of that. After all the shot is voluntary...no different than walking off a cliff at your own will, apparently.

 

Again, statistics. The thrombosis event is roughly 1:40000, you dying from covid is about 1:100 (yeah, yeah, I know everybody has a different chance depending on a heap of factors, but let's slap an average value here for the sake of simplicity). The kicker I'm sure pains everyone, so far we could sue the Wuhan Institute of Virology for every covid inflicted death.

 

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I dunno, I believe a medicine/cure should have side effects proportionate -and lower- to the inconvenience caused by the disease. A good example of a med that did not, was an anti-phlegm medicine that I had encountered while in the Army, obviously NOT formulated to be gentle: among its many, quite undesirable side effects, it included "bleeding from the GI tract".  For all I know it could be 100% effective for the runny nose, but I'd rather have that than shitting blood.

 

Statistics. Every drug has this proportion carefully evaluated before reaching general public, and remains monitored basically forever. Your entire skin could come off after you take an ibuprofen tablet, the downside is that it happens to one person out of a few millions. It's the same with everything you get into your body, not just medicines. Some edible plants could kill you, just because you happen to lack some enzyme that would break down some of their chemical content, and you could be the only person in the world that has such a predisposition. We can just generalise everything that happens around us, including every medicine side effect, because there are going to be many outlier freak cases caused by how variable we are by nature.

 

Another point to add - as weird as it sounds, not all drug side effects listed in the list of side effects are caused by the medicine. They are simply effects that people reported to have experienced after taking the drug. People tend to notice every little disturbance when they take a drug and ascribe it to them, even if there was no correlation whatsoever. Of course many of those side effects have a direct correlation, but just because one person reported to have gone schizophrenic after a pain reliever doesn't mean it is automatically the thing to blame. The bureaucracy of drugs however requires them to have all, even these freaky cases listed in their respective information pamphlets.

 

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[Maes]

You know, at least that terrible Army medicine DID carry a list of unwanted side effects. Because -surprise, surprise- even THAT got tested (somehow...on subordinate soldiers who could not refuse, I presume), and it was not a medicine for the general public in the broader definition of the term (AFAIK you couldn't obtain it outside of military channels, the military has its own pharma division).

 

But let's not forget...the Army has an acceptable casualty rate during peacetime (due to training etc.) of up to 10% for people serving in its ranks ;-) Exactly how much is the acceptable one for civilians?

 

The current batch of anti-COVID vaccines are essentially experimental drugs that have received a massive exemption from exhaustive testing protocols -perhaps the first ever in history for a vaccine aimed at the civilian population, since the times of Louis Pasteur, and they are all operating with an emergency approval. I'd say let's not rush -let the "market" weed out the nastiest of the bunch, and the next gen of vaccines will probably be safer -or at least we'll have enough data to accurately put numbers on those side-effect statistics. Let others draw the snake out of its hole, as they say in my necks of the proverbial woods ;-)

 

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Maes

[forgettable pyromaniac]

17 hours ago, leejacksonaudio said:

I'm sure that whatever proof someone requires, some fundie is going to raise hell about it, claiming "it's the mark of the devil" and "666" and all that crap. Bleh.

I can tell you for sure at least one person still thinks this way: my mum. Or at least she disagrees with having to wear a mask, cuz she'll find every damn way to avoid wearing it, even if it means only putting it on when walking by an employee :p She dislikes it prolly cuz a family friend already got the vaccine that basically everyone else likes but she really doesn't like him so she'll find every reason to criticize him, even for the most minuet thing.

Yea, welcome to the USA.

[Rudolph]

4 hours ago, Liberation said:

It's the filter element that contains asbestos, which was fine back in the day when new, clearly not good after X period of decades.

Still, quite ironic given how much of a health hazard asbestos turned out to be. :P

[roadworx]

7 hours ago, Redneckerz said:

Why do you keep forgetting? Just curious.

because adhd is awful

 

i'm writing a note this time so i don't forget again

 

3 hours ago, Maes said:

The current batch of anti-COVID vaccines are essentially experimental drugs that have received a massive exemption from exhaustive testing protocols -perhaps the first ever in history for a vaccine aimed at the civilian population, since the times of Louis Pasteur, and they are all operating with an emergency approval. I'd say let's not rush -let the "market" weed out the nastiest of the bunch, and the next gen of vaccines will probably be safer -or at least we'll have enough data to accurately put numbers on those side-effect statistics. Let others draw the snake out of its hole, as they say in my necks of the proverbial woods ;-)

that's not entirely true. the vaccines, while not having decades of data to show they're Super 100% Safe™, have absolutely been tested a shitload. the only reason they were developed so fast is because the vast majority of time spent developing vaccines consists of trying to convince rich people to fund you. and obviously, because rich people tend to not care about the filthy peasants who get diseases, they don't really give two shits about funding vaccine research.

 

but, in times like this when rich people actually feel threatened by something other than being audited, they'll throw money at whatever viable solution there is

[omx32x]

2 minutes ago, roadworx said:

because adhd is awful

 

i'm writing a note this time so i don't forget again

 

that's not entirely true. the vaccines, while not having decades of data to show they're Super 100% Safe™, have absolutely been tested a shitload. the only reason they were developed so fast is because the vast majority of time spent developing vaccines consists of trying to convince rich people to fund you. and obviously, because rich people tend to not care about the filthy peasants who get diseases, they don't really give two shits about funding vaccine research.

 

but, in times like this when rich people actually feel threatened by something other than being audited, they'll throw money at whatever viable solution there is

oh man adhd truly sucks if it wasnt for my mother i would probaly miss all of the vaccines i took in the last few years that actually reminds me now that i need to get an election card this year i already missed it last year

[Maes]

I admit I'm not the most qualified person to discuss the economics behind vaccine development, but it's the first time I heard that they are basically funded almost like Kickstarter campaigns. I thought the decision -and funds- to pursue research come from the boards of directors and investors in pharma companies, respectively. I don't know if that's what you meant... you almost make it sound as if they have to reach out to random rich people, everytime, to get any work done.

 

Of course, in a capitalist system, nothing prevents a rich person that doesn't give two shits about poor people and their diseases to have a vested interest in a pharma company. So, if you meant them as the ones needing convincing, sure, but you brought nothing new to the table: nobody will develop an unprofitable vaccine, old news.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Maes

[Mr. Freeze]

I can't wait to be able to not wear a mask because masks in 100+ weather are brutally hot.

[Rudolph]

8 hours ago, Redneckerz said:

Hospital Guy here,

Holy shit, really? Things must be scary on your end right now. How are you holding up?

[Major Arlene]

5 minutes ago, Maes said:

I admit I'm not the most qualified person to discuss the economics behind vaccine development, but it's the first time I heard that they are basically funded almost like Kickstarter campaigns. I thought the decision -and funds- to pursue research come from the boards of directors and investors in pharma companies, respectively. I don't know if that's what you meant... you almost make it sound as if they have to reach out to random rich people, everytime, to get any work done.

 

Of course, in a capitalist system, nothing prevents a rich person that doesn't give two shits about poor people and their diseases to have a vested interest in a pharma company. So, if you meant them as the ones needing convincing, sure, but you brought nothing new to the table: nobody will develop an unprofitable vaccine, old news.

Much of scientific studies get their money from grants, at least in university settings where many of those types of studies are done. This isn't to speak for places like Astra-Zeneca and Pfizer, theirs will come from investors, but still, you essentially have to hope people will want to fund you in order to do science. It sucks because this in some cases can create biases or otherwise shady situations (see the Adyi story- thank god the FDA stood their ground on that one.).

[roadworx]

33 minutes ago, omalefico32x said:

oh man adhd truly sucks if it wasnt for my mother i would probaly miss all of the vaccines i took in the last few years that actually reminds me now that i need to get an election card this year i already missed it last year

ugh yeah, i haven't had shots in a while cuz i keep forgetting. i really, REALLY need to start keeping track of this stuff, i don't wanna die from an easily preventable disease like it's 1847

 

29 minutes ago, Major Arlene said:

Much of scientific studies get their money from grants, at least in university settings where many of those types of studies are done. This isn't to speak for places like Astra-Zeneca and Pfizer, theirs will come from investors, but still, you essentially have to hope people will want to fund you in order to do science. It sucks because this in some cases can create biases or otherwise shady situations (see the Adyi story- thank god the FDA stood their ground on that one.).

yep. did you ever notice how the ebola vaccine, which had been in the works for  y e a r s  prior to the really bad epidemic that happened, only got finished and went into production after it spread outside west africa? a coronavirus vaccine has been in the works ever since the sars pandemic (but stalled because that pandemic ended), and mrna vaccines have been in development since the 90s. i'm sure you can see a pattern emerging here

[Redneckerz]

2 hours ago, roadworx said:

because adhd is awful

Notes to live by my friend!

2 hours ago, Rudolph said:

Holy shit, really? Things must be scary on your end right now. How are you holding up?

I am not a direct medic, but as tech management i do get to be in the places where there are patients. It is manageable, but you can tell the hospital is its own little world. Things that still get a lot of resistance outside (like desinfecting your hands, or face masks) have become so common sense in here that its just part of the routine.

 

Its hectic, and my direct co-worker was hit with Covid pretty heavily to the point that he still has Long-covid issues. He now almost works full time again, but it has been what, 3 months since he got it? Dude got it quite bad, which just made it even more clear how important it is that the medics and docs can do their job through the work we do. Thank you for your consideration :)

Edited May 14, 2021 by Redneckerz

[omx32x]

1 minute ago, Redneckerz said:

Notes to live by my friend!

I am not a direct medic, but as tech management i do get to be in the places where there are patients. It is manageable, but you can tell the hospital is its own little world. Things that still get a lot of resistance outside (like desinfecting your hands, or face masks) have become so common sense in here that its just part of the routine.

 

Its hectic, and my direct co-worker was hit with Covid pretty heavily to the point that he still has Long-covid issues. He now almost works full time again, but it has been what, 3 months since he got it? Dude got it quite bad, which just made it even more clear how important it is that the medics and docs can do their job through the work we do. Thank you for your consideration :)

my mother works as a nurse here and the covid pandemic almost made her go insane 

a lot of her friends died  and i saw her crying after coming back to work a lot of times not only that but she said many times she saw someone one day just fine only to see him again days later already dead thats one of the reasons why she decided to left her nursing carrer (she also work with mental health btw) she didnt want to deal with it anymore