who else here uses oblige when they run out of good wads to find and play?

[xvertigox]

On 5/16/2021 at 5:16 AM, VanaheimRanger said:

I have a spreadsheet of maps/wads I plan to play on my YouTube channel with links to each one if you're interested...it's quite a lot.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nOW8OkjsTskX5OIc1ZPTCThWtNZq7s5Y1sAfTt6DWnI/edit?usp=sharing

 

EDIT: Also, for reference, red text indicates things I have already played in the past that I plan to play again.

 

This is an awesome list, thanks heaps for sharing this! For the sake of staying on topic I'll just say yep, I like oblige. I don't play the maps often and tbh I get the most enjoyment from seeing the maps automaps generating than actually playing them.

[TheMightyHeracross]

How the hell do you run out of good WADs to play? Getting through one 32-map megawad in single-player UV is like, a whole month if I'm really focused on it.

Edited May 17, 2021 by TheMightyHeracross

[LateToDOOM2020]

After seeing this post I had no idea that was a thing so I tried it out.
Its pretty fun and impressive that this could be generated.  
If I couldn't find any wads to play It sounds like it would be an option.
I do notice there is a "theme" with the generated wad in how things look and how secrets are designed but I'm not sure if it will change per wad creation.

I have only played 3 levels so far in this wad so I don't know if it will be very different next time.

I cant tell if the software just combines various rooms together and then adds secrets and doorways or how it works.
If it can generate rooms and shapes from scratch that make sense that are not based off templates I could see it being pretty fun,
if its based off limited templates I could see it getting old. 
 

[The BMFG]

On 5/16/2021 at 1:24 AM, Reelvonic said:

i will fart in Obliges general direction

I AM GOING TO CATAPULT A COW AT OBLIGE 

[Rei is now real]

On 5/15/2021 at 3:02 PM, inkoalawetrust said:

Honestly I'm just sitting here waiting to see if anybody will actually say anything positive about Oblige/Obsidian in this thread lol.

I honestly like Oblige. It's pretty fun to fuck around with, and you get wads to play, soooooo

[DavitW]

Yeah, mostly for checking out new gameplay or weapon mods.

[togemax]

I agree to HEVSoldier_nova. Most updates are interesting enough to generate a new episode, or maybe a game, to try it again for some hours.

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

For those of you taking big dumps all over OBLIGE's flayed corpse, it comes in handy quite a bit if you live somewhere where the internet constantly stops working and you aren't in the mood for any of the WADs on your hard drive. In the end, OBLIGE is an impressive and unique program created by people who love DOOM - and for that, it deserves at least some respect.

 

In regards to the man who claims OBLIGE can rival experienced mappers: you'll have to forgive him, he escaped from my lab during the middle of a very important procedure.

Edited June 11, 2021 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Somniac]

I've been messing with OBLIGE for fun recently and while it can create a functional map, something about them just feels off. Like those things where an AI has done a painting, just not quite as bizarre and disturbing.  Its certainly quite impressive and a good way to amuse yourself for a few minutes, wouldn't say I really enjoyed any of the levels it spat out for me.

Edited June 11, 2021 by VisionThing

["JL" was too short]

If you're out of wads to play then why not start mapping yourself?  Serious question.  That also covers @TheMagicMushroomMan's eventuality, above, wherein your internet sucks and you can't download anything for stretches of time.  Get yo'self some UDB and some OTEX and start adding to the world's supply of decent wads to play.

 

[The BMFG]

Just now, jerrysheppy said:

If you're out of wads to play then why not start mapping yourself?  Serious question.  That also covers @TheMagicMushroomMan's eventuality, above, wherein your internet sucks and you can't download anything for stretches of time.  Get yo'self some UDB and some OTEX and start adding to the world's supply of decent wads to play.

 

i do map though. i have released an entire megawad before

["JL" was too short]

Just now, The BMFG said:

i do map though. i have released an entire megawad before

 

Make another one then >:(

 

But seriously, my post there was meant to suggest an alternative to Oblige in general, I wasn't really thinking specifically of you as the OP of this thread.  Sorry if it seemed like I was calling you out personally.

[Maximum Matt]

I'm 'obliged' to say, FUCK computer-generated Doom maps, man

[ReaperAA]

15 minutes ago, Maximum Matt said:

I'm 'obliged' to say, FUCK computer-generated Doom maps, man

 

Still better maps than Maximum Doom :D

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

9 hours ago, jerrysheppy said:

If you're out of wads to play then why not start mapping yourself?  Serious question.  That also covers @TheMagicMushroomMan's eventuality, above, wherein your internet sucks and you can't download anything for stretches of time.  Get yo'self some UDB and some OTEX and start adding to the world's supply of decent wads to play.

 

Not having internet is just as shitty in terms of being a mapper considering the fact that it prevents you from looking up solutions to problems you might be having. And it goes without saying that not everyone likes/cares to map. When I get bored of listening to music, I usually don't pick up a guitar and produce my own album. Just because I want to partake in a hobby doesn't mean I want to start creating things, or even that I have the time required to do that.

[Maximum Matt]

1 hour ago, ReaperAA said:

Still better maps than Maximum Doom :D

Incorrect.  As shitty as Max Doom maps are, at least every one of them was made by a human of some sort

["JL" was too short]

1 hour ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Not having internet is just as shitty in terms of being a mapper considering the fact that it prevents you from looking up solutions to problems you might be having. And it goes without saying that not everyone likes/cares to map. When I get bored of listening to music, I usually don't pick up a guitar and produce my own album. Just because I want to partake in a hobby doesn't mean I want to start creating things, or even that I have the time required to do that.

 

Well, I mean, if anyone doesn't want to map then they don't want to map.  But I really don't think that buying a guitar and learning to play it is an apples-to-apples comparison with trying out Doom mapping, given that one already has a computer and likes Doom.  

 

20 minutes ago, Maximum Matt said:

Incorrect.  As shitty as Max Doom maps are, at least every one of them was made by a human of some sort

 

Are you really saying that no Maximum Doom wad is going to be lower quality (uglier, less fun to play, etc.) than a modern Oblige map?  I'm very much on the side of 'human-made maps > Oblige maps', but anytime I or any other sane person say that, there's the unspoken qualifier that we're speaking of maps made by humans who put an iota of pride and polish into their publicly released work. 

Edited June 12, 2021 by jerrysheppy

[ReaperAA]

1 hour ago, Maximum Matt said:

As shitty as Max Doom maps are, at least every one of them was made by a human of some sort

 

Yeah. But I will still take Obsidian maps over half of the maps present in Max Doom, especially stuff like darkgate, floorceil or some of those broken AF maps.

 

In my opinion, the average obsidian map is better than the average Max Doom map. However, I will say that the best maps in Max Doom are better than any Obsidian map.

Edited June 12, 2021 by ReaperAA

[Doom Dragon]

This is a legitimately disturbing question, that being said, no I never have to do this since I'm terrible at making maps.

[i suck at nicknames]

okay im new to this, whats Oblige?

[The BMFG]

6 hours ago, Maximum Matt said:

Incorrect.  As shitty as Max Doom maps are, at least every one of them was made by a human of some sort

oblige generated maps cant be worse than that "sewers" map in maximum doom

[ENEMY!!!]

I went through a phase of trying out Oblige a couple of years ago.  When I was newfangled it seemed great, but after a while, rather like others mentioned, I found that the maps that it came up with were samey.  I could see merit in using certain aspects of Oblige maps as inspiration for one's human-made maps, or in playing Oblige maps just for something quick and easy, but despite having come a long way, it's still got a fair way to go before it starts rivalling the better human-created maps.

[dasho]

I'm one of the people working on Obsidian, and in my opinion, these are the use cases for Oblige/Obsidian:

-Modders can try making new widgets/traps/etc in the form of prefabs and test them without having to hand-make entire maps

-Gameplay mods which lend themselves well to a rogue-like style of play (nobody complained about a lack of hand-crafted Nethack maps, I don't think)

-The potential to make content for non-Doom id Tech 1 games (Heretic was mentioned...Hexen technically works now but has a barebones level of support. I've been able to make Strife and Hacx wads, but those aren't even available by default due to how nascent their support is)

-To actually try to advance the quality of random map generation for Doom and see what might be possible

-Possibly having a solution to create fresh content in a situation where it might be infeasible to download new maps or where storage is constrained (less likely these days)

 

Trying to rival a human would be a daunting task to say the least, but it's still fun to see what can happen.

 

EDIT: Also, with recent SLUMP integration, a way to do vanilla-compatible random generation in a possibly more convenient manner

 

Edited June 12, 2021 by dasho
Forgot to mention SLUMP integration

[Kes Gaming YT]

On 6/12/2021 at 3:01 AM, Maximum Matt said:

I'm 'obliged' to say, FUCK computer-generated Doom maps, man

Amen

[Kes Gaming YT]

On 6/12/2021 at 6:07 AM, ReaperAA said:

 

Yeah. But I will still take Obsidian maps over half of the maps present in Max Doom, especially stuff like darkgate, floorceil or some of those broken AF maps.

 

In my opinion, the average obsidian map is better than the average Max Doom map. However, I will say that the best maps in Max Doom are better than any Obsidian map.

You are aware that @Nikoxenos is making the sequel to floorceil.wad, right?

Edited June 21, 2021 by Kes Gaming YT

[Kes Gaming YT]

On 5/14/2021 at 10:45 PM, The BMFG said:

just got oblige earlier today because I was running out of good wads to play brutal doom with and I was wondering. how many other people here use oblige for the same thing?. also after seeing some good oblige maps I have decided to take some inspiration from oblige in my next doom maps since tbh oblige maps are better than my current map making skill rn

I'm still relatively new to the Doom community. Almost my one year anniversary actually.

I made a list of every mod/wad/level collection I wanted to check out, and it came to almost 800.

I don't suspect I'll be running out anytime soon.

[ReaperAA]

9 hours ago, Kes Gaming YT said:

You are aware that @Nikoxenos is making the sequel to floorceil.wad, right?

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! [in dramatic Luke Skywalker style]

 

Also this makes me wonder when are you returning to Doom.

[Maximum Matt]

15 hours ago, Kes Gaming YT said:

You are aware that @Nikoxenos is making the sequel to floorceil.wad, right?

Serious??

[Doom House]

On Wad Archive I found what i thought was gonna be an Oblige megawad... turned out to be a terry trap. It's a neat little tool if you want something to just jump into for that Doom fix without searching for an authored wad.

[DuckReconMajor]

No mention of SLIGE??

You don't even have to run it, just download that day's megawad from soulsphere.org!

 

I think the title of this thread was not worded in the best way, but it did succeed prompting a flood of the usual pro-human nonsense you can hear just about anywhere.

Certainly the current procedurally generated maps are limited in the tricks they can pull off, but smart and talented people continue to develop Oblige and its related projects. Auto-generated maps are going to continue getting better.

 

At some point video games will make themselves, and will be so advanced that an abstraction like "video game" will be no longer sufficient to describe them.

At that point am I going to settle for something lesser because "a human made it"?

Only on occasion. And out of sheer novelty. As if you had presented me a cupcake and told me a dog baked it.

Edited June 23, 2021 by DuckReconMajor