Sector lighting falloff

[RetroWolf92]

I am using Ultimate Doom Builder and am curious if there is a plugin that automatically creates sector brightness falloff (that is, the brightness of the following sectors gets progressively darker).

[rouge_means_red]

This button does it:

[RetroWolf92]

Weird, it seems like it's only messing the lighting up further.

Like, the floor is the right gradient, but I can't achieve the same brightness on the ceiling or the walls.

[Bauul]

31 minutes ago, RetroWolf92 said:

Weird, it seems like it's only messing the lighting up further.

Like, the floor is the right gradient, but I can't achieve the same brightness on the ceiling or the walls.

 

What format are you using?

 

UDMF can have independent brightness values for walls, floors, ceilings and the sector as a whole, so it could be you've got those set to specific values by accident.  Alternatively, or if you're working in the vanilla Doom map format, it could be the fake-contrast: walls oriented parallel to the east-west axis are made darker, while walls parallel to the north-south axis are made brighter.

 

Regarding the Brightness Gradient tool, IIRC it works by setting the lighting of each sector to an even distribution between the first sector selected and the last.  When you select sectors in UDB you'll see they're labelled numerically (1, 2, 3... etc.).  The gradient is calculated by comparing the sector labeled 1 to the sector with the highest number.

Edited May 25, 2021 by Bauul

[RetroWolf92]

I'm using UDMF and the brightness settings are confusing me, because 0 brightness on one wall looks darker or brighter than 0 brightness on another.

[Bauul]

8 minutes ago, RetroWolf92 said:

I'm using UDMF and the brightness settings are confusing me, because 0 brightness on one wall looks darker or brighter than 0 brightness on another.

 

Wall brightness can be a little confusing to begin with in UDMF.  By default, all walls will take their brightness from the basic sector brightness.  If you want to, you can set specific wall brightnesses, but you don't have to.  So generally I would leave it alone unless you specifically want to change the brightness of a wall independently.

 

When you do, there are two options: Relative and Absolute (the latter is activated by clicking the associated button next to the Brightness option in the Sidedef menu).  Relative brightness is the default, and means you are either adding or subtracting from the current sector brightness.  So a wall brightness of "0" just means "whatever the sector brightness is".  While a wall brightness of "10" means "10 brighter than the sector".

 

If you hit the "Absolute" button, then the value becomes the literal value of the brightness: 0 is pitch black while 256 is full-bright.  

 

Finally, fake-contrast will add additional brightness or darkness to any walls that are at the affected angles.  To turn that off, hit the "Even Lighting" button at the bottom of the Sidedef window.

Edited May 25, 2021 by Bauul

[RetroWolf92]

Seems like it's working properly now, thank both of you!

 

One more question, though...

I know how to set things like random chance or tier based luck through Decorate, example ":oh this monster will do this weaker attack but on rare occasion it will do an uber powerful one!", but I'm wondering if it's possible to do the same thing with map script?

[RetroWolf92]

No, no wait... something's still up.

 

I've taken screenshots here of what the brightness levels are supposed to look like compared to what they actually look like in game.

[yakfak]

a lot of the lighting values near zero are practically zero themselves, try starting with 48 as the minimum <3

[Gez]

Fun fact, the effect that turns lights off (as seen with the light switches in The Focus, for example) actually set the light level to 35. Not 0.

[Bauul]

13 hours ago, RetroWolf92 said:

No, no wait... something's still up.

 

I've taken screenshots here of what the brightness levels are supposed to look like compared to what they actually look like in game.

 

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to show here.  What's wrong with the light values?  They look like they're reflecting the editor shot quite accurately.  Can you explain more specifically what you're trying to achieve?

 

A couple of things to consider:

 

1) GZDoom has a few different lightmodes that change how much sectors fall to darkness at a distance.  Have a play in the Display settings and find one you like the best.  If you like you can then set it in the Mapinfo so everyone playing the map will experience the same lighting.

 

2) It looks like your brightness falls off very sharply - you can change this by picking between "linear", "sine-in" and "sine-out" next to the brightness gradient option when applying it.  It looks like you're using one of the sines, when linear might suit you better.

[RetroWolf92]

I should have clarified a few things early on:

 

1) I am using Linear falloff

2) I am running on Zandronum.

 

And what I was trying to point out with the screenshot is that the lighting is perfectly even on the later halls, but this one has one out of place pitch black wall on the left side. Nothing I have tried has corrected this.

Edited May 25, 2021 by RetroWolf92

[Vermil]

Possibly Doom's fake contrast?

Edited May 25, 2021 by Vermil

[RetroWolf92]

9 minutes ago, Vermil said:

Possibly Doom's fake contrast?

Negative, just tested.

[Bauul]

40 minutes ago, RetroWolf92 said:

And what I was trying to point out with the screenshot is that the lighting is perfectly even on the later halls, but this one has one out of place pitch black wall on the left side. Nothing I have tried has corrected this.

 

I'm looking through your screenshots and I'm afraid can't see any "pitch black walls on the left side". Every left-hand wall in your shots seems to match the sector brightness.  Where specifically are you seeing this? 

[RetroWolf92]

19 minutes ago, Bauul said:

 

I'm looking through your screenshots and I'm afraid can't see any "pitch black walls on the left side". Every left-hand wall in your shots seems to match the sector brightness.  Where specifically are you seeing this? 

Look at the first screenshot at the top, it's admittedly a little hard to spot.

But compared to the others, there's not even a hint of texture visible from the distance on the first screenshot.

But there is on the others.

[Albertoni]

19 hours ago, RetroWolf92 said:

I'm wondering if it's possible to do the same thing with map script?

 

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Random

 

if (Random(0,1)) is a 50% chance. Random(0,2) would make it a 66% chance. Random(0,3) would make it 75% and so on. Of course, you can get a lot more elaborate if needed.

[RetroWolf92]

Fixed the hallway lighting issue, just set the actual wall brightness up and it looks fine.

 

Another question, how do I go about adding to an integer value?

 

I know you can set a global integer value to whatever number, but I specifically want a script to add +1 to it every time it is run.

[smeghammer]

generally, any language can increment. E.g. ACS:

global int 1:x;

script 100 ENTER{
	x=1;
}

/* called on crossing a line or whatever, adds 1 to the current value of x */
script 1(void){
    x++;
}

/* will log whatever the current value of x is */
script 2(void){
    log(i:x);
}

Is this what you mean?

 

Edited May 27, 2021 by smeghammer
corrected ACS syntax

[RetroWolf92]

1 hour ago, smeghammer said:

generally, any language can increment. E.g. ACS:

global int 1:x;

script 100 ENTER{
	x=1;
}

/* called on crossing a line or whatever, adds 1 to the current value of x */
script 1(void){
    x++;
}

/* will log whatever the current value of x is */
script 2(void){
    log(i:x);
}

Is this what you mean?

 

 

More like I 'm trying to do is do program a script so I can do something akin to a puzzle script.

Like, knock on this wall 4 times to do X.

[smeghammer]

8 hours ago, RetroWolf92 said:

 

More like I 'm trying to do is do program a script so I can do something akin to a puzzle script.

Like, knock on this wall 4 times to do X.

You didn't say why you wanted to increment... Each wall tap will increment your global as per the above. The tappy script should additionally test for value of x on each tap on the wall prior to incrementing. If the global var value is 4 then perform action x. You will likely need to check if action x is already performed too so as not to repeat it (unless it should repeat of course). 

Edited May 28, 2021 by smeghammer

[smeghammer]

here is a quick demo script showing a way to do this (to 3, not 4):
 

global int 1:x;
global bool 2:raised;

script 100 ENTER{
    x=1;
    raised = FALSE;
}

script 1 (int direction){
    if(direction){
        if(x<3){
            x++;
        }
    }
    else{
        if(x>0){
            x--;
        }
    }
    log(i:x);
    if(x==3 &! raised){
        log(s:"raising...");
        raised = TRUE;
        Ceiling_RaiseByValue(1,12,64);
    }
    if(x==0 && raised){
        log(s:"lowering...");
        raised = FALSE;
        Ceiling_LowerByValue(1,12,64);
    }
}

I have two switches with SR action 80 calling script 1. One passes 1 (==TRUE) the other passes 0 (==FALSE). The repeated pressing of the switches will count up or down, and when the up or down limit is reached, the door is raised or lowered accordingly.

 

There is also a flag to prevent the door lowering or raising further if it has already lowered or raised.

 

Demo PK3 found here.

 

Edited May 28, 2021 by smeghammer