Eternal Doom/Team Eternal and TeamTNT (Piecing History Together)

[Dusty_Rhodes]

1 hour ago, Redneckerz said:

They aren't listed because the author might be trickled into posting again. But in recent times this has waned.

 

EDIT: Apparently the author is still working on it given the 2021 fixtures.

 

Find here.

Wow thanks man. Mystery solved!

[JadingTsunami]

Oh, one thing that may be of interest here that is tangential to the history of Eternal Doom is a follow-on project Team TNT did originally called COVERS but later changed to "The Return." There was a desire both to make use of the assets developed for Eternal Doom as well as showcase the limits of what Boom/PrBoom could do. If memory serves, simultaneous to the release, assets from Eternal Doom were made available as a standalone resource pack.

[Vorpal]

2 hours ago, JadingTsunami said:

tangential to the history of Eternal Doom is a follow-on project Team TNT did originally called COVERS but later changed to "The Return." 

 

another tangent regarding tnt and incomplete projects... they teased a huge story writeup for a project called "Ragnorok" and a Rich Nagel song embedded in the page (can't remember if it's a rehash from another project or original for Ragnorok), but no other assets were worked on to my knowledge. Presumably they were going for something similar in scope to Eternal but this is about where the team fractured/dissolved and lost wind, alas!

[JadingTsunami]

5 minutes ago, Vorpal said:

 

another tangent regarding tnt and incomplete projects... they teased a huge story writeup for a project called "Ragnorok" and a Rich Nagel song embedded in the page (can't remember if it's a rehash from another project or original for Ragnorok), but no other assets were worked on to my knowledge. Presumably they were going for something similar in scope to Eternal but this is about where the team fractured/dissolved and lost wind, alas!

 

Yes, this is true - in fact the interview I mentioned earlier in the thread with TNTFatal covers Ragnarok as well. I don't have a copy unfortunately.

 

Sadly I don't have anything else about this, except an ancient excerpt from an IRC chat with Bob Evans (it doesn't really say anything particularly interesting). I think I recall seeing early screenshots at one point. If I recall correctly there was an axe weapon and some lava effects that were vaguely Quake-like, and lava flows. From what I remember, the idea would have looked and played something like REKKR did at least in its core essence.

 

But these are just distant and hazy recollections from long, long ago I'm afraid. Others may jump in and correct me if they remember more from around that time.

[roadworx]

we really gotta get all of this on the wiki

 

should i start a page for team eternal? (can i even do that as a non-registered user?)

Edited June 10, 2021 by roadworx

[Catpho]

26 minutes ago, roadworx said:

we really gotta get all of this on the wiki

 

should i start a page for team eternal? (can i even do that as a non-registered user?)

The point of a wiki is that anyone can edit, so yes :) It'll show your ip address tho, so register if you don't want that (it's quick anyway?)

[matador]

Excellent thread! I love Eternal Doom and there's lots of cool info here. I found something that might be of interest - an old thread where Rich Nagel talks about the history of some of the songs he wrote for Eternal Doom
 

 

[Diabolución]

I would like to document in this post the three standalone releases of Eternal Doom, for future reference.

 

First release:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 jschuur ftp-id 4823408 Aug 2 05:54 eternal.zip

4d0c27beefcea6012608ee11d8fc85bb2e244a9e

https://doomshack.org/uploads/eternal__01081996.zip 

 

Second release:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 thldrmn ftp-id 8083328 Feb 4 1997 eternal.zip

c935989161e7d372a61243dd8e762cb0e407806f

https://doomshack.org/uploads/eternal__31011997.zip

 

Third and final release:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 idgmaint idgames 9465652 Nov 14 1997 eternal.zip

2388fc9dcf26852cee6d743e09d507687f8edcea

https://www.gamers.org/pub/idgames/themes/TeamTNT/eternal/eternal.zip

Edited June 10, 2021 by Diabolución
Replace ‘full’ with ‘standalone’.

["JL" was too short]

21 hours ago, JadingTsunami said:

 

Yes, this is true - in fact the interview I mentioned earlier in the thread with TNTFatal covers Ragnarok as well. I don't have a copy unfortunately.

 

Sadly I don't have anything else about this, except an ancient excerpt from an IRC chat with Bob Evans (it doesn't really say anything particularly interesting). I think I recall seeing early screenshots at one point. If I recall correctly there was an axe weapon and some lava effects that were vaguely Quake-like, and lava flows. From what I remember, the idea would have looked and played something like REKKR did at least in its core essence.

 

But these are just distant and hazy recollections from long, long ago I'm afraid. Others may jump in and correct me if they remember more from around that time.

 

REKKR made me think of Ragnarok when it came out, too.

 

Man, TeamTNT's website teased a lot of future projects that ended up never happening.  Nowadays, of course, major team projects being obliterated by development hell is regrettably common.  But TeamTNT had so many massive successful releases that you never would have picked them to be the ones writing checks that they couldn't cash.

[Michael Jensen]

23 hours ago, Vorpal said:

 

another tangent regarding tnt and incomplete projects... they teased a huge story writeup for a project called "Ragnorok" and a Rich Nagel song embedded in the page (can't remember if it's a rehash from another project or original for Ragnorok), but no other assets were worked on to my knowledge. Presumably they were going for something similar in scope to Eternal but this is about where the team fractured/dissolved and lost wind, alas!

 

I'm thinking about writing another , uhm... thing, this time putting together history of TeamTNT, if anyone wants it, that is.

Right now I'm in looking through all that archived usenet stuff. I might find some non-well known information there.

 

As far as Ragnarok is concerned, Ty talked about it a lot in the 5 Years of Doom interview. 

 

It was started sometime after the release of Icarus and was always intended to be a mod/total conversion. All-new textures, sprites, levels, music, monsters, different palette,... Also a lot of DeHackEd stuff. 

By the time of the interview, 25% of the work was done in the planning a designing stages. Original release schedule was around 1997, but it was later pushed to 1999.

At this point, it was going to make full use of the new Boom engine's capabilities.

 

In January 1999, development was put on hold, as the team decided to focus on their new project, OGRE (the Open Gaming Resource Engine). Ragnarok was going to be restarted and developed specifically for OGRE. 

 

And then in 2007: "We begin a permanent hold... Update 14 Oct 2007: Actually we quit doing anything on this years ago and even used some of the "spare  parts" in Daedalus.  Don't plan to ever see this one."

 

At some point they released the first 8 chapters of the story. You can check it out on their site. 

Edited June 10, 2021 by A.H. Sankhatayan

["JL" was too short]

1 hour ago, A.H. Sankhatayan said:

 

In January 1999, development was put on hold, as the team decided to focus on their new project, OGRE (the Open Gaming Resource Engine). Ragnarok was going to be restarted and developed specifically for OGRE. 

 

Haha, I'd forgotten about that. Ironic that one project was development helled by another project that, as far as I know, also crumbled into obscurity.

 

🎵 It's the circle of life 🎵

 

 

[Michael Jensen]

More edits to OP: Added various info about the ED music, from the thread @matador linked.

Later I intend to add information about post EDIII release stuff i.e. Rich Nagel's DeHackEd patch for EDIII, Eternal Deathmatch, ED Soundtrack release.

Also a section about what original TE members did once the teams merged (including EDIV). Stay tuned! 

 

On 6/10/2021 at 2:07 AM, roadworx said:

we really gotta get all of this on the wiki

 

should i start a page for team eternal? (can i even do that as a non-registered user?)

That would be great. I actually wanted to become a wiki contributor, but I thought my english skills aren't up to the professional standard it has. 

[Diabolución]

8 hours ago, A.H. Sankhatayan said:

That would be great. I actually wanted to become a wiki contributor, but I thought my english skills aren't up to the professional standard it has.

 

Be bold, don’t shy away from contributing.

 

The highlight is mine.

 

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