Discussion About Realm667

[roadworx]

2 minutes ago, Cacodemon345 said:

He didn't shut down the site, the host for the the site did temporarily.

so they shut the website down without notifying him in advance? i don't think that's how it works

 

1 minute ago, DavetheDoomguy said:

 

How many times has he shut the site down over the years? 

at least three times, to my knowledge. i'm sure there's been more tho

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

10 minutes ago, roadworx said:

how convenient of that to happen right after his reputation is flushed down the shitter

 

idk why he keeps shutting the site down whenever drama happens, maybe as a way of warning us that he can shut it down for good? no idea

 

>Be Torm

>Close down r667

>"I totally didn't do that, it was the host!"

>More drama

>Torm is temporarily satisfied

>"The website is back and running now, the host fixed it!"

Edited June 9, 2021 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Doomkid]

While I have no intention of starting an R667-like repository, Doomshack.org was created as a place to host wads and other Doomy things, including weapons/monsters/etc. Feel free to upload any bits and pieces there in the interest of preservation. They will then be parsed by Wad-archive.com shortly thereafter. I have no intention of ever shutting down Doomshack and I have a feeling WadArchive feels the same way, so this should be a decent long-term solution.

[Dweller Dark]

1 minute ago, roadworx said:

so they shut the website down without notifying him in advance? i don't think that's how it works

 

at least three times, to my knowledge. i'm sure there's been more tho

 

Have those three times been because of drama? I can't say I know much of previous drama surrounding Torm and R667 since I only joined last year.

[Yugiboy85]

The site is fine. Guess it was temporary. This thread is therefore not needed anymore. 

I already saw a few people turning it into torm drama yet again.

[Doomkid]

Personally, I still think it's necessary for everyone to share what assets they have and places to mirror them, we can do that without any further blabbing about the Torm drama (can't we? I think so, but maybe not.)

[roadworx]

4 minutes ago, Yugiboy85 said:

The site is fine. Guess it was temporary. This thread is therefore not needed anymore. 

I already saw a few people turning it into torm drama yet again.

no, it's definitely needed

[Dweller Dark]

2 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

Personally, I still think it's necessary for everyone to share what assets they have and places to mirror them, we can do that without any further blabbing about the Torm drama (can't we? I think so, but maybe not.)

 

I agree. If it's community content, it needs to be protected (unless it's harmful or offensive content) and able to be accessed by the community. Who knows what would have been lost had R667 gone down permanently?

[Yugiboy85]

I guess it's a fair point for the content, but, as doomkid rightfully said, the drama part is unnecessary.

[Biodegradable]

Regardless of what happens with Realm667 at this point, be it Torm pulled the plug on it out of spite or brings it back online again before you can bat an eyelid, it being down will be an inconvenience at best. I trust in the diligence and resourcefulness of this community with its experiences in long-term archiving efforts.

[DarkTemplar]

I can remember that the Realm was down even more often and not connected to any drama before so I guess the downtime can be legit and must not be connected to recent drama.

 

Hosters sometimes move from one server to another, change PHP versions or upgrade infrastructure. The 503 error from today doesn’t seem to me like something Torm did but more like such a hosting change (I am hosting pages myself so I know what I am talking about).

 

Anyway, it’s back online and works, so who cares? 

[QuotePilgrim]

30 minutes ago, roadworx said:

so they shut the website down without notifying him in advance? i don't think that's how it works 

It pretty much is.

[Doom64hunter]

Creating a new repository that is more central to the Doom community is a good idea regardless of whatever drama may have happened, especially when the host indicates he doesn't want to spend much time with the game anymore.

[TheMightyHeracross]

Just copped everything from the repository after I heard the site went back online. Here.

[Devalaous]

Never let an important archive of content solely be provided by one person, especially in today's era of thin-skinned easily offended rage-driven shit slinging society. All it takes is one emotional breakdown and you potentially lose everything.

[wallabra]

1 hour ago, roadworx said:

no, it's definitely needed

 

You mean merely because it was run by Tormentor? I really don't like the guy, but I love to play the devil's advocate myself sometimes. I don't see the point in shutting down an online resource in particular due to the involvement of a person in it. I'd be totally behind that if the resource itself were harmful in context. It seems many people have directly associated their perception of an individual (even if this perception is perfectly right and on point) with that of works and other things that are associated with said individual, sometimes even remotely so. We see that quite a bit with things like deplatforming¹, it almost feels like a witch hunting.

 

I do have an example in mind, but I shudder and hesitate to actually post it, as it'd mean risking reductio ad Hitlerum, not to mention that this would be hypocritical in that said person was later also quite proficient in the art of destroying and burning other people's arts in an anti-cultural act of selection (what one could somewhat call cultural eugenics).

 

Still, that is just me being the devil's advocate. I'm usually all in for games having their violence and their snap-back-to-reality moments, but I'd much rather have respectul homages, than... this. This ungodly mess is the antithesis of respect. It reeks scornful laughter in the face of real suffering, and breaks the fourth wall in the worst, most despicable ways possible.

 

^{¹ I mean particularly when a person is removed from an online platform, especially social media, over an expression of subjective views that upsets the majority of those who wound up as said person's audience. I'm not referring to Tormentor, or in that vein to anything specific in particular - if he has damaged the community and transgressed values of decency to am unacceptable degree, removed he shall be.}

Edited June 9, 2021 by Gustavo6046

[Gez]

Just now, Gustavo6046 said:

I don't see the point in shutting down an online resource in particular due to the involvement of a person in it.

It's not about shutting down Realm667, it's about redundancy in case Realm667 shuts down.

 

It's like, you don't make backups on services like Dropbox or Googledrive because you want your hard drive to crash, you make backups so that you still have your stuff in case your hard drive crashes anyway, regardless of what you want.

[wallabra]

Oh, I must have misinterpreted the original message, then. My mistake. Yes, redundancy is always beneficient.

 

I stand corrected, as do stand my other points still.

 

If Torm himself pulled the plug on Realm667, then yes, shame on him for being so emotional and immature. My first paragraph is then somewhat awkward, although it's still valid I suppose.

 

EDIT: Too bad I already hit my daily reaction limit. I want to acknowledge my mistake. I'm not being sarcastic.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Gustavo6046

[SiMpLeToNiUm]

I think you're misunderstanding what's happening. Alternatives to R667 are being proposed. I don't think anyone here is advocating for R667 being taken down, however this situation does seem to present the possibility of a repository with more diluted ownership potentially being an attractive option going forward.

[roadworx]

3 minutes ago, Gez said:

It's not about shutting down Realm667, it's about redundancy in case Realm667 shuts down.

 

It's like, you don't make backups on services like Dropbox or Googledrive because you want your hard drive to crash, you make backups so that you still have your stuff in case your hard drive crashes anyway, regardless of what you want.

yeah, pretty much this. i didn't mean we need a thread dedicated to shitting all over torm

[wallabra]

12 minutes ago, roadworx said:

i didn't mean we need a thread dedicated to shitting all over torm

 

A mod dedicated to mocking him would have been fun. It'd also be quite a fitting "homage". :P

Edited June 9, 2021 by Gustavo6046

[Liberation]

The site is back online and preparations are being made for a mirror/back up.

I think this thread can be locked for the time being. 

[Mordeth]

2 hours ago, DarkTemplar said:

Anyway, it’s back online and works, so who cares? 

 

@DarkTemplar Tormentor667, while I was OK with you creating a new account solely for contacting me, I'm sure not OK with you using that account as a sockpuppet.