Why did John Romero make an episode for Ultimate Doom (Sigil) and not a separate IWAD?

[lokbustam257]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/IWAD

[P41R47]

10 hours ago, OniriA said:

He's actually busy with Sigil 2, a full 32 map megawad for Doom 2.

The lord is trying to conquer all the Dooming world!!!

:O

[Gez]

14 hours ago, Murdoch said:

Right so exactly as I suspected, it's loading Doom.wad then Sigil as a PWAD.

Yes, it's the same mechanism used to offer Deathkings of the Dark Citadel as an IWAD that drfrag reused for Sigil.

[1Destro3456]

Probably because it would need to create new sprites, textures, etc. Because copyright 

[Pixel Fiend]

Guess what I feel like playing now that you brought this up.

 

Good. Sigil is eternal. 

 

11 hours ago, OniriA said:

He's actually busy with Sigil 2

 

Biggest dream. Another map pack that captures that magic.

[Bauul]

17 hours ago, doomguykiller69 said:

It would be cool a new IWAD "canon" for Doom, maybe I'm crazy haha

 

I suspect you aren't properly grasping what an IWAD is from a technical perspective, it's nothing to do with a map pack being "canon" or not. 

 

An IWAD must contain all the assets required for the game to run: not just maps, but sprites, textures, sounds, graphics, everything.

 

Romero doesn't have the rights to distribute Doom assets, so he'd have to make his own versions of all the assets if he wanted to release Sigil as an IWAD. And if he did that, there wouldn't be any Doom left in it, so it couldn't be "canon" anyway as it would be a different game than Doom.

 

The only way this could ever be released as an IWAD and considered an official part of the game would be if Bethesda themselves released it bundled into the Doom.wad commercial IWAD along with the other episodes, and updated the .exe to handle five episodes for Doom 1.

 

And given the official modern port already includes it as a free add-on, they have absolutely no incentive to do that. 

[doomguykiller69]

25 minutes ago, Bauul said:

 

I suspect you aren't properly grasping what an IWAD is from a technical perspective, it's nothing to do with a map pack being "canon" or not. 

  

An IWAD must contain all the assets required for the game to run: not just maps, but sprites, textures, sounds, graphics, everything.

  

Romero doesn't have the rights to distribute Doom assets, so he'd have to make his own versions of all the assets if he wanted to release Sigil as an IWAD. And if he did that, there wouldn't be any Doom left in it, so it couldn't be "canon" anyway as it would be a different game than Doom.

  

The only way this could ever be released as an IWAD and considered an official part of the game would be if Bethesda themselves released it bundled into the Doom.wad commercial IWAD along with the other episodes, and updated the .exe to handle five episodes for Doom 1.

  

And given the official modern port already includes it as a free add-on, they have absolutely no incentive to do that. 

I understand it, they put new demons in doom 2016 2020 and doom3, if John Romero changed everything with the excuse that "it is the deepest part of hell, everything changes down there" it would seem like a good idea and I would take it as canon, even though actually Sigil for what I know is already canon for many, it would only have been interesting if it was a separate iwad and not an extra file for doom ultimate

Edited July 19, 2021 by doomguykiller69

[Boaby Kenobi]

16 hours ago, P41R47 said:

new maps Romero made are a way to bitch out the other mappers from Ultimate Doom and completely make Ultimate Doom his own game

 

But remember guys, this mapset comes with a si6il_compt.wad that replaces E3 completely.

 

That compat.wad is simply for source ports that cannot run the Sigil maps. It's nothing to do with Romero "making Doom his own game".

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Boaby Kenobi

[P41R47]

42 minutes ago, Boaby Kenobi said:

 

That compat.wad is simply for source ports that cannot run the Sigil maps. It's nothing to do with Romero "making Doom his own game".

 

Strange that you did't catched the joke behind that comment having you the Pic of one of the best jokes ever made.

[BlueThunder]

17 hours ago, P41R47 said:

Most people doesn't notice it, but the new maps Romero made are a way to bitch out the other mappers from Ultimate Doom and completely make Ultimate Doom his own game.

 

''what the heck are you talking, P41R47?''

 

So your saying that John Romero wants to make The Ultimate Doom his bitch?

Edited July 19, 2021 by BlueThunder

[Bridgeburner56]

4 hours ago, doomguykiller69 said:

I understand it, they put new demons in doom 2016 2020 and doom3, if John Romero changed everything with the excuse that "it is the deepest part of hell, everything changes down there" it would seem like a good idea and I would take it as canon, even though actually Sigil for what I know is already canon for many, it would only have been interesting if it was a separate iwad and not an extra file for doom ultimate

I'm sorry what?

[P41R47]

39 minutes ago, BlueThunder said:

So your saying that John Romero wants to make The Ultimate Doom his bitch?

Totally!

and so we are surrending to be his bitches, too.
:P

[OniriA]

11 minutes ago, Bridgeburner56 said:

U wot m8?

 

*Corrected*