help please

[crispdoom]

hello i have a copy of doom 1 shareware on 2 3.5 disks when i tried to install it it wont generate the wad file every else generates heres the box  this shareware version is 1.2 but cant play it

[roadworx]

have you tried manually copying the files over? idk how big the wad file is - larger than 1.4mb i assume - but maybe there's a chance that it's a whole file and not split across the two disks

[OniriA]

Just open the cd with Deamon tools and you should be able to extract the wad from within. 

[crispdoom]

roadworx i did copy the files to my hard drive installed it ran from dosbox still no was file

[crispdoom]

oniria it isnt cd its floppy disks

[crispdoom]

also road worx most early shareware wads were under 1.44 MB

[Kappes Buur]

Until Aug 24 you can buy DOOM2 on Steam for C$ 1.37

or the classic DOOM bundle for C$ 4.24.

 

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2300/DOOM_II/

Edited August 13, 2021 by DOOM mapping enthusiast

[Chip]

@crispdoom please quote the writers or ping them. they wrote their response well over a week ago and probably don't remember writing in this thread. also, don't multipost. either click the multiquote button next to quote, or just type everything in one post separating it by paragraphs. if you have an idea you want to add after posting, use the edit button to edit your post. 

[j0lt]

...I'm pretty sure that's my picture.

[Edward850]

2 hours ago, j0lt said:

...I'm pretty sure that's my picture.

Sure enough, that's straight up your picture. A reverse image search reveals you posted it in 2010 on moddb:

On 8/3/2021 at 10:40 AM, crispdoom said:



https://www.moddb.com/games/doom/images/doom-shareware-box

 

@crispdoom If the installer is extracting everything except for the WAD file, it's entirely possible your disk have started to suffer from bit rot, as floppy disks will have their contents demagnetise over time (you actually need to rewrite the contents of a floppy to maintain it). Those disks will be nearing 30 years old soon.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Edward850

[Dubbag]

1 hour ago, Edward850 said:

it's entirely possible your disk have started to suffer from bit rot, as floppy disks will have their contents demagnetize over time (you actually need to rewrite the contents of a floppy to maintain it). Those disks will be nearing 30 years old soon.

that's really interesting actually.

[fraggle]

The Doom 1.2 shareware install files are here. It will be easier to just install from that instead of trying to use old floppy disks which may be corrupted.

 

Other than that it's hard to provide much useful advice because your comments are really vague and don't have the detail needed to figure out what the problem is. Just saying "I can't play it" tells us nothing. If you want someone to help you then you need to describe what the problem is, what steps you've taken to try to solve the problem, and what happened when you tried. Provide as much detail as possible, including full copies of error messages where you've seen them, screenshots and so on.

[j0lt]

Yeah, I'm suspicious. Why would you use my picture as part of your claim. Do you not have a picture of your own shareware box (or disks, for that matter)?

[crispdoom]

On 8/14/2021 at 2:03 AM, Edward850 said:

Sure enough, that's straight up your picture. A reverse image search reveals you posted it in 2010 on moddb:

https://www.moddb.com/games/doom/images/doom-shareware-box

 

@crispdoom If the installer is extracting everything except for the WAD file, it's entirely possible your disk have started to suffer from bit rot, as floppy disks will have their contents demagnetise over time (you actually need to rewrite the contents of a floppy to maintain it). Those disks will be nearing 30 years old soon.

 

i cant take the picture of the box since i dont know where my phone is  what do mean rewrite like i will try send the zip file with the contents of the both of floppys or like put the installers in a new fresh floppy disks

Edited August 24, 2021 by crispdoom

[crispdoom]

On 8/14/2021 at 3:57 PM, j0lt said:

Yeah, I'm suspicious. Why would you use my picture as part of your claim. Do you not have a picture of your own shareware box (or disks, for that matter)?

so i have no phone right now sorry i had used someone elses image 

[P41R47]

 

1 minute ago, crispdoom said:

so i have no phone right now sorry i had used someone elses image 

you can download the content of the floppy disk from this link:
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/historic/doom1_2

 

it will be the same as extracting it from the disk.

Edited August 24, 2021 by P41R47

[crispdoom]

On 8/14/2021 at 12:00 AM, j0lt said:

...I'm pretty sure that's my picture.

sorry dude i have no phone rn

[crispdoom]

2 minutes ago, P41R47 said:

 

you can download the content of the floppy disk from this link:
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/historic/doom1_2

 

it will be the same as extracting it from the disk.

its not the same installer am not complaining but this will work thx :)

[Edward850]

42 minutes ago, crispdoom said:

what do mean rewrite like i will try send the zip file with the contents of the both of floppys or like put the installers in a new fresh floppy disks

No, the disks themselves. If the data on them deteriorate, the data remains gone, you can't restore it. The only way to keep a floppy from doing this is going through and actually rewriting the disk itself.

Do you remember the science experiments in school where you could magnetise a nail with another magnet, and how over time in a couple of hours that nail would lose its magnetism? The exact same principal applies to floppy disks, only the magnetism is how the data is actually stored. You lose that, you lose the data. You can still write new data but the old data can't ever come back if you've lost it, you have to actually back the disks up and rewrite the contents back before it does that if you want to keep it for longer.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Edward850

[crispdoom]

11 minutes ago, Edward850 said:

No, the disks themselves. If the data on them deteriorate, the data remains gone, you can't restore it. The only way to keep a floppy from doing this is going through and actually rewriting the disk itself.

Do you remember the science experiments in school where you could magnetise a nail with another magnet, and how over time in a couple of hours that nail would lose its magnetism? The exact same principal applies to floppy disks, only the magnetism is how the data is actually stored. You lose that, you lose the data. You can still write new data but the old data can't ever come back if you've lost it, you have to actually back the disks up and rewrite the contents back before it does that if you want to keep it for longer.

GOTTA GET A USB FLOPPY DRIVE AND 2 FLOPPY DISKS REALLY QUICK 

[crispdoom]

17 minutes ago, Edward850 said:

No, the disks themselves. If the data on them deteriorate, the data remains gone, you can't restore it. The only way to keep a floppy from doing this is going through and actually rewriting the disk itself.

Do you remember the science experiments in school where you could magnetise a nail with another magnet, and how over time in a couple of hours that nail would lose its magnetism? The exact same principal applies to floppy disks, only the magnetism is how the data is actually stored. You lose that, you lose the data. You can still write new data but the old data can't ever come back if you've lost it, you have to actually back the disks up and rewrite the contents back before it does that if you want to keep it for longer.

so if i dont do this in like 20 years these disks will have nothing on em

[Edward850]

16 minutes ago, crispdoom said:

so if i dont do this in like 20 years these disks will have nothing on em

Yup, that's exactly right. It gets more fun, there's no exact deadline on it, it could start happening in 10 years, or 50. Conditions are entirely random due to uncontrollable physical and environmental factors. I have an old Commodore 64 paperboy floppy that's still entirely intact that's older than I am, meanwhile a bunch of other disks that are completely wiped by this point. All stored with eachother in the same container.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Edward850

[crispdoom]

3 minutes ago, Edward850 said:

Yup, that's exactly right. It gets more fun, there's no exact deadline on it, it could start happening in 10 years, or 50. Conditions are entirely random due to uncontrollable physical and environmental factors.

so if the files are all gone at least you get a history game disks and see what you bought like 60 years ago

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by crispdoom

[crispdoom]

8 minutes ago, Edward850 said:

Yup, that's exactly right. It gets more fun, there's no exact deadline on it, it could start happening in 10 years, or 50. Conditions are entirely random due to uncontrollable physical and environmental factors. I have an old Commodore 64 paperboy floppy that's still entirely intact that's older than I am, meanwhile a bunch of other disks that are completely wiped by this point. All stored with eachother in the same container.

i have doom2  disks no idea if they work 

[JezChrist]

They don't.

 

[crispdoom]

17 hours ago, JezChrist said:

They don't.

 

u may be wrong i dunno if i do expect a post in general 

[crispdoom]

23 hours ago, Edward850 said:

Yup, that's exactly right. It gets more fun, there's no exact deadline on it, it could start happening in 10 years, or 50. Conditions are entirely random due to uncontrollable physical and environmental factors. I have an old Commodore 64 paperboy floppy that's still entirely intact that's older than I am, meanwhile a bunch of other disks that are completely wiped by this point. All stored with eachother in the same container.

i got a question do cds go bad i think they do

[Edward850]

12 minutes ago, crispdoom said:

i got a question do cds go bad i think they do

They do, yes, though for different reasons. The groves in the disk can start to deform over time (much like glass does), though printed CDs (as opposed to recordable or rewritable CDs) can hypothetically last a very, very long time in the right conditions. I'm yet to have a single CD go bad in my library.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Edward850

[JezChrist]

CD-RW can have some issue if kept in some area with frequent change of temperature.

Generally they can last 3 or 4 decades without being damaged. I would recommend copying the files on a new CD though. (Or a DVD, way more solid)

[crispdoom]

On 8/25/2021 at 3:22 AM, Edward850 said:

They do, yes, though for different reasons. The groves in the disk can start to deform over time (much like glass does), though printed CDs (as opposed to recordable or rewritable CDs) can hypothetically last a very, very long time in the right conditions. I'm yet to have a single CD go bad in my library.

update on the doom shareware disks so i got a floppy drive disk 1  needed a format since it wont detect what format it is WHILE ITS IBM disk 2 worked but the files wont copy or move so please give files of the installers fresh ones pls i provided some screenshots