Would you care if you'd be the bad guy in Doom?

[Gez]

9 hours ago, Doomkid said:

I really can't think of any times the Doomguy did something "bad", and definitely nothing evil. Being angry doesn't really count I don't think, he's all about killing hellspawn to save humanity. Heck, at the end of Doom2, the text strongly implies Doomguy finds rebuilding Earth is a lot more fun than ruining it was, which to me suggests he only really gets a sense of joy from doing positive things. Just crumbs I know, but he's pretty obviously a good dude.

That's why Sim City 2000 was the real Doom 3 all along.

[tatsu91]

9 hours ago, Doomkid said:

I really can't think of any times the Doomguy did something "bad", and definitely nothing evil. Being angry doesn't really count I don't think, he's all about killing hellspawn to save humanity. Heck, at the end of Doom2, the text strongly implies Doomguy finds rebuilding Earth is a lot more fun than ruining it was, which to me suggests he only really gets a sense of joy from doing positive things. Just crumbs I know, but he's pretty obviously a good dude.

I more of say Collataral Damage is what he does that is bad.  But From a story perspective that collateral damage could be argued unavoidable.

[Rudolph]

I actually thought of an alternative sequel to Doom 64 where the UAC decides to invade Hell and it is up to a demonic Doomguy to push them back. In other words, you would be fighting human enemies using demonic arsenal instead.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Rudolph

[xdarkmasterx]

I can't imagine what they could possibly write in the 4 paragraphs or so of story in the entire game that would ruin it for me :p

[Cruduxy Pegg]

Just now, xdarkmasterx said:

I can't imagine what they could possibly write in the 4 paragraphs or so of story in the entire game that would ruin it for me :p

I don't think this is the kind of challenge you want to give to people. You'll regret it even if it was one sentence.

[ketmar]

good, bad… i'm the guy with the gun!

[CBM]

9 minutes ago, ketmar said:

good, bad… i'm the guy with the gun!

my favorite qoute from army of darkness!

 

this one is also a classic:

This... is my boomstick!

 

2 hours ago, Jayextee said:

DOOMguy shoots cacodemons. You aren't telling me he's ever been anything but the bad guy.

sometimes he pets them, but I dont want to elaborate on what else he might do with demons.

Edited August 18, 2021 by CBM

[CBM]

double post

Edited August 18, 2021 by CBM

[leodoom85]

An interesting what-if for sure. And I wouldn't mind to see him as the bad guy for once. Can happen due of some really tainted force from hell (imagine if it was after the events of Doom 64 or something) or from another nasty dimension that can drive him to be on the bad side.

 

Currently we see him as a chaotic neutral guy who's driven with the sole purpose of neutralizing the forces of hell a lot of times but...as I said before, I wouldn't mind to see him being the catalyst to be evil.

Edited August 18, 2021 by leodoom85

[tatsu91]

51 minutes ago, leodoom85 said:

An interesting what-if for sure. And I wouldn't mind to see him as the bad guy for once. Can happen due of some really tainted force from hell (imagine if it was after the events of Doom 64 or something) or from another nasty dimension that can drive him to be on the bad side.

 

Currently we see him as a chaotic neutral guy who's driven with the sole purpose of neutralizing the forces of hell a lot of times but...as I said before, I wouldn't mind to see him being the catalyst to be evil.

Postal Cross over Spinoff with Doom guy?

[KubaloBlackMT]

Just to also point out the obvious, but killing people in Doom 3 is probably something the developers though was funny and kept in.

[Scypek2]

On 8/18/2021 at 5:52 AM, Zulk RS said:

With the base game however, it's kinda really really hard to be the bad guy if your enemies are literally "kill everything" demons. Seriously, you could be the worse human on the planet but you'd still look like the good guy if your enemy was a literal demon.

 

Seems pretty easy to me. Have you ever seen the demons actually massacring countless humans in classic doom? I don't think so. It's all in the manuals, a.k.a. human propaganda. Once you get down to business it's just one human slaughtering countless scary-looking but ultimately not so threatening creatures. Can you really shoot an imp perched on a ledge, tossing easily dodgeable fireballs at you, and claim self-defense? They all roar at you as soon as they see you, too - just like any animal that doesn't actually want to hunt you down. Or how about the arch-vile? The peaceful medic who makes sure to give you a huge time window to step away? Speaking of arch-viles, it makes you wonder how demons view mortality. And explains why they're so casual about killing each other. Are the zombies even zombies, or just humans who learned to speak demon and decided to abandon humanity in favor of free healthcare?

[Sonikkumania]

6 hours ago, Scypek2 said:

Have you ever seen the demons actually massacring countless humans in classic doom?

Last I checked the games were full of dead marines, plus impaled and crucified humans... So yes I did see a massacre. 

6 hours ago, Scypek2 said:

 

 Once you get down to business it's just one human slaughtering countless scary-looking but ultimately not so threatening creatures.

Yeah they're not threatening, they just want to kill you lol. 

[Zulk RS]

14 hours ago, Scypek2 said:

 

Seems pretty easy to me. Have you ever seen the demons actually massacring countless humans in classic doom? I don't think so. It's all in the manuals, a.k.a. human propaganda. Once you get down to business it's just one human slaughtering countless scary-looking but ultimately not so threatening creatures. Can you really shoot an imp perched on a ledge, tossing easily dodgeable fireballs at you, and claim self-defense? They all roar at you as soon as they see you, too - just like any animal that doesn't actually want to hunt you down. Or how about the arch-vile? The peaceful medic who makes sure to give you a huge time window to step away? Speaking of arch-viles, it makes you wonder how demons view mortality. And explains why they're so casual about killing each other. Are the zombies even zombies, or just humans who learned to speak demon and decided to abandon humanity in favor of free healthcare?

 

I mean...

*gestures towards all the dead human corpses everywhere, the burning buildings in the end-screen of Ultimate Doom, and "your hometown (tm)" that is literally a sea of boiling blood*

Edited March 11, 2023 by Zulk RS

[Fiber Wire]

If Doomguy was bad, he would’ve done things much differently in Doom II, but as far as the first game goes he was all alone and it was kill or be killed really. In Doom II, the stakes are far higher. Humanity is in danger of being completely wiped out. If Doomguy was bad, he would have decided to essentially say “fuck everyone” and would’ve only saved himself. 

[TheSlipgateStudios]

Doomguy is like Samurai Jack, both fighting evil unleashed. Heck, if a crossover is made between them, I'd like to see Doomguy BFG the ever living FUCK out of Aku

[Klear]

"Long ago in a distant land, I, Aku, the shapeshifting master of darkness, unleashed an unspeakable evil. But, a foolish warrior wielding a big fucking gun stepped forth to oppose me..."

 

*BFG noises, end credits*

[roadworx]

On 3/10/2023 at 11:31 PM, Sonikkumania said:

Last I checked the games were full of dead marines, plus impaled and crucified humans... So yes I did see a massacre.

 

On 3/11/2023 at 7:56 AM, Zulk RS said:

I mean...

*gestures towards all the dead human corpses everywhere, the burning buildings in the end-screen of Ultimate Doom, and "your hometown (tm)" that is literally a sea of boiling blood*

inside job, false flag operation, they're all crisis actors and props. joey "the rock" biden is doing this to destroy america's meth labs and steal our kidneys, wake up sheep people

[ducon]

I remember a WAD you play a demon (an imp? a baron of hell?) in it instead of a marine.

It was a long time ago, circa 2005, maybe a ZDoom WAD.

Edited March 12, 2023 by ducon

[Naarok0fkor]

You can turn into a demon in Brutal Doom...

[ducon]

AFAIR, it was not Brutal Doom but way before.

[Chezza]

I actually don't mind the idea of Doom Guy gradually turning bad. In a form of being aggressive and violent from a questionable upbringing coupled with trauma from war, causing violent outbursts. He doesn't go completely bad but his rationality is degrading resulting in impulsive actions when something goes against his morals e.g punching his superior in the face whereas the other marines were prepared to follow orders. There would have been a time Doom Guy was disciplined enough to go through with it.

 

He is a decorated and skilled marine with a number of heroic stories in the field. Friends in the military pulled enough strings to prevent jail time / court marshal and negotiated to move him to Mars away from the massive riots on Earth. Away from all the chaos, Doom Guy still serves honorably in a quiet safe place where his Demons can't follow him.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Chezza

[Klear]

Maybe he did snap... maybe there were never any demons, no invasion from hell. It was all in his head. And having rampaged through the Phobos and Deminos bases, the crazed soldier finally made his way back to Earth...

[MoreMending]

On 8/18/2021 at 10:07 AM, Rudolph said:

I actually thought of an alternative sequel to Doom 64 where the UAC decides to invade Hell and it is up to a demonic Doomguy to push them back. In other words, you would be fighting human enemies using demonic arsenal instead.

dude that sounds fun

[BetelgeuseSupergiant]

17 hours ago, Naarok0fkor said:

You can turn into a demon in Brutal Doom...

or use hellish cannon made from bones and flesh :D

also, in litdoom you can use infernal shotgun that feeds by demon souls

[TheEyeOfStone]

On 8/17/2021 at 12:10 PM, RetroAkaMe said:

In DooM, you have always been the good guy, after you assaulted the officer. But if doomguy would have learned nothing and continue to be a bad guy, would you think the game would be a piece of shit, or would you not care?

 

In doom 3, you can actually shoot people that are not enemies in a far distance. (Or at least with the dhewm 3 engine)

 

No matter how hard Hell tries, no matter how many demons they breed or humans they slaughter, DOOMGUY keeps on thwarting them. No matter how bad Hell gets, DOOMGUY (That is to say, us) are always much, much worse. I would not describe either DOOMGUY or myself while I'm playing DOOM as a good guy. Cause when I'm playing DOOM I'm the furthest thing from a good guy, I am what we can call a Demon's nightmare. True, it does benefit humanity if we slaughter the demons, and I don't object to that and I don't think DOOMGUY does either. But that includes the UAC, and as long as Hell endures, the UAC will still be there to stir them up yet again. So who's a good guy? Sometimes you gotta fight evil with evil, though evil isn't homogeneous. DOOMGUY believes in what he's doing, just like Sergeant Barnes did. It's about strength, but that's become a four letter word these day, le sigh. As for that officer who got assaulted, who issued what should have been an illegal order to fire on civilians? I'd probably have fragged him.  

Edited March 13, 2023 by TheEyeOfStone

[Scypek2]

On 8/18/2021 at 4:50 AM, Doomkid said:

Making wads where you play in the morally grey zone is kinda fun. In UAC Rebellion you play as a marine who is privy to insider info about how the UAC is conducting experiments on "willing" soldiers who aren't really willing, alongside experimenting with interdimensional travel which they're using to collect an "army" of demons. The player character is pretty insane, so he just decides to destroy all 15 UAC bases (or as few as 10 depending which path you take) with many human guards - who don't know any better - getting actively murdered in the process.

 

He ends up killing hundreds basically-innocent of UAC personnel with the end goal of flat out destroying all traces of their operations. So he slaughters damn near a thousand men but in the end saves Earth from the totalitarian heel of the UAC and the potentially dire consequences of bringing Hell to Earth as an unbridled army. Very questionable morally, the type of character to go scrambling omelettes to make eggs.

 

He's not that different from an average modern military shooter protagonist. The only difference is that he's not taking part in an officially approved military operation, and thus his rampage is illegal.

 

Doomed in SPACE guy, though. Now that's a proper amoral protagonist, stirring up trouble across the galaxy for fun and profit. Not super evil either, with the UAC soldiers he deals with probably bringing a lot more harm to the universe than he ever could, but unlike Rebellion Guy, he doesn't seem particularly interested in saving the world. At one point, he finds a portal to hell and pretty much just walks in, takes a quick look around, walks backs out and never speaks of it again. It was very refreshing to play as him. I don't need my shooter protagonists to be edgy mass murderers, but I do need them to be at least questionable - a purely virtuous killing spree will feel hypocritical no matter how super evil the enemies are supposed to be.

[IHave10Shells]

Doomguy shoot demon, doomguy pick up ammo, doomguy find secret. Simple as that.

Edited February 23, 2024 by IHave10Shells
spelling mistake 💀

[IHave10Shells]

On 3/11/2023 at 5:43 AM, Scypek2 said:

 

Seems pretty easy to me. Have you ever seen the demons actually massacring countless humans in classic doom? I don't think so. It's all in the manuals, a.k.a. human propaganda. Once you get down to business it's just one human slaughtering countless scary-looking but ultimately not so threatening creatures. Can you really shoot an imp perched on a ledge, tossing easily dodgeable fireballs at you, and claim self-defense? They all roar at you as soon as they see you, too - just like any animal that doesn't actually want to hunt you down. Or how about the arch-vile? The peaceful medic who makes sure to give you a huge time window to step away? Speaking of arch-viles, it makes you wonder how demons view mortality. And explains why they're so casual about killing each other. Are the zombies even zombies, or just humans who learned to speak demon and decided to abandon humanity in favor of free healthcare?

Ah yes. The dead corpses and blood and human faces textures are certainly just decoration.

[IncompA]

On 3/11/2023 at 12:13 AM, Scypek2 said:

 

Seems pretty easy to me. Have you ever seen the demons actually massacring countless humans in classic doom? I don't think so. It's all in the manuals, a.k.a. human propaganda. Once you get down to business it's just one human slaughtering countless scary-looking but ultimately not so threatening creatures. Can you really shoot an imp perched on a ledge, tossing easily dodgeable fireballs at you, and claim self-defense? They all roar at you as soon as they see you, too - just like any animal that doesn't actually want to hunt you down. Or how about the arch-vile? The peaceful medic who makes sure to give you a huge time window to step away? Speaking of arch-viles, it makes you wonder how demons view mortality. And explains why they're so casual about killing each other. Are the zombies even zombies, or just humans who learned to speak demon and decided to abandon humanity in favor of free healthcare?

Seems like you forgot about the dead Marines laying around EVERY map, lol.