Doom Guy, Doom Marine or Doom Slayer?

[LinkinForcer]

Ok so I'm playing through Ultimate Doom. Right now the character is called Doom Slayer.

 

After doing some reading I see the name of the Marine can also be Doom Marine or Doom Guy (which I knew about).

 

So right now in Ultimate Doom his he Doom Marine or Doom Guy as it seems he doesn't become known as Doom Slyaer until Doom (2016) and Doom Eternal. Even the I've read that in Doom Enternal he is referred back to the name of Doom Guy.

 

Or does it really matter?

 

Only reason I ask is because I'm doing a 100% compete guide on my YouTube channel and if he isn't known as Doom Slayer yet then I don't want that name popping up in the HUD, as I have the game modded, and I have already completed Episode 1 for upload.

[Zulk RS]

 So as far as I know, the Protag of the Doom games at first weren't actually called anything official because he was supposed to be the player insert. He is YOU. However, to refer to him, people usually used names like "Doom", "Doomguy", "Doom Marine" or the "Marine". I believe, "Marine" or was it "Doom" semi-official because in Quake 3, he appears as a character and he is referred to as "Doom."

 

Now as for where the Slayer comes in, actually I don't know if there is any "official" name for him before 2016 but most people just called him "Doomguy" (and some people called the Doom 3 Marine, "Doom Marine" because D3guy plays and acts a lot different from the classic Doomguy.) Now as for the Doom Slayer or Slayer, I believe that was the official name the games, 2016 and Eternal, called him.

 

I'm currently sleep deprived and I'm going off of memory so... take what I said with a grain of salt.

[Wavy]

I call him Doomguy when referring to classic Doom, but call him the Doom Slayer when referring to modern Doom. That's how I see it at least but call him whatever you like.

Edited September 18, 2021 by Wavy

[Murdoch]

Honestly why is this even a question?

 

The player character in Doom is supposed to be YOU. Call him whatever you like. There is no right or wrong answer.

[Teo Slayer]

Doomguy in the old games

Doom Marine in Doom 3

Doom Slayer in the new games

 

It's simple :P

[HavoX]

Classic Doom: Doomguy

Doom 2016/Doom Eternal: Doom Slayer

 

They're pretty much the same guy, are they not? ;-)

 

1 hour ago, Murdoch said:

Honestly why is this even a question?

 

The player character in Doom is supposed to be YOU. Call him whatever you like. There is no right or wrong answer.

Just don't call him Flynn Taggart though. :-P

Edited September 18, 2021 by HavoX

[Teo Slayer]

1 hour ago, HavoX said:

Just don't call him Flynn Taggart though. :-P

I call him Stan Blazkowicz instead

[j0lt]

Doomguy.

 

Doom Slayer sounds like something an edgy 14 year old would think sounds awesome, but IMO it smacks of trying too hard.

[xdarkmasterx]

Cliche funny answer: Flying Target or whatever the fuck he was called in those books XD

[7Mahonin]

Our hero. 

[RjY]

Doom's protagonist.

 

19 minutes ago, TelicAx7 said:

Our hero. 

(Wish I'd thought of this one.)

[Biz!]

all of them

[Ar_e_en]

"DoomGuy" was the name everyone gave him before DOOM (2016). "DoomSlayer" was given as a new name by id/Bethesda when DOOM (2016) came out. Not sure about "DoomMarine", I think it's just an alternate name for "DoomGuy". 

 

You should have made this post as a poll.

[OldDoomer]

In the original Doom Bible, the game was going to have the player select from four characters with their own names and strengths/weaknesses:

 

https://5years.doomworld.com/doombible/

 

Of course hardly anything Tom Hall wrote for Doom Bible made it's way to the actual game, so instead players got a nameless marine that was assumed to be you, the player. Back in the day I just remember everyone always using the terms "Doomguy" or "the Guy from Doom." I feel "Doomguy" is ubiquitous enough in the classic Doom world that people would understand who you are referring to.

[HLRaven]

I can't really say, I love all of them but I wish my boy Doom Marine got the recognition he deserves

[Zulk RS]

3 hours ago, j0lt said:

Doomguy.

 

Doom Slayer sounds like something an edgy 14 year old would think sounds awesome, but IMO it smacks of trying too hard.

 

Yeah... I'm probably biased because "Doom Slayer" is new and I grew up with "Doomguy" and haven't played 2016 and Eternal. But I still like "Doomguy" better than "Doom Slayer" It just doesn't feel the same, you know? I'm somewhat confident people who grew up with "Doom Slayer" would say the same about "Doomguy" but yeah.

[DannyMan]

I chose Doom Marine because it somehow fits the military feel.

[Komenja]

Yes.

[Ripper]

8 hours ago, Teo Slayer said:

Doomguy in the old games

Doom Marine in Doom 3

Doom Slayer in the new games

 

It's simple :P

That's been the evolution of the player avatar's nickname.

For me he'll always be the almost silent protagonist of DOOM.
However, you can always call him Jerry.

Jerry the Demon Slayer

[Nikku4211]

I like to call him 'MMM!' after the sound he constantly makes while I try to look for secrets in a WAD.

[Doomkid]

According to the story, they're all one guy.

 

I also "get" the "it's supposed to be YOU" thing, but honestly I've always felt that was bullshit. Doom Guy is as much of a "blank canvas" as Mario or any other old game character.

 

I don't have blue eyes, I don't have brown hair cut in a military style, I never punched out an officer who ordered me to fire on civilians.. Being "me" is fine, but not exactly remarkable enough to be the star of a popular franchise like Doom - I'm an ordinary cashier/shelf-stocker and kinda nerdy guy who spends all my free time doing game modding, tinkering with things around the house, or getting high and wandering around on the beach.. Not exactly "thrillsville" compared to DoomGuy's hellish life.

 

I play games to NOT be me. And Doomguy is distinctly "not me".

 

As for his name? Doom Slayer was a title given to him later, but it's official and cool (and he's the same person throughout Doom 1, 2, 64, Final Doom, Doom 4 and Doom Eternal, so there's no reason not to call them all whatever name you prefer).

[xX_Lol6_Xx]

Doomguy works for me

[Dark Pulse]

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Edited September 19, 2021 by Dark Pulse

[Zulk RS]

1 hour ago, Doomkid said:

I also "get" the "it's supposed to be YOU" thing, but honestly I've always felt that was bullshit. Doom Guy is as much of a "blank canvas" as Mario or any other old game character.

 

I don't have blue eyes, I don't have brown hair cut in a military style, I never punched out an officer who ordered me to fire on civilians.. Being "me" is fine, but not exactly remarkable enough to be the star of a popular franchise like Doom - I'm an ordinary cashier/shelf-stocker and kinda nerdy guy who spends all my free time doing game modding, tinkering with things around the house, or getting high and wandering around on the beach.. Not exactly "thrillsville" compared to DoomGuy's hellish life.

 

I'm going to have to disagree a bit here. I personally don't think Blank Slates and Silent Protags are the same thing. Link is a Silent Protag but not a blank slate. In my opinion blank slates are characters where the player is supposed to imprint their personality into the character. Many Visual Novels use this kind of character. They have very generic personality: "Likes music.", "Plays video games.", "Likes being with friends" these are qualities the vast majority of people playing the games would have. Almost every human being likes some kind of music (genre might be different but everyone likes music), everyone likes hanging with friends (otherwise they wouldn't have had friends), and if you're playing something as niche as a Visual Novel, you probably like games too. Even though the VN protag has dialogue that isn't controlled by the player, it is still not enough to give them their own personality.

 

The player isn't supposed to literally BE the protagonist might is more like to implant their own personality to it. That's why Doomguy is supposed to be You. He's a blank slate. As opposed to Mario, Mario is silent but the player is never supposed to imprint his own personality to Mario.

 

 

[Gez]

3 hours ago, Doomkid said:

I also "get" the "it's supposed to be YOU" thing, but honestly I've always felt that was bullshit. Doom Guy is as much of a "blank canvas" as Mario or any other old game character.

 

I don't have blue eyes, I don't have brown hair cut in a military style, I never punched out an officer who ordered me to fire on civilians.. Being "me" is fine, but not exactly remarkable enough to be the star of a popular franchise like Doom - I'm an ordinary cashier/shelf-stocker and kinda nerdy guy who spends all my free time doing game modding, tinkering with things around the house, or getting high and wandering around on the beach.. Not exactly "thrillsville" compared to DoomGuy's hellish life.

 

I play games to NOT be me. And Doomguy is distinctly "not me".

But that's roleplaying.

 

Like I'm not actually a gnome wizard or whatever, but I can pretend to be one in a game of D&D.

 

Doomguy isn't supposed to be you you, he's supposed to be you pretending to be Doomguy.

[Teo Slayer]

10 hours ago, Ripper said:

However, you can always call him Jerry.

And Davoth will be called Tom lmao

[Doomkid]

5 hours ago, Gez said:

But that's roleplaying.

 

Like I'm not actually a gnome wizard or whatever, but I can pretend to be one in a game of D&D.

 

Doomguy isn't supposed to be you you, he's supposed to be you pretending to be Doomguy.

I get it, I just don’t see where the line is really drawn - when I play GTA IV, I obviously know I’m not Niko Bellic, but I’m still controlling all his actions and taking the “role of Niko”. (I’ll freely admit this is all pedantry but I kinda think it’s a fun topic)

 

What Zulk RS says here does make sense as well, but I feel like they gave Doomguy too many details for me to see him as “me as him”. In other words, I don’t see the distinction between me controlling Niko or the Doom marine or Mario. Not that it really matters or has any impact on my enjoyment of the game, but still.

[Zulk RS]

5 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

What Zulk RS says here does make sense as well, but I feel like they gave Doomguy too many details for me to see him as “me as him”. In other words, I don’t see the distinction between me controlling Niko or the Doom marine or Mario. Not that it really matters or has any impact on my enjoyment of the game, but still.

 

About the details of Doomguy I somehow think most of those were added later. Like I think barely any detail about what Doomguy is like other than his face and the fact that he is some kind of Space Marine or Space Soldier is in the base game itself. The Doom 1 text screens are a third-person narration saying what Doomguy does next but little to no hint is given on what Doomguy is like. I don't know what the manual says though as I've never owned it. Also the same can kind of be said about Mario in the early versions but Doom makes Doomguy a blank slate and Mario isn't because in the game itself, Doomguy is referred to in the second person while in Mario it's "Thank you Mario but the princess is in another castle."

 

I don't really know where the distinction is drawn. I should probably research if there is a hard line drawn in the industry about what separates a Blank Slate from a Silent Protag. 

[Swordofdanu]

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[Sena]

Didn't any of you watch the super official Doom movie? Everyone knows the classic line of dialogue:

"I must kill the demons", said John.

"No John. You are V. Demons."

Therefore, it has been officially confirmed that Doomguy's name is John V. Demons.