What are some WADs that deserve a new MIDI Pack?

[Ultimate Freedoomer]

How about something like a Doom equivalent of the Heretic Raven Midi pack, where it replaces the duplicate songs in Doom 1, Doom 2, & TNT, while leaving the initial use of a particular song untouched?

[ConMan3222]

17 minutes ago, Ultimate Freedoomer said:

How about something like a Doom equivalent of the Heretic Raven Midi pack, where it replaces the duplicate songs in Doom 1, Doom 2, & TNT, while leaving the initial use of a particular song untouched?

Those all exist as Ultimate MIDI Pack (D1), .MID the Way id Did (D2) and TNT: Evilution MIDI Pack (TNT).

[Ultimate Freedoomer]

16 minutes ago, ConMan3222 said:

Those all exist as Ultimate MIDI Pack (D1), .MID the Way id Did (D2) and TNT: Evilution MIDI Pack (TNT).

I know about those, but those replace the OST wholesale. What I had in mind was entirely new songs for the following maps in the aforementioned WADS (any map that isn’t mentioned would be untouched):
* Doom 1:
 * E1M10: Sewers (yes, that 1)
 * E2M5: Command Center
 * E3M1: Hell Keep
 * E3M4: House of Pain
 * E3M5: Unholy Cathedral
 * E3M6: Mount Erebus
 * E3M7: Limbo
 * E3M9: Warrens
 * all of episode 4
* Doom 2:
 * Map 33: Betray (yes, that 1)
 * Map 11: Circle of Death
 * Map 12:  The Factory
 * Map 13: Downtown
 * Map 14: The Inmost Dens
 * Map 15: Industrial Zone
 * Map 16: Suburbs
 * Map 17: Tenements
 * Map 19: The Citadel
 * Map 21: Nirvana
 * Map 22: The Catacombs
 * Map 24: The Chasm
 * Map 26: The Abandoned Mines
 * Map 27: Monster Condo
 * Map 29: The Living End
* TNT Evilution:
 * Map 3: Power Control
 * Map 9: Stronghold
 * Map 12: Crater
 * Map 13: Nukage Processing
 * Map 15: Dead Zone
 * Map 17: Processing Area
 * Map 18: Mill
 * Map 19: Shipping/Respawning
 * Map 21: Administration Center
 * Map 23: Lunar Mining Project
 * Map 24: Quarry
 * Map 25: Baron's Den
 * Map 26: Ballistyx
 * Map 27: Mount Pain
 * Map 28: Heck
 * Map 29: River Styx
 * Map 30: Last Call
 * Map 32: Caribbean
Basically, new songs for those maps in the first 3 IWADS that reuse a previously-used song, while leaving the levels where a given song first occurs untouched. Kind of like a Doom equivalent of that Raven MIDI pack that came out for Heretic a while ago.

Edited March 13 by Ultimate Freedoomer

[ConMan3222]

They have separate WADs included in the .zip file that has an optional WAD that replaces the repeating MIDIs with the MIDI Pack alternatives. And for the Ultimate MIDI Pack's case, the Intermission music is an amazing banger! It is called "Beating the Demons", by Myrgharok (a.k.a. TheUltimateDoomer666).

[Ultimate Freedoomer]

6 minutes ago, ConMan3222 said:

They have separate WADs included in the .zip file that has an optional WAD that replaces the repeating MIDIs with the MIDI Pack alternatives. And for the Ultimate MIDI Pack's case, the Intermission music is an amazing banger! It is called "Beating the Demons", by Myrgharok (a.k.a. TheUltimateDoomer666).

Do Mid the Way id did & the TNT pack have that?

[Devalaous]

43 minutes ago, ConMan3222 said:

Those all exist as Ultimate MIDI Pack (D1), .MID the Way id Did (D2) and TNT: Evilution MIDI Pack (TNT).

 

The problem though is that unlike the Raven midi pack, the new tracks often don't fit. At an early point, MIDTWID was meant to emulate Bobby's music and fill in the gaps, but eventually it became 'fuck it, new music for all! NO LIMITS'. I think it'd be neat to revisit that concept someday with stricter guidelines and truly emulate Bobby's style for D1 and D2, and the TNT composers for TNT.

 

34 minutes ago, Ultimate Freedoomer said:

I know about those, but those replace the OST wholesale. What I had in mind was entirely new songs for the following maps in the aforementioned WADS (any map that isn’t mentioned would be untouched):
* Doom 1:
 * E1M10: Sewers (yes, that 1)

 

The Ultimate MIDI Pack actually does have a track for Sewers. What Sewers really needs is a remake/remaster in the vein of Realm of Chaos 25th Anniversary that brings it in line with the other IWAD levels. Ironically, the one behind said RoC remaster...is the same one that did the midi for E1M10 :D

 

Ideally I'd also like tracks for Betray and the various Jaguar/Playstation exclusive levels too, I have wads that add those levels to the game for an expanded campaign, and those levels have to reuse tracks instead of having a bespoke one.

[JackDBS]

On 1/23/2024 at 11:58 AM, Li'l devil said:

Community project idea: Maximum Doom MIDI Pack. Write thousands of intentionally terrible, broken MIDIs.

Y'all aren't ready for my banger remix of "In Defence of Demonsex" from Mock 2

[Ozcar]

I think epic 2 would be fine with a new the midi pack, I'm not saying that their midi selection that is already in the WAD was bad, in fact that selection is good, but imagine, several original midi in egyptian style made by the doom community.

Edited March 13 by Ozcar

[Ultimate Freedoomer]

12 hours ago, Devalaous said:

 

The problem though is that unlike the Raven midi pack, the new tracks often don't fit. At an early point, MIDTWID was meant to emulate Bobby's music and fill in the gaps, but eventually it became 'fuck it, new music for all! NO LIMITS'. I think it'd be neat to revisit that concept someday with stricter guidelines and truly emulate Bobby's style for D1 and D2, and the TNT composers for TNT.

 

 

The Ultimate MIDI Pack actually does have a track for Sewers. What Sewers really needs is a remake/remaster in the vein of Realm of Chaos 25th Anniversary that brings it in line with the other IWAD levels. Ironically, the one behind said RoC remaster...is the same one that did the midi for E1M10 :D

 

Ideally I'd also like tracks for Betray and the various Jaguar/Playstation exclusive levels too, I have wads that add those levels to the game for an expanded campaign, and those levels have to reuse tracks instead of having a bespoke one.

Like I said, my idea is basically the Raven Midi pack, but for Doom: fill in the gaps (as well as compose for the console maps) while emulating the original composers, but leave the initial usage of each song untouched. The mentioning of the console maps also makes me think that Hodges needs more love in relation to the whole "style emulation" thing, particularly in relation to his longer songs.

[erzboesewicht]

Is there anybody planning a MIDI pack for the Enigma Episode? I saw it mentioned two times already in this thread and it definitely deserves one :)

If not I may start this one myself as a CP soon. It's small enough for a community project noob like me :)

Edited March 14 by erzboesewicht

[Ultimate Freedoomer]

On 3/13/2024 at 1:49 AM, JackDBS said:

Y'all aren't ready for my banger remix of "In Defence of Demonsex" from Mock 2

That would actually be a good companion piece to the Master Levels MIDI pack, at least as far as the Doom 2 portion goes. Some Doomers on Discord are working on filling out the rejected/tie-in Master Levels reject maps

[JackDBS]

1 minute ago, Ultimate Freedoomer said:

That would actually be a good companion piece to the Master Levels MIDI pack, at least as far as the Doom 2 portion goes. Some Doomers on Discord are working on filling out the rejected/tie-in Master Levels reject maps

Where can I join that

[Ultimate Freedoomer]

7 hours ago, JackDBS said:

Where can I join that

Well, we don’t have a set server. It’s mostly people I’ve been in contact with in DMs. I have been adding the music to Works of the Masters, though. We already guys composing the Mustaine & Klie bonus maps. Would you like to do the Anderson or Flynn Master-Levels tie-in maps?

[UUN4]

8 hours ago, Ultimate Freedoomer said:

Well, we don’t have a set server. It’s mostly people I’ve been in contact with in DMs. I have been adding the music to Works of the Masters, though. We already guys composing the Mustaine & Klie bonus maps. Would you like to do the Anderson or Flynn Master-Levels tie-in maps?

If you're still looking for contributors, I would also like to participate.

[Ultimate Freedoomer]

4 hours ago, UUN4 said:

If you're still looking for contributors, I would also like to participate.

Sure. What's your Discord?

[Li'l devil]

I think Community Chest 1 is probably the perfect candidate. It has a lot of map variety, thus the midi pack would be very diverse. And of course, for map 29 someone should write a 40-minute long orchestral post-rock track, or something like that.

[Donowa]

extermination day, the current music pack has too damn many reused tracks, and a lot of them are just ripped from quake or quake 2

adding midis would help it to feel more like a long-lost build engine game (especially with a vanilla patch and something like zmovement or ntmai)

of course, big problem with that is that it's probably gonna be drowned out by marky mark's eardrum-decimating ambient sounds

[Devalaous]

11 hours ago, Li'l devil said:

I think Community Chest 1 is probably the perfect candidate. It has a lot of map variety, thus the midi pack would be very diverse. And of course, for map 29 someone should write a 40-minute long orchestral post-rock track, or something like that.

 

Both me and the Dean of Doom video on CC1 used the exact same music solution for that, by using MIDTWID to replace the default tracks. Worked out pretty well, but yeah, it could use a midi pack kind of like Rebirth's one, where only some tracks get replaced. Bonus points if the map24 midi has two slightly different versions, with only one being listenable in the wad without outside help.

[joepallai]

Crusades would benefit from a MIDI pack IMO.   

[Ultimate Freedoomer]

How about The Lost Episodes of Doom? I’m talking about that 1990s PWAD set in & around Jupiter, not the Doom 64 addon.

[LegendaryEevee]

Momento Mori and Icarus could use some of the ol Eviternity / Ancient Aliens Midi Buffs...

[Dreemurr Deceevurr]

It's been brought up before in this thread but I'd love to see a No End In Sight MIDI pack. Feels like the sort of WAD that should've launched with a custom soundtrack.