doom terms to get rid of in 2022

[yakfak]

- "Intelligent placement" lad who played Plutonia accidentally insults everything but Plutonia

- "IWAD" nothing but jargon, think up something intuitive or I'm calling them source files

- "Savescumming" there's a bunch of reasons why Doom isn't a roguelike and this term fights with at least two of them

- community project as an acronym, please get some awareness

- "blind playthrough" please get some awareness

[Kinsie]

 

[gwain]

The fbi asking me why I looked up jpcp

 

(yeah though community project should be turned into community work feel weird typing in the acronym)

 

Edited January 22, 2022 by gwain

[Dynamo]

Cyberwork 2077

[Horus]

Community project probably should get replaced with something like community mapset tbh

[roadworx]

while i understand what you're getting at, some of these are much more of a problem with the gaming community at large. until it changes at that scale then it's likely not gonna change here

Edited January 22, 2022 by roadworx

[ZeMystic]

4 hours ago, yakfak said:

- "blind playthrough" please get some awareness

 

Just SEE you idiot, it's not that hard.

[galileo31dos01]

I was never a fan of the term "fight" in doom. I don't feel that plinking at imps with a shotgun is "fighting" per se, neither is BFG-melting mancubi en masse or whatever. There's nothing technically wrong with the term, I don't like it and that's all there is, so I prefer using other more specific phrases or straight up defaulting to the best term which is 'setup'.

 

This information doesn't conduct to anything useful to anyone but myself :D

[Doomkid]

5 hours ago, yakfak said:

- "Intelligent placement" lad who played Plutonia accidentally insults everything but Plutonia

- "IWAD" nothing but jargon, think up something intuitive or I'm calling them source files

- "Savescumming" there's a bunch of reasons why Doom isn't a roguelike and this term fights with at least two of them

- community project as an acronym, please get some awareness

- "blind playthrough" please get some awareness

I would probably cheer and do cartwheels if someone said my wad had "dumb placement", holy shit that one laugh alone would make the entire wad-building process worth it!

 

Honestly, the only one of these I lightly disagree with is IWAD. It's useful in certain instances to just have a fast 4-letter way to say "I'm talking about the unmodified game" or some such!

 

The idea that saving is "scummy" is stupid.  Even though it just kind of popped out of nowhere like some sort of cancer 10-15 years back, I think it was at least originally meant to mean "those people who lamely save after killing each imp", which admittedly is... Kinda dorky and silly, but even then "SCUM" seems a bit over the top lol

 

"blind playthrough".. Legitimate cause to want a new term here, my gut instinct was "fresh playthrough" but that makes it sound like either the wad itself is new, or maybe the player is oddly horny.. Maybe just simply call it "First time playthrough"? Not harder to type but doesn't imply the person playing has been afflicted with sight loss either.

 

EDIT: I just saw the "community project" one. I've been calling them CPs since before the spreading of CP on the internet was common, god damn I hate how slimeballs can co-opt terms that started out harmless... Anyway uhh, "community mapset", "community episode", "community wad"/"community megawad" could all work.

 

1 hour ago, galileo31dos01 said:

I was never a fan of the term "fight" in doom. I don't feel that plinking at imps with a shotgun is "fighting" per se, neither is BFG-melting mancubi en masse or whatever. There's nothing technically wrong with the term, I don't like it and that's all there is, so I prefer using other more specific phrases or straight up defaulting to the best term which is 'setup'.

 

This information doesn't conduct to anything useful to anyone but myself :D

But haven't you heard? DOOM II IS THE HOTTEST, FASTEST FIGHTING GAME!

 

In all seriousness, I probably call some setups "fights", but the term "battles" is the one I find myself using. Setups, incidental combat, or PVP can all be called battles (or combat, come to think of it) which are probably more accurate than fighting, since there's no implication of it being hand-to-hand combat, like there might be with "fighting".

[Revenant100]

4 hours ago, yakfak said:

- "IWAD" nothing but jargon, think up something intuitive or I'm calling them source files

- community project as an acronym, please get some awareness

I see a single simple solution to both of these problems: Any future Doom CP should be called an "USWAD".

[dasho]

Imagine not understanding context, going to a Doom forum, and thinking that on a regular basis groups of users get together to assemble child pornography.

[Shibainumaster]

1 minute ago, Revenant100 said:

I see a single simple solution to both of these problems: Any future Doom CP should be called an "USWAD".

Maybe a "WEWAD", eh?

Edited January 22, 2022 by Shibainumaster

[7Mahonin]

IWAD is necessary to differentiate between IWADs and PWADs. Blind doesn’t always mean vision impaired. Don’t care about the rest, but do agree with the community project acronym thing, because it’s silly. A suggestion is to use commproj as it is 8 letters and looks far better than cp. 

[roadworx]

9 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

Honestly, the only one of these I lightly disagree with is IWAD. It's useful in certain instances to just have a fast 4-letter way to say "I'm talking about the unmodified game" or some such!

yeah honestly i agree with you on this one - the other suggestions i do agree with, but we need a distinction between pwads and iwads. not only that, but "source file" is likely gonna end up confusing the shit out of a lot of people due to the amount of programmers in the community

Edited January 22, 2022 by roadworx

[Doomkid]

6 minutes ago, dasho said:

Imagine not understanding context, going to a Doom forum, and thinking that on a regular basis groups of users get together to assemble child pornography.

Someone would honestly have to be insane to think that, lol. (Which I guess doesn't rule most people out these days?)

 

Still though, going around saying "Hey, we all love CP and we're working on a new CP right now" doesn't exactly sound THAT great with the more modern context (reminds me of this clip)

[dasho]

1 minute ago, roadworx said:

we need a distinction between pwads and iwads

 

How about the first letter of the existing acronyms?

[ViolentBeetle]

20 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

I would probably cheer and do cartwheels if someone said my wad had "dumb placement", holy shit that one laugh alone would make the entire wad-building process worth it!

I believe the proper term is "Evolutionary placement".

[Scypek2]

12 minutes ago, dasho said:

 

How about the first letter of the existing acronyms?

 

P is pronounced "pee", which is gross, and I is pronounced "eye", which, once again, is insensitive towards the visually impaired.

[Astronomical]

5 hours ago, yakfak said:

- "blind playthrough" please get some awareness

What is the problem with blind playthrough?  Maybe I am not understanding it but the only problem from the term I can gather is confusion regarding the term as someone who is playing a wad "Blind" isn't accurate as I can see the screen.  Maybe I am missing something and if another term is developed I would probably use it if people have problems with this one but I am curious what would be the reason.

[MFG38]

Terrywad - This one just comes across as discriminatory against people named Terry. What if someone named Terry makes a non-Terrywad?

 

Dummy sector - Because "dummy" shares the same meaning as "dumb". A sector doesn't deserve to be discriminated against just because it works in tandem with another one.

 

ZDoomism - Comes across as discriminatory against (G)ZDoom.

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

36 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

"Hey, we all love CP and we're working on a new CP right now"

"Welcome to Doomworld, we got CP, we got PUSS, we got ASS!"

Edited January 22, 2022 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Gez]

linedef -- it's just a line.

sidedef -- it's just a side.

[roadworx]

jesus christ this thread is a dumpster fire

 

10 minutes ago, Astronomical said:

What is the problem with blind playthrough?  Maybe I am not understanding it but the only problem from the term I can gather is confusion regarding the term as someone who is playing a wad "Blind" isn't accurate as I can see the screen.  Maybe I am missing something and if another term is developed I would probably use it if people have problems with this one but I am curious what would be the reason.

there's been a push from the disabled within the gaming community to get rid of it, as those suffering from blindness equate it to the usage of the word "gay" to describe things perceived as being negative, which is understandable. "first playthrough" is a better, more accurate term anyways

[RHhe82]

36 minutes ago, dasho said:

Imagine not understanding context, going to a Doom forum, and thinking that on a regular basis groups of users get together to assemble child pornography.

 

I gotta say, I have never once made this connection. CP might get confused with checkpoints, cerebral palsy, but not that one.

[Astronomical]

6 minutes ago, roadworx said:

there's been a push from the disabled within the gaming community to get rid of it, as those suffering from blindness equate it to the usage of the word "gay" to describe things perceived as being negative, which is understandable. "first playthrough" is a better, more accurate term anyways

Very understandable actually, I will definantly retire the term from my vocabulary in the future.

[Doomkid]

3 minutes ago, roadworx said:

jesus christ this thread is a dumpster fire

This thread is a lightly-charred garbage can at most.. and even then it's only one of those little silver ones with the foot pedal that you see in offices!

 

While I think some of the replies are truly just jokes for the sake of jokes, I do find the general air of "resistance to change" with these terms pretty funny lol.

 

Most of them are crap terms, like even all things aside - they just sound crap, and don't even roll off the tongue well or anything. Even as a lifelong Doomer I have like zero attachment to any of them, and for my "nostalgia over nothing" ass, that really is a low bar to meet.

[D4NUK1]

We can change any words and terms, but never i'll let people get rid of...


 

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[omx32x]

9 minutes ago, roadworx said:

jesus christ this thread is a dumpster fire

 

there's been a push from the disabled within the gaming community to get rid of it, as those suffering from blindness equate it to the usage of the word "gay" to describe things perceived as being negative, which is understandable. "first playthrough" is a better, more accurate term anyways

not necessarely blind playtrough is also used in relation to playing a game without seeing anything about it before hand be it trailers or other gameplay videos

 

while i think blind playtrough is an outdated name it will only stop being used if someone can find another term that replaces it and the large gaming community adopts it

[SleepyVelvet]

"Blind Playthrough" is not used in an offensive way and changing it is a vain waste of consciensciousness better spent elsewhere.

 

Though to put your mind at ease, I will also retire the term.  I will now start calling them "Gay Playthroughs"

[msx2plus]

5 hours ago, yakfak said:

- "Intelligent placement" lad who played Plutonia accidentally insults everything but Plutonia

let's not only stop saying this, but instead actively engage in dipshit placement of everything all the time, we will come up with a million interesting, never-seen-before thing placement formations in no time flat (not sarcasm)

 

IWAD is fine in circles that understand it but "base WAD" is generally more sensible outside of that. i have been playing doom my entire life and still don't know what the I means. (checks) "internal" apparently. ok it's dumb

 

i've always just liked the term savescum and embrace it as i am it, and it is i

 

as for the last two: agree lol