Nine Inch Heels Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, yakfak said: - "Intelligent placement" lad who played Plutonia accidentally insults everything but Plutonia I don't know how to feel about this one... I get where you're coming from, but at the same time I think that the some monster placements are a bit more on the clever side than others, for example if the placement of a monster plays to its strengths vs when it doesn't. Whether or not the term "intelligent" is good to use is probably open to debate, but I'll also have to add that I haven't seen "intelligent placement" in any write up or description of a WAD that I would consider to come from a credible source, and the sources I deem credible usually employ "exacting monster placement" as a descriptor, among other things. Bottom line for me on this one: the term seems too non-descriptive to actually mean anything in particular, so I'm fine with not using it, but I'm not sure it's a problem in particular... 8 hours ago, yakfak said: - "IWAD" nothing but jargon, think up something intuitive or I'm calling them source files Everything is jargon if you are brave enough. I agree that the term means nothing to anybody who hasn't been around the block for some while, but as a technical term it will probably always retain a degree of relevance, in particular for people who use source ports alongside command line arguments. These people may be a minority, but they'll exist as long as speedrunning stays a thing that happens on god's green arse... Can't be helped... 8 hours ago, yakfak said: - "Savescumming" there's a bunch of reasons why Doom isn't a roguelike and this term fights with at least two of them Words have different meaning depending on context, and in the context of classic doom this means something very particular... If there was one thing to point out as a downside with regards to this term, it would be that it is a negative term that could be misused in situations where what it means in the context of this game isn't applicable at all, but that's as far as it goes from my POV... 8 hours ago, yakfak said: - community project as an acronym, please get some awareness Kinda agree on this one, but also have to bemoan the absence of a better alternative that is still as descriptive as the term that's being subjected to scrutiny here... 8 hours ago, yakfak said: - "blind playthrough" please get some awareness Hard agree on this one... "Cold playthrough" is a decent descriptor that avoids ableism entirely... Edited January 22, 2022 by Nine Inch Heels 3 Share this post Link to post
Dubbag Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) I think if you see the letters CP on DW and the first thing you think Is Child Porn, there's something wrong with you. I don't think anyone has ever had that misconception here. Edited January 22, 2022 by Dubbag 14 Share this post Link to post
Major Arlene Posted January 22, 2022 genuine question, why are people opposed to the new terms other than the fact they sound "woke"? I don't think that many of these are super large an ask, even if I don't necessarily agree with all of them. re: the CP thing, that is one that I will 100% stand for never being a good abbreviation to use, at least not in today's world. even if we understand it as community project, the rest of the world understands it as child p*rn. just say "community project" in your title or description somewhere. 7 Share this post Link to post
Shikamaze Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Major Arlene said: genuine question, why are people opposed to the new terms other than the fact they sound "woke"? I don't think that many of these are super large an ask, even if I don't necessarily agree with all of them. Because in this scenario, it's change for the sake of change. Calling something "blind" is not exclusive to gaming. We have blind dates, blind studies and more. It's different from a racial slur, which is ONLY used with bad intent. 7 Share this post Link to post
Mr Masker Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Major Arlene said: genuine question, why are people opposed to the new terms other than the fact they sound "woke"? I don't think that many of these are super large an ask, even if I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I just wanna give my thought to this My problem is not with the new terms, if "blind playthrough" became "new playthrough" or "cold playthrough" then I wouldn't be all that fussed. My problem is the idea of replacing the old terms, the reasons shown just don't feel major enough to justify getting rid of one in place of a new one, both can co-exist in peace and in the end we'll all just move on to other matters. 2 Share this post Link to post
Nine Inch Heels Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Shikamaze said: Because in this scenario, it's change for the sake of change. that's demonstrably false as at least some of the terms put up for discussion are lacking in the sort of utility that a more accurate descriptor could provide... and avoiding terms based on ableism isn't change for the sake of change, it's change in the interest of a minority that needs to deal with a condition that does not discriminate between race, gender, upbringing, or political orientation... 2 Share this post Link to post
Major Arlene Posted January 22, 2022 Well, clearly nothing productive is going to come out of thread, gg kiddos. 3 Share this post Link to post
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