How do I run GZDoom

[Master O]

33 minutes ago, ChopBlock223 said:

Ah, right, that was it. Was there also some censorship in the Unity release? I know they made the red crosses on medkits green.

 

The Red Cross organization recently started enforcing copyrights on that iirc, which is why video games changed it.

 

You'd have to look that up, though. I don't remember the exact circumstances.

[Captain POLAND]

3 hours ago, Master O said:

 

No, they are not.

 

The GOG releases of Ultimate Doom, and Doom 2 + Final Doom, are unaltered, except for TNT, which fixes that yellow key card bug in Map31: Pharoah.

 

You are thinking of the Doom 2 wad that is included with Doom 3 BFG Edition, which has the Nazi levels (Doom 2's Maps 31 and 32) censored due to having to comply with Germany's Anti-Nazi Propaganda law.

 

I don't get how it's Nazi propaganda when you're killing Nazis.

[Xim]

27 minutes ago, Master O said:

 

The Red Cross organization recently started enforcing copyrights on that iirc, which is why video games changed it.

 

You'd have to look that up, though. I don't remember the exact circumstances.

It's not a copyright violation, it's a geneva convention violation. But mostly everyone is being cool about it. They ask them nicely to change it and they comply.

[ChopBlock223]

1 hour ago, Captain POLAND said:

 

I don't get how it's Nazi propaganda when you're killing Nazis.

The way I recall having it described to me, is that because of Germany's history, the depiction of Nazi imagery and symbolism outside of an educational documentary context, is, not entirely illegal I think, but considered something along the lines of obscenity, and what happens is that your work will be refused an age rating and be difficult to publish and sell in the country.

 

Wolfenstein 3D, though a game about blasting Gnatzees in droves for score, with the (original) final boss encounter being about shooting Adolf Hitler in the face until he dies graphically, isn't considered a 'documentary or educational context' thus it falls under that regulation. I heard that this kind of regulation has been relaxed a lot in recent years, and that the law regarding it may even have been changed, but I'll leave that up to someone who knows German law for sure to confirm that.

German law was also pretty strict about blood and gore, which is why in the past you would get such oddities such the GBA ports of Doom having green blood and toned down gore (apparently they didn't want to publish separate versions for separate regions?), as well as the HECU grunts in Half-Life being replaced with robots, and enemies in Soldier Of Fortune having a very goofy robot skin applied to them. This is also something I think has been relaxed with time as well.

[An0maly_76]

So, now that my post count has reset, I would like to clarify a few things.

First, as it was apparently decided you can only post three times a day and send three PM's a day, I was unable to continue conversation of any sort. While I understand the need to silence those who flood and spam, such a binary approach defeats the purpose of having such a site if you ask me. That being said, I appreciate the helpful responses my post has gotten.

Second, EVERY Doom engine I have downloaded (including this one that I got from DOOMWADSTATION.NET – which kind of implies that the standard WAD would be included) included a WAD file of some sort, even if it was only the first episode in 16-bit. So when it came to Doom, even with the Island mod, I RARELY had to deal with that sort of thing that much. Even the Island mod came with a batch file that I only needed to create a desktop shortcut for, and I played it for perhaps three years before my desktop nuked itself. I don't remember having to do much other than install it, so perhaps I already had the Doom II engine, presuming it can load WADS from the original game.

Third, I am quite familiar with file systems, hailing from the days of MS-DOS when you had no choice BUT to know these things. Thus, I am aware that non-standard WADS generally require a command-line syntax parameter. However, I never really had to use these syntax parameters, as the few I might use are generally covered by cheat codes, and I have not played DOOM in over three years either.

Last but not least, I try not to mention this, but I have Asperger's Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism. Hence, not only do I have difficulty retaining certain things due to what amount to related developmental issues, I often can see things that other people don't see, but generally don't see things the way other people see them. Gaming is one of the few things that keeps me from bouncing off the walls – or worse. To explain my original post title, I also get easily frustrated when things do not work as they should or go as planned.

This disorder often leads to regression, meaning it gets worse, something I show a lot of indicators of. I don't ask for sympathy here, but some empathy would be nice, rather than smart-assed responses implying that I simply don't want to learn what I'm doing. Those who did so – NOT COOL. It wasn't called for, and you're not helping. As I explained earlier, I did this before and it's not working the way it did before. And before anyone starts hollering 'snowflake', I can appreciate sarcasm when it's not at anyone else's expense.

That being said, with some of the responses received, I believe I will “ride off into the sunset”, and if I get the Island mod working, so be it. If not, so be it. It doesn't really seem that this site is the place for me to be. TelicAx7, I'm PM'ing you shortly so we can continue our conversation elsewhere. I should think gzdoom IS a Doom 2 engine, given its later release date, but perhaps not.

[Edward850]

7 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

First, as it was apparently decided you can only post three times a day and send three PM's a day, I was unable to continue conversation of any sort. While I understand the need to silence those who flood and spam, such a binary approach defeats the purpose of having such a site if you ask me.

This only happens to new users, it limits the potential attack vector of spam bots.

7 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

Second, EVERY Doom engine I have downloaded (including this one that I got from DOOMWADSTATION.NET – which kind of implies that the standard WAD would be included) included a WAD file of some sort, even if it was only the first episode in 16-bit.

I'm not too sure what you mean by "in 16bit", but they actually shouldn't be. You aren't supposed to be repacking the shareware episode, weirdly enough. It also wouldn't have been good enough for your purpose anyway, as you can't load mods with the shareware episode, nor would it have been enough to load anything made for Doom2. Though there is a point to be made that GZDoom could at least come with Freedoom, if that's compatible distribution wise.

6 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

I should think gzdoom IS a Doom 2 engine, given its later release date, but perhaps not.

Yes GZDoom will load Doom2, as long as you have the Doom2 content on hand. As described, stick doom2.wad in the same folder as GZDoom, or simply have it installed on Steam or GOG and it will auto detect it.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Edward850

[Jello]

28 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

So, now that my post count has reset, I would like to clarify a few things.

First, as it was apparently decided you can only post three times a day and send three PM's a day, I was unable to continue conversation of any sort. While I understand the need to silence those who flood and spam, such a binary approach defeats the purpose of having such a site if you ask me. That being said, I appreciate the helpful responses my post has gotten.

Second, EVERY Doom engine I have downloaded (including this one that I got from DOOMWADSTATION.NET – which kind of implies that the standard WAD would be included) included a WAD file of some sort, even if it was only the first episode in 16-bit. So when it came to Doom, even with the Island mod, I RARELY had to deal with that sort of thing that much. Even the Island mod came with a batch file that I only needed to create a desktop shortcut for, and I played it for perhaps three years before my desktop nuked itself. I don't remember having to do much other than install it, so perhaps I already had the Doom II engine, presuming it can load WADS from the original game.

Third, I am quite familiar with file systems, hailing from the days of MS-DOS when you had no choice BUT to know these things. Thus, I am aware that non-standard WADS generally require a command-line syntax parameter. However, I never really had to use these syntax parameters, as the few I might use are generally covered by cheat codes, and I have not played DOOM in over three years either.

Last but not least, I try not to mention this, but I have Asperger's Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism. Hence, not only do I have difficulty retaining certain things due to what amount to related developmental issues, I often can see things that other people don't see, but generally don't see things the way other people see them. Gaming is one of the few things that keeps me from bouncing off the walls – or worse. To explain my original post title, I also get easily frustrated when things do not work as they should or go as planned.

This disorder often leads to regression, meaning it gets worse, something I show a lot of indicators of. I don't ask for sympathy here, but some empathy would be nice, rather than smart-assed responses implying that I simply don't want to learn what I'm doing. Those who did so – NOT COOL. It wasn't called for, and you're not helping. As I explained earlier, I did this before and it's not working the way it did before. And before anyone starts hollering 'snowflake', I can appreciate sarcasm when it's not at anyone else's expense.

That being said, with some of the responses received, I believe I will “ride off into the sunset”, and if I get the Island mod working, so be it. If not, so be it. It doesn't really seem that this site is the place for me to be. TelicAx7, I'm PM'ing you shortly so we can continue our conversation elsewhere. I should think gzdoom IS a Doom 2 engine, given its later release date, but perhaps not.

Have you bought Doom 1 and Doom 2, either from Gog or Steam, or have an original disc version? Because it sounds like you haven't. If you have, then a Doom 1 or Doom 2 folder will be created, either in your Steam/Common directory, or your GOG directory. I would recommend buying Doom 2 if you can only buy one, because most user content uses Doom 2 as a base.

 

Once you install the game, unzip a GzDoom installer into the folder. Try to run GzDoom, it should automatically detect the Doom2.iwad. If it does, then it works. After that, you can just put all of the Doom2 .wads you want to play in the same folder, and drag them onto the GzDoom.exe icon and they should work fine. It's really quite easy.

 

The one thing that stands out to me, is that you might not have the Doom or Doom2 .iwads, and that might be your problem. They're not free, and any .wad or mod that you download will not work without the original games. If they did before, it's probably because the person who created the .wad included files that were illegal to include.

 

/As an aside, does Doomworld even have a post count limit? I know I've posted more than three times a day.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Jello

[Doomkid]

53 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

with some of the responses received, I believe I will “ride off into the sunset”, and if I get the Island mod working, so be it. If not, so be it. It doesn't really seem that this site is the place for me to be.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if it's possible, I'd strongly recommend lightening up a little bit and trying to see it from the other side: a new user signs up with a thread called "JFC" and nothing else, which is already pretty odd, then claims the GZDoom devs are "reinventing the wheel" even though the error message says in the plainest English possible to place Doom.wad and Doom2.wad in the GZDoom directory.

 

It's pretty funny, so a few people had a laugh - that's all mate. Usually someone with gigachad PC specs would know what "place one or more of the following: doom.wad, doom2.wad, heretic.wad in the GZDoom directory" means, so it was a bit odd to encounter someone who didn't, that's really where most of the humor comes from.

 

I know you've said you have Asperger's, so this context very well may not be clear to someone in your position. I'm hoping that by my explaining it, you won't be offended and will instead see everything was meant in lite fun. Hopefully you haven't taken any of the lite ribbing posts on the past page too personally, they certainly weren't meant in that way.

 

@Jello only for brand new accounts, it was originally introduced to prevent spam but it could probably be bumped from 3 to 6 or something, just for more wiggle room.

[Redneckerz]

3 hours ago, An0maly_76 said:

So, now that my post count has reset, I would like to clarify a few things.

First, as it was apparently decided you can only post three times a day and send three PM's a day, I was unable to continue conversation of any sort. While I understand the need to silence those who flood and spam, such a binary approach defeats the purpose of having such a site if you ask me. 

This is specifically in place to hold back spammers who would otherwise flood the site. Since the mechanism exists, this has happened in the past.

 

Since you disagree with this notion, what would be your suggestion?

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Second, EVERY Doom engine I have downloaded (including this one that I got from DOOMWADSTATION.NET – which kind of implies that the standard WAD would be included) included a WAD file of some sort, even if it was only the first episode in 16-bit.

Actually, i get where you are coming from. If you read that name, that kind of does imply that Doom.wad somehow has a presence. 

 

However, not every Doom engine comes with a wad - That's where source ports come in. There are various ports that do include an auxillary WAD required for the port such as PrBoom. But this isn't absolute. Furthermore, any WAD from Doomwadstation is a PWAD or Patch WAD. This is a supplemental WAD and requires another WAD file, called an IWAD (Or internal WAD). The errors in your OP point to an IWAD: Doom.wad, Doom2.wad, and so on.

 

BTSX.wad, for instance, is a PWAD. It requires one of the above IWADs to function (In this case: Doom2.wad).

 

Below you will find the Wiki definitions for a IWAD and a PWAD so you can read the differences in detail:

• IWAD
• PWAD
• They are both a WAD file. Here is the definition of a WAD file.

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Last but not least, I try not to mention this, but I have Asperger's Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism. Hence, not only do I have difficulty retaining certain things due to what amount to related developmental issues, I often can see things that other people don't see, but generally don't see things the way other people see them. Gaming is one of the few things that keeps me from bouncing off the walls – or worse. To explain my original post title, I also get easily frustrated when things do not work as they should or go as planned.

People cannot sense other people's personal situations. So when someone comes along and first states to avoid GZDoom at all costs, and then posts a screenshot (Which i applaud you for, by the way: Many users with similar issues just say they can't run GZDoom and that's the end of it. Even more so you uploaded that screenshot to DW which is even more so commendable.) that quite clearly shows what the deal is:

 

The error clearly states it is missing a .wad file and even goes to describe how that file is called. Solution 1. could not be more clear to a general audience.

 

I feel that if you mentioned in the intro that what is easy for many might be difficult for few, a lot more understanding would be given. Now we were just shooting in the dark.

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This disorder often leads to regression, meaning it gets worse, something I show a lot of indicators of. I don't ask for sympathy here, but some empathy would be nice, rather than smart-assed responses implying that I simply don't want to learn what I'm doing. Those who did so – NOT COOL. It wasn't called for, and you're not helping.

Nobody implied that you don't want to learn the ropes - The case was more on how the error was interpreted, which came off as curious. This is before you told the audience of your condition, which ties into the above.

 

People can only assume so much. And when a perfectly clear error message quite generally states what should be done and you get a response in return that in the first place suggests that the error message isn't read or understood, it isn't hard to picture where people come from.

 

I can understand when you made the additional remark of ''How do you mean, drag the wad into GZDoom.exe?'' because for general programs, this action isn't necessary whatsoever, and perhaps you never dragged a file prior in Windows considering you state you have experience in MS-DOS (Heck yeah!). 

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That being said, with some of the responses received, I believe I will “ride off into the sunset”, and if I get the Island mod working, so be it. If not, so be it. It doesn't really seem that this site is the place for me to be.

This, however, is the wrong way of approach. As mentioned above, people can't sense your personal situation, so if you want that to be taken into consideration, it should be mentioned, however summise. If what a generally considered clear-cut error is not clear for you, your opening post should have asked things like:

• ''What is an IWAD?''
• ''I downloaded a file from Doomwadstation, which kinda implies that a doom wad file is downloaded along side. But i don't have that. What is Doom.wad/Doom2.wad?''

But those questions weren't asked. I assume it was written out of frustation, rather than consideration. Correct?

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I should think gzdoom IS a Doom 2 engine, given its later release date, but perhaps not.

GZDoom is a source port. It can run Doom, Doom 2, Heretic, Hexen. I have added a link that defines a Source Port.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Redneckerz

[rzh]

Yeah, sorry if I was a bit rude.

As someone working in an IT-related (not IT though) field, I encounter badly designed, highly obscure and inefficient software all the time.

The type that has "good" errors when you do something successfully and "bad" errors when you fail.

By comparison GZDoom and most other source ports are so clear and well designed (at least to me), that I was a bit baffled when someone couldn't figure out why they got this error message, especially since you said that you tried updating your drivers, which in my experience tells me that someone has at least some experience with computers.

Anyways, to make up for it, I'm also going to try to help you out.

That error message happens because you're missing some files.

Essentially, in order to play the game, you're going to need everything from the GZDoom .zip file, doom2.wad, and island.wad in the same folder.

So, here's step by step.

1. Buy Doom 2 from GoG or Steam (if you do not have doom2.wad; after buying the original game, install it, navigate to the install folder of Doom 2, then copy and paste doom2.wad in the GZDoom folder)
2. Assuming you also have island.wad in the same folder, you can select it by clicking it once, then click and hold it. Now it should give you the option to "move" the file around. Hover it over gzdoom.exe and let it go on top of it. The GZDoom launcher should pop-up and you should be able to launch it with Doom 2: Hell on Earth. I've attached a screenshot to this post to better illustrate what I'm talking about.
3. If everything went fine, you should be able to play the mod, on top of Doom 2, running through GZDoom.

Alternatively, you can use a .wad launcher, which you might find more intuitive, unfortunately I don't use them and I have no experience with them so I cannot recommend you one.

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

"How do I run GzDoom" is a question just as easily answered by Google as it is by our forum members, and you don't have to worry about sarcasm or post limitations. You're getting irritated that people are being slightly sarcastic, but they're taking the time to help you with a problem you could have researched and solved on your own - faster. Hell, you could have just searched the forum here and found an answer, it's a very basic problem. I'm all for helping people with their issues, but when you don't do any research and skip right to making a thread and then complain about the responses you get, some people are naturally going to assume that you aren't too eager to learn and instead want everyone to solve your issues for you out of laziness. I'm not making fun of you, I'm just being realistic.

 

Anyway, when I said that The Island is a DOOM2 wad, I meant that you'll need the DOOM2 iwad. I wasn't implying that GzDoom can't run DOOM2.

Edited January 28, 2022 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[smeghammer]

I did a description of my setup on Windows:
 

 

It expands a bit on @rzh's answer above. I use different paths to organize my stuff, and some entries in the gzdoom-xxx.ini files. This might help you.

Edited January 28, 2022 by smeghammer

[Captain POLAND]

As someone with Aspergers myself, I feel insulted by the suggestion that I wouldn't know what that error message means.

[Maes]

2 hours ago, rzh said:

By comparison GZDoom and most other source ports are so clear and well designed (at least to me), that I was a bit baffled when someone couldn't figure out why they got this error message

 

See, the problem with even the most well-crafted, concise and plain error message is that it requires the user to actually -gasp- read it. As you probably know from your IT field experience, even people that can read stuff just fine when it's written e.g. on a C&D letter (Hell, they might even be the ones writing those C&D letters as a day job!) completely freeze up when it comes to read even the simplest of sentences, if it's displayed on a computer screen. I'd really like to see some research on why that is.

[smeghammer]

1 minute ago, Maes said:

completely freeze up when it comes to read even the simplest of sentences, if it's displayed on a computer screen. I'd really like to see some research on why that is

 

haha yes. My mother in law is a prime example. Granted she is tech illiterate (and that, of course, is perfectly OK), but any kind of Windows alert freaks her out - even if it is not actually a BSOD or a lesser actual error. I think you might be right that there is a blindness when it comes to reading PC alerts. It's possible that non-techies assume that any kind of unexpected alert will be techie and not understandable, and therefore will be ignored.

[Maes]

To elaborate further on this point, a message on a computer screen is treated as something mystical, esoteric, something that should not be acted upon, ever. It's kinda like the "CHECK ENGINE" light in your car, but on steroids.

 

Hey, perhaps that's exactly the problem, and IT should really take a design hint or two from car manufacturers! Why bother explaining anything? Hell, why even bother displaying a specific numerical error code that'd actually make sense only to techies? Cars don't do that! Just a "CHECK COMPUTER" light/error would be enough. And, like in the car world, the only way to see actual error codes would be to crack out an OBD-II scanner, which you simply don't bother owning unless you are at least somewhat mechanically inclined. As soon as you see the "CHECK COMPUTER" light, just turn it off and take it to an authorized stealership :-)

Edited January 28, 2022 by Maes

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

That problem extends beyond error codes, too. The average tech-illiterate person knows to throw away "You won $1,000,000!!!" junk mail, but throw a pop-up on their screen that says "You won $1,000,000!!!" and they'll click on it or ask someone more experienced "is this real?".

 

I think tech-illiterate people just aren't confident enough in trusting their own intelligence and judgement because computers/phones make them feel ignorant, even if they're actually very intelligent.

Edited January 28, 2022 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Shepardus]

People are used to error messages being unhelpful at best, flat-out wrong at worst, about what the actual cause and solution are. So even if GZDoom unambiguously says that it cannot find an IWAD and even lists some examples, OP figured it might be a drivers issue.

[smeghammer]

12 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

I think tech-illiterate people just aren't confident enough in trusting their own intelligence and judgement because computers/phones make them feel ignorant, even if they're actually very intelligent.

 

An excellent point.

[MFG38]

2 hours ago, Captain POLAND said:

As someone with Aspergers myself, I feel insulted by the suggestion that I wouldn't know what that error message means.

 

You shouldn't. One AS person is one AS person, not all of them.

[Redneckerz]

2 hours ago, Maes said:

I'd really like to see some research on why that is.

A bit of a tangent here, but i did read somewhere that things like Twitter and other social media have a play in that. Because our brain increasingly gets tuned to reading ultra short messages, something slightly longer than that gets out of the windows.

 

This isn't in the case of the OP who has a significant reason of interpretation as to why the error message wasn't understood as it was mean't to be. Even though i personally would struggle to see how else that message should be conveyed, clearly there are specific, personal cases where it does not apply.

 

2 hours ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

I think tech-illiterate people just aren't confident enough in trusting their own intelligence and judgement because computers/phones make them feel ignorant, even if they're actually very intelligent.

Coming from a background of the elderly and IT, this is true. The elderly didn't have computers as their generation and as such all these gizmos our generation take for granted are a mystery to them.

 

I think its fair game to state that the OP is very well the same on some levels, with the exception that they have had experience in MS-DOS and thus know the command line well. The way GZDoom works (A portable program that requires an IWAD and for custom levels, an addititional PWAD and you can drag that PWAD over to the executable and it just works) is uncommon to how most modern programs work, which is either just clicking the executable, or using a third party launcher like Steam.

 

So i get it to some extent. But, like i mentioned prior, the error in general is clear enough to atleast give away a hint on where to look next.

 

''Okay, so it mentions a Doom.wad or a Doom2.wad. Do i have this? Yes/no? Why do i not have this?'' And so forth..

 

This isn't the train of thought OP had which would be a common one for most people. That is, until OP mentioned his personal situation. And then the above train of thought isn't so obvious. So i get that and i hope i carried it significantly enough across in my explanation to the OP.

 

But still, read the text and go from there :P

Edited January 28, 2022 by Redneckerz

[Ludi]

On 1/27/2022 at 11:29 AM, TelicAx7 said:

The green crosses are a much more brilliant idea than hearts or pill bottles for health, and while the Red Cross is iconic, it isn’t a huge loss. Green is also a very commonly used color for medical.

 

I'm gonna use the shitty pill sprites for my wads now out of spite

[MoreMending]

4 hours ago, Sr_Ludicolo said:

 

I'm gonna use the shitty pill sprites for my wads now out of spite

That's gonna mildly piss so many people off lol

[Teo Slayer]

You need to put the IWADs in the same folder where GZDoom is placed. After that, execute GZ and it will send you to the IWAD selection screen

[MoreMending]

Also if you drag a PWAD (that sort of custom wad everyone makes) on to gzdoom.exe then gzdoom will run that PWAD after you select what IWAD you want to use it with. Same thing happens with .pk3 files, no clue about batch files because I have absolutely no idea how to make one work.

Edited January 30, 2022 by MoreMending

[Maes]

On 1/27/2022 at 2:51 AM, An0maly_76 said:

Four Episodes, so I have the full standard WAD. But all I remember doing with Island before was simply installing it into the same directory, maybe. It's been awhile. What do you mean by dragging the mod file into gzdoom.exe?

 

A little told truth is that there have always been prepackaged, "ready to play" distributions of various mods out there, which included everything you needed to play them, including a source port (usually, some outdated version of ZDoom) and an IWAD. The latter is considered a no-no, but it does happen. Perhaps you were spoiled by something like this all along?

[CBM]

On 1/27/2022 at 1:24 AM, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

GzDOOM doesn't come with a copy of DOOM/2 - you need to provide the proper .iwads.

true but it ought to come with one. That was my whole mission with gzfreedoom.

 

But it turned out that the name would make people confused about the difference between gzfreedoom and freedoom

 

I renamed it but honestly, that project has been stalled for a long time at this point

Edited January 31, 2022 by CBM

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

5 minutes ago, CBM said:

true but it ought to come with one. That was my whole mission with gzfreedoom.

 

But it turned out that the name would make people confused about the difference between gzfreedoom and freedoom

 

I renamed it but honestly, that project has been stalled for a long time at this point

I was going to ask you how anyone could be confused about something like that, but then I remembered what thread we're in lol

 

I hope one day FreeDOOM will be complete and polished so it can be included with GzDoom, but then you'll have people confused and asking "what's wrong with my copy of GzDoom, why do all the monsters look funny?".

 

Good luck to you on your project, I remember you talking about it some months back.

Edited January 31, 2022 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[CBM]

3 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

I was going to ask you how anyone could be confused about something like that, but then I remembered what thread we're in lol

 

I hope on day FreeDOOM will be complete and polished so it can be included with GzDoom, but then you'll have people confused and asking "what's wrong with my copy of GzDoom, why do all the monsters look funny?".

maybe, lol

 

my mission with gzfreedoom was also that it should act as a technical showcase of the possibilities in gzdoom... until I discovered that I am still only aware of maybe half of what can be done in GZDoom :-)

 

not to mention everything that can be done with scripting

 

in theory.. 3d models of the doom monsters could be added to a GZDoom edition of Freedoom siince its not the original sprites but then people might complain that the levels are different or something

Edited January 31, 2022 by CBM