dei_eldren’s cringe derail extravaganza

[dei_eldren]

Oh damn...  unfortunately i never support political causes, no matter what the universal opinion on them is.  My loss.

[Thelokk]

56 minutes ago, dei_eldren said:

Oh damn...  unfortunately i never support political causes, no matter what the universal opinion on them is.  My loss.

 

Yup, definitely your loss. On more than one level, I might add. 'Cause, you know, helping people ravaged by war is clearly a political cause only. Yeah. 

 

Aaaaanyway... just downloaded the map, pretty good stuff! Opened it up in UDB for curiosity and holy hell, it almost feels refreshing seeing a map with no voodoo dolls plastered all over it. Old school still got something left to say, it seems. 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Thelokk

[The_SloVinator]

41 minutes ago, dei_eldren said:

Oh damn...  unfortunately i never support political causes, no matter what the universal opinion on them is.  My loss.

This isn't a donation to political causes but rather Ukrainians suffering due to destruction & many other issues leading to it.

[Murdoch]

3 hours ago, dei_eldren said:

Oh damn...  unfortunately i never support political causes, no matter what the universal opinion on them is.  My loss.

 

The fact that you think donating to help people who lives have been torn apart by a war they did not want and did not start is "political" is sickeningly twisted and callous on a level I can barely wrap my mind around. And that you felt so apparently proud of that you just HAD to say something in a public forum instead of shutting the hell up makes my brain hurt. Christ dude.

[Thelokk]

8 minutes ago, Murdoch said:

 

The fact that you think donating to help people who lives have been torn apart by a war they did not want and did not start is "political" is sickeningly twisted and callous on a level I can barely wrap my mind around. And that you felt so apparently proud of that you just HAD to say something in a public forum instead of shutting the hell up makes my brain hurt. Christ dude.

 

So much this. As a half Ukrainian, having the continued survival of my culture called 'a political issue' irks me quite a bit. 

 

Equally sickening is the 'I'm not paying 5 bucks for a single level' attitude I've been seeing here and on Twitter. We're not paying for a level, we are helping a relief effort. The level is a bonus to entice and add some 'fun' to the mix. How hard is it to understand?

[Azuris]

I'll support it.

The russian Convoy will soon be there to start Artillery with all its Destruction and Death.
The Money is needed for the Victims.

 

@Thelokk

That is disgusting.
I bought it not because i want to play the Map, more so because i like it that Romero spend its Time to convince some Doom Fans to spend some Money for a good Thing.

So i "voted" with my Money to show him, that it is good Thing that he uses his Fame to convince People.

Edited March 3, 2022 by Azuris

[Murdoch]

Just now, Thelokk said:

 

So much this. As a half Ukrainian, having the continued survival of my culture called 'a political issue' irks me quite a bit. 

 

Equally sickening is the 'I'm not paying 5 bucks for a single level' attitude I've been seeing here and on Twitter. We're not paying for a level, we are helping a relief effort. The level is a bonus to entice and add some 'fun' to the mix. How hard is it to understand?

 

Precisely. I added that jackass to my blocklist. I have zero desire to deal with anyone whose mind is that twisted.

[dei_eldren]

20 minutes ago, Murdoch said:

 

The fact that you think donating to help people who lives have been torn apart by a war they did not want and did not start is "political" is sickeningly twisted and callous on a level I can barely wrap my mind around. And that you felt so apparently proud of that you just HAD to say something in a public forum instead of shutting the hell up makes my brain hurt. Christ dude.

 

i guess i don't think in the same terms as you do.  Your interpretation of my words and actions is based on the image of me you've created with the help of your prejudice and imagination alone.  But no, i do not support (political) social causes, ever.  i have my reasons.  Am i callous?  That's just a word you throw to condemn me.  Am i proud?  Why?  Because, like everyone else, i said what i think?  My intent was to lament the fact that i can't buy the map in good conscience.  

 

In fact, you seem to be proud, virtue signalling, to judge me.  Why not just accept some people don't see affairs of the world in same light as you do?

[Thelokk]

6 minutes ago, dei_eldren said:

 

i guess i don't think in the same terms as you do.  Your interpretation of my words and actions is based on the image of me you've created with the help of your prejudice and imagination alone.  But no, i do not support (political) social causes, ever.  i have my reasons.  Am i callous?  That's just a word you throw to condemn me.  Am i proud?  Why?  Because, like everyone else, i said what i think?  My intent was to lament the fact that i can't buy the map in good conscience.  

 

In fact, you seem to be proud, virtue signalling, to judge me.  Why not just accept some people don't see affairs of the world in same light as you do?

 

Oh we accept your stance - none of us has knocked at your door yet to make you buy anything I wager. 

 

Doesn't mean we can't shred it to pieces and laugh at the remains. Acceptance doesn't mean supinely keeping silent. You post in a public forum, you must be ready take the flak. Simple. 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Thelokk

[dei_eldren]

1 minute ago, Thelokk said:

 

Oh we accept it - none of us has knocked at your door yet to make you buy anything I wager. 

 

Doesn't mean we can't shred it to pieces. Acceptance doesn't mean supinely keeping silent. 

 

Spoken like a member of the mob.  Why does what i say need to be shred to pieces, you can't bear dissent?  i've no problem with anyone who doesn't agree with me... see the difference?  Why is that?  This isn't a thread about geopolitics anyway, so is this the thread to tear what i say to pieces?

 

By the way, before you know whether or not what i say should be torn to pieces, shouldn't you know the reasoning behind it?  This isn't a thread for that discussion, and i'm not sure i'd be willing to have such a discussion on a Doom-forum.  You're just knee-jerk reacting because i'm a threat to your cherished worldview... you need consensus and orthodoxy so that you can feel good about yourself.  That's what's going on with you, my friend.

[Silhouette 03]

3 minutes ago, dei_eldren said:

long post.

 Dude,  please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself and derailing this perfectly innocent thread. I don’t understand why you felt the need to say that in the first place.  A relief effort is in no way a political cause. People’s lives are being destroyed or upended because of the invasion. You’re being very disrespectful and apathetic. These people need all the help they can get. 

[Zaxxon]

1 hour ago, Murdoch said:

 

The fact that you think donating to help people who lives have been torn apart by a war they did not want and did not start is "political" is sickeningly twisted and callous on a level I can barely wrap my mind around. And that you felt so apparently proud of that you just HAD to say something in a public forum instead of shutting the hell up makes my brain hurt. Christ dude.

 

You're coming of as major snowflake with a comment like that. He's allowed to have an opinion and to shared it here, just like you're allowed to get ofended, make a big deal out of it for no reason and make it sound like you've just witnessed the greatest betrayal of humankind... and of course, the rest of us are allowed to laugh at your writings. :D Chill dude! Remember - this is a forum about video games.

Edited March 3, 2022 by Zaxxon

[dei_eldren]

Just now, Silent Wolf said:

 Dude,  please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself and derailing this perfectly innocent thread. I don’t understand why you felt the need to say that in the first place.  A relief effort is in no way a political cause. People’s lives are being destroyed or upended because of the invasion. You’re being very disrespectful and apathetic. These people need all the help they can get. 

 

No, false narrative.  i disagree with the consensus, and some other people felt that was a reason to start derailing the thread with ad hom attacks against me.  i reserve the right and have the will to address points made directly about me.  And i entirely disagree that it's me who's embarassing myself, but then the opinion of the unthinking makes little difference to me, so if someone finds me embarassed, you're welcome to it.  i can withstand your disapproval.

[Murdoch]

2 minutes ago, Zaxxon said:

 

You're coming of as major snowflake with a comment like that. He's allowed to have an opinion and to shared it here, just like you're allowed to get ofended, make a big deal out of it for no reason and make it sound like you've just witnessed the greatest betrayal of human kind... and of course, the rest of us are allowed to laugh at your writings. :D Chill dude! Remember - this is a forum about video games.

 

I have said all I have going to say on the matter and I 100% stand by what I said. Leave it alone. Let's get back on topic.

[ReaperAA]

8 minutes ago, Silent Wolf said:

 Dude,  please stop.

 

I think people ganging up on dei_eldren need to stop. He has the right to his opinion.

 

Anyway, I wish I could contribute. But right now I am broke AF.

Edited March 3, 2022 by ReaperAA

[Silhouette 03]

16 minutes ago, ReaperAA said:

 

I think people ganging up on dei_eldren need to stop. He has the right to his opinion.

 

Anyway, I wish I could contribute. But right now I am broke AF.

 I don’t have a problem with dei eldren expressing his opinion, it’s the opinion itself. It’s disrespectful and insulting. Regardless, it is an opinion so in order for this thread to not be derailed further I’ll give dei the benefit of the doubt. I still stand by what I said.

 

Back on topic, I’m definitely going to have to fork over some money for this. I still enjoyed Sigil despite it’s flaws. I wait with equal excitement and fear for Romero’s next offering, whenever that may be

. I fear what Romero has in store for us, especially since he has  rediscovered chaingunners, arch-viles and revenants.

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Silent Wolf

[whatup876]

I assumed his opinion has something to do with the "Keep politics out of gaming" part.

Because does that mean "all politics" or just the annoying version of it created circa 2010's?

Like, do your elder relatives that assisted historical moments care about political analysis of kids cartoons, debates over representation in videogames or some internet arguements revolving reaction images and internet lingo?

 

Besides, most of the focus here seems to be more about the people themselves.

It's like doing donations for world hunger or cancer research.

And it involves a creative twist to it, being the use of Doom mapping.

As far as i know, it's not on the same level as people posting clips of Avengers movies and editing it to make it about current events.

 

Good to see why finally get a glimpse of SIGIL 2.

[esselfortium]

2 hours ago, dei_eldren said:

 

No, false narrative.  i disagree with the consensus, and some other people felt that was a reason to start derailing the thread with ad hom attacks against me.  i reserve the right and have the will to address points made directly about me.  And i entirely disagree that it's me who's embarassing myself, but then the opinion of the unthinking makes little difference to me, so if someone finds me embarassed, you're welcome to it.  i can withstand your disapproval.

Which consensus do you disagree with here, specifically? The consensus that civilians shouldn't be indiscriminately murdered for territory, or something else?

[Kute]

3 hours ago, dei_eldren said:

 

No, false narrative.  i disagree with the consensus, and some other people felt that was a reason to start derailing the thread with ad hom attacks against me.  i reserve the right and have the will to address points made directly about me.  And i entirely disagree that it's me who's embarassing myself, but then the opinion of the unthinking makes little difference to me, so if someone finds me embarassed, you're welcome to it.  i can withstand your disapproval.

May I ask your reasoning as to why Ukraine deserved this invasion?

[Gibbon]

3 hours ago, dei_eldren said:

 

No, false narrative.  i disagree with the consensus, and some other people felt that was a reason to start derailing the thread with ad hom attacks against me.  i reserve the right and have the will to address points made directly about me.  And i entirely disagree that it's me who's embarassing myself, but then the opinion of the unthinking makes little difference to me, so if someone finds me embarassed, you're welcome to it.  i can withstand your disapproval.

 

While I don't agree with attacks (that is just juvenile) there is a clear line between political and 'aid'.  It is easy to brush everything off as 'political' from the comfort of a chair in suburbia.

 

I've witnessed first-hand (yes in real life) the difference between aid and politics..  and it brings you to tears.

[Clippy]

It makes me sad that people aren't just taking the support or leaving it and turning it into another page of nonsensical fights and bickering

 

Fuck sakes

[dei_eldren]

1 hour ago, esselfortium said:

Which consensus do you disagree with here, specifically? The consensus that civilians shouldn't be indiscriminately murdered for territory, or something else?

 

That we live in a simplified black and white world of good and evil where all you need to do to know the truth and assess things is to watch the news or read a newspaper. and occasionally donate money to where you are told you should - and that's just for starters, as a generic superficial summary tailored for you, as a believer in this system we live in.  This whole system, which is supported by a parallel consensus that i don't agree with, is supposedly kept up by threats of coercion and war, both domestically and internationally, and when the balance, allegedly, tips, then war is enacted upon by one side or the other.  And then all the supporters of this system, which again, i do not support nor partake in, start hating war - especially when it's not their side that's the aggressor.

 

Hey, you people who wanna donate to suffering Ukrainians, how much did you donate to Iraq in the 1990s and early 2000s when USA was ravaging it?  No, if you don't think USA was, i'm not going to debate you or tell you any facts about it, your ignorance is your business.  You think the Iraqis weren't suffering?  You have any idea how many civilians were killed?  Where were you then?  So what's different now?  The aggressor?  i bet you don't even know the real reasons for the conflict.  But i'm not giong to go there.

Edited March 3, 2022 by dei_eldren

[dew]

Are you some fucking debate vampire? You asked for an invite by throwing out a ghoulish troll opinion and now you can walk in freely and debate the heck out of a war relief effort? You're gross, I have no idea why this is tolerated. You said you don't care, so GO AWAY and do whatever it is you care about.

Edited March 3, 2022 by dew

[Kinsie]

Help a good cause, get a cool new level, and get to watch some random nobody who talks like an anime villain demand to become today's main character. This thread has no downsides!

[captain caleb]

Nearly every time I logon to Doomworld, I regret it. This is a shining example of why.

Do better, Doom community.