Deadline Announced! [Community Project] Pandora (Shovelware MegaWad) - All Slots Taken

[adamastor]

Do keep in mind that there's good Shovelware, folks. We've come across a few examples on our travels.

 

Custom stuff, such as status bars ans sound replacements are nineties gold as well.

[Thelokk]

13 minutes ago, Biodegradable said:

 

Would it not be more ideal for this project to simply channel the spirit of haphazardly made Shovel-ware maps from the 90s rather than blatantly parroting shitty shovelware practices?

 

Yeah, ar least that's how I had interpreted it. Original maps that looked and played like shovelware.

[Jaccident]

I've never played any of those 90's shovelware discs, nor have I ever published any of the maps I've made because I'm fairly critical of my work. However, I'd like to give this a go, as I'm guessing the bar for map quality will be astronomically low. Can I have map24 so that even if my map is utter trash, it'll still be better than having to play The Chasm?

Also, is there a deadline? (I'm fairly busy these next few weeks)

[Pixel Fiend]

It's not the worst idea because I don't remember playing a similar map. But it doesn't play well so I'm scrapping it and will create something new. At least I had a chance to edit the original once for once, I'm a newbie mapper too.

[Thelokk]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Kong said:

Do keep in mind that there's good Shovelware, folks. We've come across a few examples on our travels.

 

Custom stuff, such as status bars ans sound replacements are nineties gold as well.

 

Honestly, since this project is attracting a lot of attention from new and inexperienced mappers, I feel we coul all benefit from a small laundry list of 'good' shovelware. Any name that comes to mind @Mr. Kong, @Gibbon? Iirc we played a thing called REDROOM or something we agreed was pretty decent. 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Thelokk

[adamastor]

6 minutes ago, Thelokk said:

Honestly, since this project is attracting a lot of attention from new and inexperienced mappers, I feel we coul all benefit from a small laundry list of 'good' shovelware. Any name that comes to mind @Mr. Kong? Iirc we played a thing called REDROOM or something we agreed was pretty decent. 

I thought about something like that. Maybe it'd be a way to put our misadventures to some good use here.

From the top of my head, I can reccommend  UTOPIA2.WAD, 2SIEGE.WAD, redroom.wad and redroom2.wad are pretty good examples.
Honestly, the compilation with the highest concentration of more polished WADs is Maximum Doom, which also includes the Master Levels. So I'd say that's a pretty good place to start.

If you don't have it handy, you can get it here (minus the Master Levels): Maximum Doom.

 

Hope that's helpful.

[Gibbon]

I can also recommend CRESEN2.WAD from Maximum Doom, it is my ultimate favourite map, with its seizure inducing statbar :)

[Gibbon]

@ReaperAA - I gave you MAP17

[ReaperAA]

7 minutes ago, Gibbon said:

@ReaperAA - I gave you MAP17

 

Fine by me. If i am allowed to name it, I would like to call my map Revenation

[Gibbon]

Just now, ReaperAA said:

 

Fine by me. If i am allowed to name it, I would like to call my map Revenation

 

Name your maps however you wish :)

 

[Thelokk]

Soooo, I'm already having technical hurdles XD go me. 

 

What's the vanilla way to put custom skies and music? I imagine DOS would probably blow up in my face if I dared putting a MAPINFO lump in. 

[Wavy]

Also, I'll have a shot a creating a TITLEPIC and an STBAR as well. Is there anything specific that you're looking for in it?

Edited March 7, 2022 by Wavy
There's already an STBAR :p

[Gibbon]

12 minutes ago, Thelokk said:

Soooo, I'm already having technical hurdles XD go me. 

 

What's the vanilla way to put custom skies and music? I imagine DOS would probably blow up in my face if I dared putting a MAPINFO lump in. 

MAPINFO isn't supported.

 

Custom Skies and Music need to overwrite the SKY and MUS numbers / names of the originals.

 

For the final EXE, I'll do a custom DOOM2.EXE with changed levelnames (just because it'll be extra sweet).

 

A note for all, I will be doing a basewad with the sky textures and some basic things that are DOS friendly.  As well as a STATBAR and ARMS from Mr. Kong himself!

 

For the ENDOOM (credits).  We can come up with something, even if I have to use my leet MS Paint skills :D

Edited March 6, 2022 by Gibbon

[xdude_gamer]

OH NICE I GOT MAP01?!

[Gibbon]

27 minutes ago, xdude_gamer said:

OH NICE I GOT MAP01?!

 

Feel free to change it.  Remember that discord chat from last month?  I added your map to it since I wasn't sure if you would want to change it or not.

 

EDIT: I have now added a basewad with the STBAR and STARMS from CRESCEN2.

Edited March 6, 2022 by Gibbon

[xdude_gamer]

12 minutes ago, Gibbon said:

 

Feel free to change it.  Remember that discord chat from last month?  I added your map to it since I wasn't sure if you would want to change it or not.

I'm pretty sure you mean the CYBRDEMN one, right?

[Gibbon]

Just now, xdude_gamer said:

I'm pretty sure you mean the CYBRDEMN one, right?

 

Yeah.  I placed yours in slot 1 since you did the first map anyway.

[xdude_gamer]

2 minutes ago, Gibbon said:

 

Yeah.  I placed yours in slot 1 since you did the first map anyway.

Alright! Sounds cool. I might make some music for this if I get the time as well, since we are basically making a full PWAD here.

[adamastor]

7 minutes ago, xdude_gamer said:

Alright! Sounds cool. I might make some music for this if I get the time as well, since we are basically making a full PWAD here.

That's be great.
If you do go through with it, maybe MIDI versions of popular nineties trash metal would be a good choice for this.

[Astronomical]

Exited to see where this project goes.  Map 29 Please!

[Gibbon]

14 minutes ago, Astronomical said:

Exited to see where this project goes.  Map 29 Please!

Sold!

[Pixel Fiend]

Does anyone have a map yet? I made something new but I feel I messed something up again. Maybe I should compare.

[Gibbon]

2 minutes ago, game said:

Does anyone have a map yet? I made something new but I feel I messed something up again. Maybe I should compare.

You could compare to my MAP02/03 and see how it fares

[Pixel Fiend]

Sign me out. Sorry. My fault.

[Gibbon]

17 minutes ago, game said:

Sign me out. Sorry. My fault.

 

Roger that, if you want to come back later, you can have one of my 2 reserved slots.

 

EDIT: I have now uploaded a fresh basewad that is cleanly created via deutex.  It contains my MAP02 and MAP03 slots and an STBAR/STARMS from our good friend @Mr. Kong as he suggested I use this one as it is a classic.

Edited March 6, 2022 by Gibbon

[Large Cat]

I can't say I'm well-versed in 90's shovelware, but it seems like an interesting project and an excuse for me to do some interesting "research" to get the vibe. Could I get a map slot? Any slot will do, but I'll ask for MAP23 if you'd like me to request something specific. Since we're not worrying so much about difficulty, does that mean I can basically ignore which specific slot I have (since it isn't 07 or a secret map)?

[Gibbon]

1 minute ago, Large Cat said:

I can't say I'm well-versed in 90's shovelware, but it seems like an interesting project and an excuse for me to do some interesting "research" to get the vibe. Could I get a map slot? Any slot will do, but I'll ask for MAP23 if you'd like me to request something specific. Since we're not worrying so much about difficulty, does that mean I can basically ignore which specific slot I have (since it isn't 07 or a secret map)?

 

Correct.  A MAP 23 doesn't have to be large or difficult and a MAP 04 doesn't need to be small and easy.  The lovable thing with shovelware is not knowing what you've got.

[adamastor]

Like a box of chocolates.

 

[CoolerDoomeR]

6 hours ago, Gibbon said:

Welcome to Pandora! A community project that aims to produce a modern megawad full of maps that 'would have' been considered as shovelware back in the mid-90's.

This is a very low-threshold CP.  As long as the map can be completed without cheats, then it can go in, let your wildest crazy-a** dreams come true!

 

Pandora is the shovelware challenge started by @Mr. Kong 

 

Story:

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Doomguy was on discord rehab with the Doomies Shovelware Crackfiend Society and this felt like a good idea at the time

 

IWAD - Doom2.WAD
Port - Vanilla (Must be able to run in DOS).  Use whatever you want for your own testing but keep DOS Vanilla limits in-mind.
Play: SP, DM and COOP

 

Mapping Regulations:

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- The level MUST be able to run in the original executable.

 

- The level must be able to be completed without cheats.

 

- Must have support for all difficulties and all play types (SP, DM and COOP)

 

- MAP difficulty isn't a concern.  Bag it the way you want it, but try to be reasonable.

- You can have a custom midi, just keep the DOS limit in-mind (65kb)

 

- don't obsess over your map.  If you think it is ready then it is ready.  Misaligned textures etc..  are part of the charm (but don't overdo it).
 

 

Maplist (three were already done via discord chats, the rest are fair game):

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Map01 - Pandora - @xdude_gamer - complete
Map02 - 2Cybies1BFG - @Gibbon - complete
Map03 - Laundry Facility - @Gibbon -complete
Map04 - @Dubium
Map05 - @Endless
Map06 - @game
Map07 - @ScrappyMcDoogerton
Map08 - @Roofi
Map09 - @Worriedidiot

Map10 - @thiccyosh
Map11 - @Wavy
Map12 - @Walter confetti
Map13 -
Map14 - @PasokonDeacon
Map15 - 
Map16 - @knifeworld
Map17 - @ReaperAA
Map18 - 
Map19 - @Thelokk
Map20 - 
Map21 - 
Map22 - 
Map23 - @Large Cat
Map24 - @Jaccident
Map25 -
Map26 -
Map27 - 
Map28 - 
Map29 - @Astronomical
Map30 -
Map31 - 
Map32 - 

 

1. If you make a map / update a map in your slot, post whatever you wish to keep us updated.

 

2. TITLEPIC/ENDOOM etc..  are all totally optional.  Since my graphics skills are that of a developer, I'm not making this mandatory.

 

3. Dehacked will be used for Levelnames only.

 

4. Base wad:

https://mega.nz/file/oRUyBRrI

Key: X2o-UpRcBoAgg9X3zvxBdUJQ-EUVASTagwAN4ySIgUE

 

5. Maps that are done are hosted here (as examples etc..):

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https://mega.nz/folder/AMdWGJDC

Key: snLk8ZYII2IrIlumV5tQfQ

 

 

6. Deadline: When it is done.

 

Long live shovelware!

 

PS. Despite my choice of map names, it isn't a mock wad :P

Good job, it's cool!

I will try it out when it's released.

[Origamyde]

Hey there, Gibbon! 

 

If there's still an available slot for this project, I'm in! I would love to take Map13 :)

 

Thanks in advance!