goofy lookin shotguns

[doomboy69]

what kind of shotguns is doomguy holding?

 

 

 

[Hawk of The Crystals]

A royalty-free pump action shotgun.

[Doom Dragon]

A toy shotgun that's being held up a certain way with the hand removed during the digitization process.

[raymoohawk]

was it realy a toy? if so has the specific model been found? i know several toys for the hud sprites have been identified over the years

[Doomkid]

They look like photos of the Tootsie Toy Dakota, but for some reason they’ve completely removed the butt of the gun where it’s meant to rest against your shoulder, leaving a really small and pathetic looking grip, lol.

 

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/dakota-shotgun-260cf1f0975942b980ee8a3912179550
 

Here’s another image to clarify the part they removed. Even though this is a break action, it should still be obvious:

 

[Gez]

On the title picture, it looks like the butt of the gun is cut off from the picture by Doomguy's own butt.

 

On the E4 end screen, it's the same gun, just flipped and downscaled a bit. And it seems they've decided to slice off the butt instead of drawing it.

[CoolerDoomeR]

That was nice, Community of doom really needs the beta version weapons!(Pump-action SSG, this shotgun and others)

[Shrekmeister]

toy gun modified to be  royalty free

[Okej5722]

A bad looking shotgun, but hey! I'm not American, so what would I know about guns ;P

[Decay]

21 hours ago, Doomkid said:

They look like photos of the Tootsie Toy Dakota, but for some reason they’ve completely removed the butt of the gun where it’s meant to rest against your shoulder, leaving a really small and pathetic looking grip, lol.

 

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/dakota-shotgun-260cf1f0975942b980ee8a3912179550
 

Here’s another image to clarify the part they removed. Even though this is a break action, it should still be obvious:

 

It's tacticool! See here

Edited April 11, 2022 by Decay

[Doomkid]

2 minutes ago, Decay said:

It's tacticool! See here

 

http://www.williamsarms.net/usedguns/DSCN0838.JPG

Woah, cool. Looks a lot more convenient to carry around!

 

It's strange that the butt still seems to be there on the floor sprite though.. Then again it wouldn't be the first inconsistency in Doom's art!

 

[Decay]

More convenient to carry, considerably more awful to use. As for the "type" it's pretty much looking any generic pump from most makers. That's about as standard as you can get.

[gwain]

if you want an even goofier looking shotgun play strain.wad

[Nootrac4571]

I suspect it's supposed to look like Kyle Reese's shotgun from the first Terminator movie, which is an Ithaca 37 with the stock sawn off (to better hide it under a coat.)

 

https://terminator.fandom.com/wiki/Ithaca_37

[Hellektronic]

It seems digitally edited to me, I think the doom 1 artwork it looks sweet. In 2, I think the stock is just edited to look sawn-down to a pistol grip for some reason. I mean, is it sawn-down in the game? Maybe! Maybe not. You can't tell what doomguy does to his poor guns behind the camera.

But most people speculate that it's a Remington 870 or some similar type, or like a Winchester or something. It's basically a generic woodgrain-ish looking shotgun with an extended tube mag I think, hence the long part under the barrel. Most pump shotguns are all kind of the same thing more or less, so it could be any shotgun, people just associate that image with like an 870 style shotgun. I think Winchester developed the first pump action shotgun, and it looked exactly like that, so it's a pretty traditional design. Reece in Aliens is using an Ithica, which is (like I said) exactly like a winchester, the company stole the design from Winchester... over a design contract with the US Army or something? Ithica was offering better, so the Army just went with Ithica instead. It's like a copy.

An Ithica is just a Winchester basically. Which is just a Remington, which is just a copy of every other pump shotgun, lol. Sometimes you'll have quality differences, but really, a shotgun is shotgun. Unless we're talking weird internal clips or something instead of a tube mag, then it's a weird shotgun.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Hellektronic

[7Mahonin]

Doom's shotgun is a toy obviously, but to bring it into real life it is quite simple, really. It is a pump action shotgun with rifle sights, has an 18.5' barrel, and would likely hold 5-7 shells in real life. The forend is made of wood and is squared off in style (they do make forends like those for shotguns, but the oval shaped ones are more common), and a wood buttstock which looks like it has been cut down for a more tactical length of pull, so likely a 12.5" buttstock. In some images, the stock has been replaced with a wooden pistol grip, often called the Witness Protection or birdshead pistol grip. The one most people are more familiar with are vertical pistol grips, as seen on the shotgun in DN3D.

 

A tad OT, but this video explains why LOP (length of pull) is important and could shed light on why Doomguy would not use a standard length stock, and perhaps why you may not want to either.

 

As for why he has a PGO stock in 1-2 images, it is likely because... it just looked cool for the artist to edit it that way for those images.

Edited April 23, 2022 by 7Mahonin

[Jello]

On 4/10/2022 at 10:40 PM, Decay said:

It's tacticool! See here

That's a raptor grip. It was designed to get around the minimum length restriction for a shotgun being 26 inches overall, or having at least an 18 inch barrel. I'm kind of surprised that they're legal, but Mossberg has been selling shotguns with 14" barrels, despite the legal limit for shotgun barrels being 18". But because the overall length from the factory is over 26 inches, barely, due to the raptor grip, it's legal. And it has been affirmed so by the ATF.

 

If you put a standard pistol grip on that shotgun after you bought it, it would be non-NFA compliant, and you could face federal charges. You would be making a short barrel shotgun, and you could feel the full brunt of the ATF on you. But because it was factory designed this way, it's fine. If you wanted to put a standard pistol grip on it, you'd have to put a longer barrel on it. And replace the magazine tube as well so it fits with the longer barrel. The magazine tube cap on Mossberg shotguns doesn't really work with a magazine extension, unlike the Remington 870.

 

I love Mossberg, they make fantastic shotguns. But the raptor grip just came out a few years ago, and I immediately saw what they were doing. They were trying to get around restrictions on short barrel shotguns, and just barely. By a few tenths of inches.

 

Again, I love Mossberg shotguns, they're very reliable. I have two of them, one is for waterfowl and turkey hunting, and it's a long gun, around 48" inches from butt to barrel. The other one is a short barrel, 20" barrel, add 8" for the receiver, and it has a collapsible M4 stock. But all together it's around 36" at a comfortable length, I could collapse the stock and get it down to 32", but I don't, it works well the way it is. But seeing them try to get them down to 26" "just because" kind of pisses me off. It's a good way to get the ATF breathing down your necks.

 

 

Edited April 24, 2022 by Jello

[Decay]

That's a lot of irrelevant text because laws differ from country to country. I can buy shotguns here with 12 inch barrels no problem.

[7Mahonin]

The raptor grip is just a marketing term for the grip I described earlier. It is nothing new, and can be used on 18+ inch barrel shotguns as well.

 

The ATF needs to be abolished anyways, but pistol grips in general are a poor choice for home defense use compared to a buttstock that is fitted for your length of pull. The pistol grip shotgun, regardless of what type of pistol grip it is, will only be more compact for storage, and when someone uses one beyond ridiculous hip-fire, it stretches out far longer than a shotgun with a stock. There's also no logical reason to prohibit shotgun barrel length, as at 10-14 inches there is no significant loss in velocity when compared to the 18-20 inch barrels that are common for tactical/defense shotguns. Criminals will saw down the barrel regardless of any silly law, and if they want short, they'll use a break-action (and rarely, a bolt action shotgun), not a pump action which can only be cut down from the muzzle end as far as the mag tube goes.

 

@Jello My Mossberg shotgun has a 20" barrel with a 12.5 LOP stock, this makes the overall length 39", half an inch shorter than the standard 18.5' barrel model with the standard 14.5" buttstock. If the M4 style stock works for you, then that's good, you have the same ability to adjust the LOP to fit your body, which is always a good thing.

 

Also, Decay is correct. Canada, for example, can have shorter barrels than the US without having to pay a tax stamp to the government.

Edited April 24, 2022 by 7Mahonin

[ChopBlock223]

On 4/10/2022 at 9:14 AM, Doomkid said:

They look like photos of the Tootsie Toy Dakota, but for some reason they’ve completely removed the butt of the gun where it’s meant to rest against your shoulder, leaving a really small and pathetic looking grip, lol.

 

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/dakota-shotgun-260cf1f0975942b980ee8a3912179550
 

Here’s another image to clarify the part they removed. Even though this is a break action, it should still be obvious:

 

Shotguns with sawed off stocks or/and barrels seemed like they were particularly in vogue in 90s entertainment. It was probably decided on a whim to just edit out the stock to get a certain 'rough' look.

 

You get a shorter and lighter gun that way, but with no stock to hold it steady against your shoulder it's harder to shoot for practical accuracy, and with pump-actions it's slightly less easy to cycle, with harsher recoil (the gun weighing less and not holding it steady against your upper body, your arms absorb the recoil energy alone, leaving out the rest of your body).

 

Entirely doable still, of course, some people practice a lot with shooting stockless shotguns and get pretty good at it. Doomguy probably would, and Duke Nukem does it for sure.

 

On 4/11/2022 at 6:48 AM, Doomkid said:

It's strange that the butt still seems to be there on the floor sprite though.. Then again it wouldn't be the first inconsistency in Doom's art!

 

It's also there on the baldy's shotguns.

 

On 4/24/2022 at 4:32 PM, 7Mahonin said:

Also, Decay is correct. Canada, for example, can have shorter barrels than the US without having to pay a tax stamp to the government.

The mounties are also weird about it, you can buy a short shotgun in Canada on a regular Personal Acquisition License, and it's like any other shotgun (can even mail it to your door, unlike the US), yet if you bought the same shotgun but long and then cut it down, making the exact same gun, that's absolutely illegal.

 

It's like the ATF in the US okaying a shotgun with a birds heads grip and an overall length of 26" if it came that way from the factory, but so help you GOD if you convert an existing stocked shotgun to that exact same configuration without registering it as an NFA item.

Rules created by unelected bureaucrats.