Dance on the Water - /idgames

[El Inferno]

Dance on the Water is a collection of 10 boom-compatible maps featuring challenging combat and platforming. Most of the maps are short to medium in length, except map 3 which might take more than 10 hours to beat on UV. 

 

Maps are very difficult. Consider switching to HMP if you’re not having a good time dying over and over in a single fight. The harder parts and many platforming sections are toned down compared to UV. HNTR and ITYTD are bonus difficulties with an entirely different monster placement, I don’t recommend them for first playthroughs. Most of the maps are “-nomonsters”-friendly. The mapset can be played both from pistol starts and continuously, the latter will make your life slightly easier. 

 

Slots: 1-7, 31, 32. Map 4 has exits to maps 5 and 6, and both of these maps lead to map 7.

Format: complevel 9 + umapinfo support, tested on dsda-doom. Gzdoom ports aren’t recommended due to performance issues on some maps and an incorrect behavior of dehacked code on maps 3, 6.

 

If you want to stream or upload videos of the maps, keep in mind that many midis are covers of real songs so copyright issues are possible.

 

Playtesting:
@Arbys550
@David Asaad
@KineticBeverage 
@Lucky_Edie
@Killer5
@Plats
@PrBoomerJuice

 

Special thanks to:
@ukiro for the OTEX texture pack
@Insane_Gazebo for Titlepic and M_DOOM
David Asaad for map33 fight design

KineticBeverage for map32

 

Screenshots:

Spoiler

Map 1

Map 2

Map 3

 

 

Link: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/dotw

 

Changes in rc2:

 

Spoiler

Map1:

- slightly tweaked baron fight to encourage intended strat

- fixed a cheese in smm fight

Map3:

- added a shortcut near YSK which allows you to get to the bfg area quicker after doing a secret fight 

- teleporting torches in the finale by invisible objects 

- added a megaarmor in a secret area

- fixed some other little issues

Map4:

- the fight is redesigned from scratch

Map5:

- texture / alignment

Map31 

- added a missing torch

 

Map32 is moved to slot 33

New map32 is added

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by El Inferno

[Plats]

LETS GOO!

[Nefelibeta]

Hey, cool :)

[David Asaad]

Hell yea bro! Im rlly hyped for this release

Edited June 4, 2022 by David Asaad

[Red Recluse]

Amazing time for doom marine journey to epic.

[baja blast rd.]

2 hours ago, El Inferno said:

 

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slaughter platform resembles two big balls epic Fanta showdown

[Plats]

42 minutes ago, Red Recluse said:

Amazing time for doom marine journey to epic.

Time for you to make some great TAS runs 

[Austinado]

This looks like a beast! Very nice.

[DaRkWeZ]

It looks stunning. Good job !

[Red Recluse]

Welcome to the death in excess or new gothic movement bloody home.                           

 

dotw1x545.zip                                                                                                                                                                                                              

                                                                                         

[Kinetic]

raises the bar in terms of difficulty for a relatively short wad like this, surpasses dimensions in average difficulty. Very cool !!!!!!!

 

Nobody is ready for Map03

Edited June 4, 2022 by KineticBeverage

[LadyMistDragon]

OH FUCK YES. I think I'll get a demo uploaded for at least one or two of the maps, though idk if I'll have the time to persist on any of the rest, lol.

 

[Bredd]

Time for me to start grinding the red map, but I am eager to see everyone's reactions to the green one

[Arbys550]

Congrats! I'll give it another playthrough, it's been a while since I played these.

[Jacek Bourne]

I will be recording a playthrough with saves and commentary once the final version is released.

[LadyMistDragon]

So here's some demos I did of Maps 01 and 02. Strangely, they're a touch less overwhelming than I expected and I played on HMP. Although progression in Map 01 is a bit....you'll see. Nicely sadistic Cyberdemon placements though

lmd_dancewaterpartwhatevs.zip

[nobleflame]

Beautiful maps. One thing I've noticed is my FPS stutters a bit on map 3 no matter the resolution (I natively play on 1440p and use PRBOOM+UMAPINFO). That's probably the size of the map however. 

Also, is it correct that DOOM guy no longer makes pain sounds? 

[Nefelibeta]

20 hours ago, nobleflame said:

Also, is it correct that DOOM guy no longer makes pain sounds? 

Probably no?

[El Inferno]

20 hours ago, nobleflame said:

Also, is it correct that DOOM guy no longer makes pain sounds?

 

Yes, player pain and death sounds are removed (or rather replaced by empty lumps). In some fights you're forced to spend significat amount of time on damaging floors and the repeating pain sound gets old really fast. Kudos to David for suggesting this change.

There are a couple of other sound replacements in the wad too

 

[nobleflame]

2 hours ago, El Inferno said:

 

Yes, player pain and death sounds are removed (or rather replaced by empty lumps). In some fights you're forced to spend significat amount of time on damaging floors and the repeating pain sound gets old really fast. Kudos to David for suggesting this change.

There are a couple of other sound replacements in the wad too

 

Thanks, thought I was going mad. Also, good choice definitely; thanks, David.

[El Inferno]

RC2 is out: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cj7k5gzm0hllsxn/dotw_rc2.zip?dl=0

 

Added a brand new guest map by KineticBeverage on slot 32. 

 

Other changes are listed in OP. This is likely the last version before idgames.

[El Inferno]

The wad is now on idgames.

 

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/dotw

[invictius]

What makes map 3 so slow on gzdoom?  I know a lot of boom wads run slow on it, but we're talking 1fps on a 3070 and 5600x.

[El Inferno]

2 minutes ago, invictius said:

What makes map 3 so slow on gzdoom?  I know a lot of boom wads run slow on it, but we're talking 1fps on a 3070 and 5600x.

 

Most of the 6-7k closet monsters are awake right away, the map hits the 65k linedef limit, occupies 30k x 30k square area. It also doesn't have a build in reject table. Stacked on top of each other items on a scroller sometimes cause lag. There could also be other line of sight or sound propagation things going on which clutter the engine.

I don't know what'd be the main contributing factor though, gzdoom is just not optimized for such things. dsda should run fine though

[eanasir]

6 minutes ago, El Inferno said:

 

Most of the 6-7k closet monsters are awake right away, the map hits the 65k linedef limit, occupies 30k x 30k square area. It also doesn't have a build in reject table. Stacked on top of each other items on a scroller sometimes cause lag. There could also be other line of sight or sound propagation things going on which clutter the engine.

I don't know what'd be the main contributing factor though, gzdoom is just not optimized for such things. dsda should run fine though

dear lord. My computer will die if i play that map

[invictius]

On 3/26/2023 at 2:39 PM, El Inferno said:

I don't know what'd be the main contributing factor though, gzdoom is just not optimized for such things. dsda should run fine though

What's the advantage over prboom+?  As that seems to run it fine for me.

[Grassy chunks]

On 3/26/2023 at 9:09 AM, El Inferno said:

 

Most of the 6-7k closet monsters are awake right away, the map hits the 65k linedef limit, occupies 30k x 30k square area. It also doesn't have a build in reject table. Stacked on top of each other items on a scroller sometimes cause lag. There could also be other line of sight or sound propagation things going on which clutter the engine.

I don't know what'd be the main contributing factor though, gzdoom is just not optimized for such things. dsda should run fine though

Map 3 even lagged prboom+ (and dsda-doom) so hard it ran at a mere 3-5 fps for me...

Edited March 31, 2023 by Grassy chunks

[Redneckerz]

On 3/26/2023 at 5:27 AM, invictius said:

What makes map 3 so slow on gzdoom?  I know a lot of boom wads run slow on it, but we're talking 1fps on a 3070 and 5600x.

Density and monster count. 

EDIT: OH, i am mistaken. Its monster count only.

 

On 3/26/2023 at 5:46 AM, gamingcooler said:

dear lord. My computer will die if i play that map

 

On 3/26/2023 at 5:39 AM, El Inferno said:

I don't know what'd be the main contributing factor though, gzdoom is just not optimized for such things. dsda should run fine though

 

16 minutes ago, Grassy chunks said:

Map 3 even lagged prboom+ (and dsda-doom) so hard it ran at a mere 3-5 fps for me...

Shamelessly plugging @hobomaster22's Helion engine. It ran MAP04 of DOTW (Which is rather dense) incredibly well on a crapshoot rig (Core i5-4590T, Intel HD 4600)

 

And it also rans well on a plethora of systems:

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Cheap Amazon special micro pc from 2019
Windows 10
Intel Celeron
Intel HD 500
4GB RAM

This PC is painful. It's slow just using the desktop. Hard drive access seems to be a huge bottleneck even though it has an SSD. Let's see what it can do anyway.

Rendering at 1920x1080

Planisphere 2 (2048 cutoff): 60 FPS
Planisphere 2 (4096 cutoff) 39 FPS
Sunlust MAP28 (2048 cutoff): 55 FPS
Dance on the Water MAP04 (2048 cutoff): 52 FPS
Eviternity MAP26 (2048 cutoff): 45 FPS
 

Budget laptop from 2014
Windows 8.1
AMD A6-5200
AMD Radeon HD  8400
4GB RAM

Compared to the previous pc this laptop is useable. Hard drive access isn't painful like the cheap Amazon micro pc.

 

Rendering at 1024x768
Planisphere 2 (2048 cutoff): 75 FPS
Planisphere 2 (4096 cutoff) 55 FPS
Sunlust MAP28 (2048 cutoff): 97 FPS
Dance on the Water MAP04 (2048 cutoff): 84 FPS
Eviternity MAP26 (2048 cutoff): 86 FPS

High end desktop

Windows 10
Ryzen 5900HS
RTX 3070
16 GB RAM

 

Here the numbers can get pretty absurd. Especially if a lot of the map is static.

Render at 1920x1080
Planisphere 2 (8192 cutoff): 671 FPS
Dance on the Water MAP04 (4096 cutoff): 1800 FPS
Sunlust MAP28 (4096 cutoff): 250 FPS
Eviternity MAP26 (4096 cutoff): 368 FPS

 

So i have no doubt Helion gets 60 fps's on most rigs.