hybridial Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rudolph said: I guess it is a situation similar to Arkane Studios' Prey 2017, which had almost nothing to do with the original game of the same name. I would disagree, Prey 2017 was titled Neuroshock, it was never developed as a Prey game, the name was literally slapped on it by Bethesda at the last minute as a last fuck you to Human Head and to salvage their ownership of the name expressly against the wishes of the devs. But that game is interesting and well done as an immersive sim title. Both Black Christmas remakes are embarrassing before you get into them being remakes; they're just bad movies. Edited June 9, 2022 by hybridial 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
Rudolph Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, hybridial said: I would disagree, Prey 2017 was titled Neuroshock, it was never developed as a Prey game, the name was literally slapped on it by Bethesda at the last minute as a last fuck you to Human Head and to salvage their ownership of the name expressly against the wishes of the devs. Huh, I did not know that. What a shitty thing to do. I got the game for free on Epic Games Store after hearing about it being essentially System Shock 3, but I have yet to give it a shot: I tried the demo a while back and was not really impressed. I do not find the black goo enemies to be particularly compelling enemies and the very notion of turning oneself into a random object strikes me as inherently comical, which takes me out of the game despite its best efforts to take it seriously. Anyway, Black Christmas 2019 is a good movie and I do not know why people (who do not recognize themselves in the antagonists, that is) dislike it. Edited June 9, 2022 by Rudolph 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
hybridial Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Rudolph said: Anyway, Black Christmas 2019 is a good movie and I do not know why people (who do not recognize themselves in the antagonists, that is) dislike it. I will say I can respect that you like it because you have been very civil about things, but it's hardly like the movie was critically well accepted like Get Out was. There is a reason for that; it's satire simply does not land for a number of reasons, and the story is bereft of remotely tolerable characters. There really is only one of the lead characters who comes across as sympathetic, the rest come across as caricatures. Also it does come across a specific way because there are literally no competent male characters. Now reflecting on this, why is this different from the legion of action movies from say the 80s, probably the best period for the examples, that basically just have damsels in distress that don't do much of anything. I go here because 80s slashers usually had female survivors meaning they actually had competent female characters more often than not. There is a difference to me that makes Black Christmas worse, and that is because those movies have no pretensions. They are just meatheaded action. That's what the audience watches it for. Black Christmas 2019 wants to say things, its desperate to say things, and it just completely fails to for most people. I'd say there's merit to its basic premise but the execution was wrong; and I think it would be insulting to many of the people it's trying to speak for. I'd say the clearest issue is that it implies the villians are being mind controlled in some way (it's kind of ridiculous and this really should have been a black comedy) and the protagonists actions leads to all their deaths; and this is never raised as if there's maybe an issue (like I dunno, the mass murder of victims of coercion, which supernatural or not, that is the context we're given) Edited June 9, 2022 by hybridial 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
LadyMistDragon Posted June 9, 2022 19 hours ago, HiRon said: I am surprised no one has mentioned The Room. Sure, I like it ironically, but it's terrible movie because you don't care what happens to the characters when you are supposed to. All I did during this movie was laugh at it's sheer incompetence. I did sort of allude to it earlier. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Axuris Posted June 9, 2022 Cyberbu//y (2011) A moral message movie that attempts to spread awareness about cyberbulling that was supposed to air on the Disney Channel but ended up on ABC Family. It's boring, painful to watch, already seen it 3 times and not once could i finish it. Then there's the scene where the protagonist tries game-ending herself, a scene that I can only see as the movie reminding you: "Hey, did you know this is movie is based on a real tragedy?" and thus any impact the could have just falls flat. And also Cliquesters, that's a thing too. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Silhouette 03 Posted June 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Axuris said: Cyberbu//y (2011) A moral message movie that attempts to spread awareness about cyberbulling that was supposed to air on the Disney Channel but ended up on ABC Family. It's boring, painful to watch, already seen it 3 times and not once could i finish it. Then there's the scene where the protagonist tries game-ending herself, a scene that I can only see as the movie reminding you: "Hey, did you know this is movie is based on a real tragedy?" and thus any impact the could have just falls flat. And also Cliquesters, that's a thing too. The characters are mostly just horrible people who do horrible things to one another. I haven't seen the movie, I just heard about it through a video from cynical reviews. Check it out if you're interested: 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Rudolph Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, hybridial said: There is a reason for that; it's satire simply does not land for a number of reasons, and the story is bereft of remotely tolerable characters. On the contrary, I really liked the girls: I was sad whenever one bit it and I cheered whenever another managed to turn the tables on their assailants and bring what was to be their power fantasy to a screeching halt. The Cary Elwes character was also surprisingly charming, despite his beliefs and especially his real-life inspiration. So yeah, I would argue that it is easily on par with other, for lack of better terms, "woke" horror movies like Get Out and Us! :D Edited June 9, 2022 by Rudolph 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
hybridial Posted June 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, Rudolph said: The Cary Elwes character was also surprisingly charming That's because that's Cary Elwes. If you would argue that, how would you address to my specific points? I feel the most important thing in any story is the logic of what it puts forward being consistent, and the logic this film puts forward is it's okay to cheer on men being killed because a supernatural goo took away their free will. So am I to take it as supernatural goo is what turns men into misogynists? The reason it's so stupid is it would be easy to do this story without such a blatant logical flaw. Just make the villians wilful in doing all this. I mean granted, that would be just as tone deaf and hamfisted, but it wouldn't have this very... very questionable stance that it is fine to murder people who have had their agency removed almost as if their victims of a form of rape themselves. I don't know how you can interpret that as a bunch of frat boys being on some kind of power fantasy, that's not what the movie is presenting. It would have been easier and less inconsistent to do so if that's explicitly what it was but instead you have a contradiction which makes the writer look completely clueless. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Murdoch Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, LadyMistDragon said: I did sort of allude to it earlier. As did i. Depending on your mindset it's either completely awful or one of the greatest comedies of all time. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Rudolph Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, hybridial said: So am I to take it as supernatural goo is what turns men into misogynists? Spoiler No, the movie makes it fairly obvious that a good part of the group - starting with the protagonist's rapey ex - was misogynistic to begin with. Of course, every metaphorical depiction of a complex social phenomenon is bound to have its limitations, but Black Christmas 2019 is making a case against patriarchy as a system, with men finding themselves indoctrinated by it (the frat boys are shown to have to go through a ritual before getting taken over by the evil black goo) and some women choosing to take part in it even if it goes against their interests; the fact that the "Not All Men" boyfriend still tried to fight back despite getting influenced by the evil black goo suggests that it merely serves to let the host to let go of their inhibitions and that the frat boys were willing participants in the whole process, not just innocent bystanders who got possessed by the goo. 20 hours ago, hybridial said: I don't know how you can interpret that as a bunch of frat boys being on some kind of power fantasy, that's not what the movie is presenting. Spoiler That is absolutely what the movie is presenting: a bunch of frat boys and their wannabe thought leader have had their fee-fees hurt by women, so now thanks to the evil black goo, they get to live their revenge fantasy by tormenting and ultimately killing them and getting away with it - or at least that was the plan until the protagonists started fighting back. 20 hours ago, hybridial said: The reason it's so stupid is it would be easy to do this story without such a blatant logical flaw. Just make the villains wilful in doing all this. I mean granted, that would be just as tone deaf and hamfisted Spoiler I take it you did not enjoy Get Out, then? Because that is pretty much what ends up happening at the end of that movie: the whole family turns out to be bad guys and the protagonist ends up having to kill them all - with the exception of the gardener, who ended up killing himself. 20 hours ago, hybridial said: That's because that's Cary Elwes. Spoiler Not necessarily. The character could have been written to be less affable and more sinister or even just insufferable, like his inspiration. Edited June 10, 2022 by Rudolph 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
DeathWolf1982 Posted June 10, 2022 Here's the ones i hate or i don't like or i even kinda like -Halloween II- (2009) it's another edgy punk horror movie that's trash so bad it killed rob zombie's Halloween franchise. -Jason Goes to Hell The Final Friday- (1993) i kinda like this one but it's just so dumb that it's so funny. i did like some of the kills also the Necronomicon Ex Mortis makes it appearance. -Black Christmas- (2019) Who thought making another crappy remake with SJW content was a good idea ("WHAT WHERE THEY THINKING!") (Avgn) -A Nightmare on elm street (2010) another shitty horror remake based off a beloved horror movie from the 80's the CGI sucks, the acting sucks (Including Jackie Earle Haley as Freddy Krueger) -doogal- A generic kids movie i don't like since it has tons of dated pop culture references from franchises i love or i don't like. -The Garbage pail kids movie- it is that It's so Bad It's good kinda film from the 80's. -Tom and jerry (2021)= another bad kids movie last year along with Fake jam a new legacy. -generic hallmark Christmas movies- Why man WHYYYYYY! -Boo! a Madea Halloween- this film is just stupid i mean really. -Boo! 2 a Madea Halloween- Oh god another sequel to that crappy unfunny halloween movie. -Fun Size- i regret liking this halloween movie as a kid, so boring and stupid, and unlikeable characters and inappropriate humor this movie deserves to go to the devil or the Spider mastermind. -Halloween resurrection- (2002) The former final nail in the coffin for the Halloween franchise that had "Busta Rymes" as a unfunny comic relief. -Halloween VI The Curse of Michael Myers- (1995) another It's so bad its good horror film like Jason goes to hell. -Freddy's dead The final nightmare- (1991) i like this movie Freddy is cool in it and the iconic "Hey you forgot the Power Glove!" line -Texas Chainsaw Massacre- (2022) Another Netflix horror film that proves that Hollywood is running out of ideas and a huge rip-off of the 2018 Halloween and that unfunny and cringe "Try anything bro and you get cancelled" line when those asshole teenagers with those iPhones when leatherface is on the Partybus This movie sucks and so bad it's good. anymore i missed? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
Rudolph Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, ElmStreetSlasher1984 said: Who thought making another crappy remake with SJW content was a good idea You do realize that some of the most influential horror movies just so happen to feature what you so derisively refer to as "SJW content"? ;) I mentioned Get Out before, but you also have classics such as George Romero's Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead, Ridley Scott's Alien and even John Carpenter's They Live! Heck, the original Frankenstein novel was written by early feminist author Mary Shelley! 7 hours ago, ElmStreetSlasher1984 said: -Halloween resurrection- (2002) The former final nail in the coffin for the Halloween franchise that had "Busta Rymes" as a unfunny comic relief. I agree, the movie was not good, but really, that scene did not even make you chuckle just a little bit? I just love how Busta Rhymes plays it completely straight and Michael Myers just walks off visibly confused by what he had just witnessed. 7 hours ago, ElmStreetSlasher1984 said: Halloween II- (2009) Speaking of Halloween II, I despise the original Halloween 2: it is a by-the-numbers sequel that stops at recreating the first movie in a less interesting setting, with a worse-sounding soundtrack, worse characters and a lot of completely unnecessary moments. Its only saving grace was its decision to kill off Michael Myers, which unfortunately Halloween 4 reverted; in a better timeline, such decision would have been final and the Halloween franchise would have become a horror anthology series, starting with Season of the Witch. Edited June 10, 2022 by Rudolph 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
ChopBlock223 Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) There's definitely a difference between movies which are bad, but in a fun and enjoyable way, and movies which are just unfun shit. The Room is terribly written, acted, directed, and shot, but by god does Tommy try his hardest, he's a one of a kind man who also doesn't understand how movies really work, but he follows his dreams to make one, he puts a lot of money and genuine effort into it, and the end result is a surreal and delightful, earnest mess that doesn't work as intended, and it's a treasure. The world would be a much worse place without The Room, and its nature puts it well above the near hundred uninteresting, bland cape movies from the past 14 years, they have high budgets and strong production values, but they're all made on an assembly line, none having even a fraction of soul, most don't even have any sense of directiorial intent (being made by the numbers according to an economically calculated formula), while The Room has a very strong sense of directorial intent and creative ambition, and a very unique one. Jay & Silent Bob's Cartoon Movie is absolute, distilled garbage. Kevin Smith makes the worst stoner comedy of all time, the animation is some very bottom of the barrel Flash shitscribbles, which could be excused if the movie was actually funny, but it's anything but. When any other kind of movie fails in premise and execution, it can be very funny, but when a comedy fails, it means it wasn't funny, and now there's nothing left. The comedy doesn't make you laugh, and as it progresses, this starts to wear on your patience, it agitates and irritates, the jokes are repeatedly so unfunny that it finally makes you angry. This is the Nonmedy, where the intended humor makes you do the opposite of laugh. There's nothing enjoyable about this film, and it's outright sad, a once talented director who shot some genuinely incredible and immortal comedies such as Clerks, reduced to making a zero effort animation stocked with the same kind of monotone and uncreative jokes which makes him chuckle when he's blazed, which must be always by this point, and it's things like these which convince me that marijuana is like alcohol, deleterious if senselessly abused. Kevin Smith is the weed equivalent of a chronic alcoholic, and that's a tragedy. The world is worse of for this film, and it serves as a warning, I watched this movie after having rewatched Clerks, and the contrast is nothing short of nightmarish. The Room can heartily be recommended, it's a fun experience, but I would strongly advise against Jay & Silent Bob's Cartoon Movie, you will not have a good time, it's the only movie I've ever seen which has actually made me angry. Edited June 10, 2022 by ChopBlock223 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
Kes Gaming YT Posted June 10, 2022 On 6/9/2022 at 12:32 PM, Rudolph said: Huh, I did not know that. What a shitty thing to do. Don't worry, they got their revenge with "The Quiet Man" 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Rudolph Posted June 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, Kes Gaming YT said: Don't worry, they got their revenge with "The Quiet Man" What do you mean? I have not played that one, but I hear it was an unmitigated failure. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Denim Destroyer Posted June 10, 2022 Serenity (2005) - I have fallen asleep during both of my attempts to view this movie. I have watched plenty of other bad movies but to date Serenity is the only movie to ever put me to sleep. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
DeathWolf1982 Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Rudolph said: Speaking of Halloween II, I despise the original Halloween 2: it is a by-the-numbers sequel that stops at recreating the first movie in a less interesting setting, with a worse-sounding soundtrack, worse characters and a lot of completely unnecessary moments. Its only saving grace was its decision to kill off Michael Myers, which unfortunately Halloween 4 reverted; in a better timeline, such decision would have been final and the Halloween franchise would have become a horror anthology series, starting with Season of the Witch. It's not the 1981 version i'm talking about it is the best, I'm Talking bout the 2009 version with rob zombie. Edited June 11, 2022 by ElmStreetSlasher1984 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Tetzlaff Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) On 6/9/2022 at 1:40 AM, Kes Gaming YT said: Christmas Vacation? I think I saw that when I was like 10. It was pretty stupid, but most Chevy Chase movies are. Still, I liked Funny Farm much better. Yes, this is the one I was talking about, forgot the title. I have to watch that Farm movie some time. Edited June 11, 2022 by Tetzlaff 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Rudolph Posted June 11, 2022 4 hours ago, ElmStreetSlasher1984 said: It's not the 1981 version i'm talking about it is the best, I'm Talking bout the 2009 version with rob zombie. I know! You mentioning a Halloween II reminded me of the original Halloween 2. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
DeathWolf1982 Posted June 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Rudolph said: I know! You mentioning a Halloween II reminded me of the original Halloween 2. The rob zombie remake of Halloween II was Horrible it had unlikable characters, two dumb endings. The 1981 version is better... 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
DeathWolf1982 Posted June 11, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 8:15 PM, Mr. Freeze said: House of the Dead Same goes for that Alone in the dark movie. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
DeathWolf1982 Posted June 11, 2022 and that Super Mario Bros movie from 1993 and street fighter movie from 1994. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
JacenXYZ Posted June 11, 2022 1 minute ago, ElmStreetSlasher1984 said: and that Super Mario Bros movie from 1993 and street fighter movie from 1994. I tried to WATCH that POS Street Fighter movie. If I was to direct an SF movie, I'd stay true to the source, which is the second game. Speaking of, does DOOM (2005) count as a bad movie? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
DeathWolf1982 Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) "If something's lame on your tv screen, What are you gonna do DON'T WATCH IT! Of course that crappy ghostbusters remake from 2016 where it had SJW Content in it. Edited June 11, 2022 by ElmStreetSlasher1984 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
DeathWolf1982 Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, AlphaSoraKun said: I tried to WATCH that POS Street Fighter movie. If I was to direct an SF movie, I'd stay true to the source, which is the second game. Speaking of, does DOOM (2005) count as a bad movie? Yeah it's kind of a decent and okay film, when ya have The rock and the other's for a movie based off a game it's kinda that "It's so bad it's good" film. also the resident evil films from (2002) (2017) was good and bad. Doom annihilation was Decent and okay too! Edited June 11, 2022 by ElmStreetSlasher1984 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
JacenXYZ Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ElmStreetSlasher1984 said: Yeah it's kind of a decent and okay film, when ya have The rock and other's for a movie based off a game it's kinda that "It's so bad it's good" film. also the resident evil films from (2002) (2017) was good and bad. Doom annihilation was Decent and okay too! Oh, I had another movie that is so bad, you'd have to see it to believe me. AREA 407 (2013) I was hyped for that movie. No joke. It is easily a contender for the WORST pov shot-found footage movie of all time. It has some of the stupidest writing and the worst effects for the FUCKING Dinosaurs. Edited June 11, 2022 by AlphaSoraKun 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
DeathWolf1982 Posted June 11, 2022 And then there's Date movie, Epic movie, Meet the spartans, and Disaster movie. those parody films where complete Crap to be honest. i bought it at a goodwill in october 2021, good thing i didn't watch it and i smashed the dvd. pretty lame and sh*t parody films from Jason Friedberg and Arron Seltzer if you ask me. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Rudolph Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, ElmStreetSlasher1984 said: The rob zombie remake of Halloween II was Horrible it had unlikable characters, two dumb endings. The 1981 version is better... Eh. As obnoxious as the Rob Zombie Halloween movies were, they were at least trying to do something different. Halloween 2 (1981) does not. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Maximum Matt Posted June 12, 2022 I gotta go with the Star Wars prequels - all the "well, at least the special effects were good" talk couldn't disguise the fact that the stories were muddled and boring, the characters were uninteresting or annoying, and the messing with the SW lore was unforgivable (eg. the 'midichlorians', C-3PO was built by young Darth Vader etc). The Red Letter Media 'Mr. Plinkett' reviews of the movies are honestly more entertaining than the movies themselves, as they completely break down, scene by scene, why they suck so much. Mike Stoklasa is a living legend. And I never liked the Kill Bill movies - I'm a massive QT fan, but I think he got a bit too self-indulgent with his influences on those ones 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
Rudolph Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Maximum Matt said: "well, at least the special effects were good" I am not even sure I can agree with that sentiment. They are so many CG special effects that those effects stop feeling... well, special and start being downright distracting. For example, I was actually shocked to only recently find out that the coliseum itself in Attack of the Clones was a practical set; I guess I was simply unable to truly appreciate the craftsmanship that went into it with all the wacky CG stuff going on and the generally flat cinematography. But if you think the Plinkett reviews of the Prequels are more enjoyable than the movies themselves, then I invite you to check out Auralnauts' comedic redubs, if you have not done so already! Edited June 12, 2022 by Rudolph 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
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