Doom 32X Resurrection [split derail]

[Roebloz]

I've made a little spreadsheet to compare Resurrection with other hacks like my own Doom 32x Delta (As well as the original 24 Level Expansion) Just thought I might as well put it here since it's pretty useful to have for people to choose what they want to play.

 

 

[Vic]

3 hours ago, Roebloz said:

I've made a little spreadsheet to compare Resurrection with other hacks like my own Doom 32x Delta (As well as the original 24 Level Expansion) Just thought I might as well put it here since it's pretty useful to have for people to choose what they want to play.

 

 

What the heck is your problem man?

[Roebloz]

1 hour ago, Vic said:

What the heck is your problem man?

What do you mean? (I put the Cacowards and Romero thing as a joke, the rest is to legit compare the hacks for people)

[Arrowhead]

2 hours ago, Vic said:

What the heck is your problem man?

 

1 hour ago, Roebloz said:

What do you mean? (I put the Cacowards and Romero thing as a joke, the rest is to legit compare the hacks for people)

 

It seems more than a little bit rude, even though you are joking - to imply that this project should win the Mordeth.

 

It's also a little bit peculiar that you stated that your mod, (and yours only) would receive 'John Romero's Approval' - I understand that this is a fictional distinction, I'm not stupid - it just kind of seems like you popped into this thread to show off your project, while not-so-subtly denigrating this one.

 

Seems a little bit mean spirited, especially when nobody else is in on the 'joke'.

 

I don't mean to be harsh, but this seems a little misguided.

Edited July 17, 2022 by Arrowhead

[Roebloz]

1 hour ago, Arrowhead said:

 

 

It seems more than a little bit rude, even though you are joking - to imply that this project should win the Mordeth.

 

It's also a little bit peculiar that you stated that your mod, (and yours only) would receive 'John Romero's Approval' - I understand that this is a fictional distinction, I'm not stupid - it just kind of seems like you popped into this thread to show off your project, while not-so-subtly denigrating this one.

 

Seems a little bit mean spirited, especially when nobody else is in on the 'joke'.

 

I don't mean to be harsh, but this seems a little misguided.

But...Both ARE true? (This project did win the Mordeth last year, and I did get Romero's approval for Doom 32x Delta. What I meant as a joke is the part at the bottom of the spreadsheet that says "I was totally not pissed off" and "THAT MEANS I AUTOMATICALLY WIN! HAHA". So uhhh...Yeah.

[Arrowhead]

18 minutes ago, Roebloz said:

But...Both ARE true? (This project did win the Mordeth last year, and I did get Romero's approval for Doom 32x Delta. What I meant as a joke is the part at the bottom of the spreadsheet that says "I was totally not pissed off" and "THAT MEANS I AUTOMATICALLY WIN! HAHA". So uhhh...Yeah.

I wasn't aware of the backstory, and went solely off your spreadsheet.

 

A reasonable thing to do, I might add, as your spreadsheet presented things in a completely exaggerated manner. How is one from the spreadsheet alone supposed to derive that information that I quoted from you?

 

If such things are indeed true, then why present the 'Cacowards' section as a complete joke? You had to have known that people would misinterpret that. Especially, as the answer is presented as : 'YES (Free Beast Box baby!)', instead of a simple 'yes' or 'no' like the rest of the column. You also stated this: "What do you mean? (I put the Cacowards and Romero thing as a joke, the rest is to legit compare the hacks for people)", which further muddies the water on whether the spreadsheet was to be taken seriously or not.

 

It appeared to me that you were being rude, (Vic didn't seem too impressed either) but now that I know the backstory, I understand better.

 

Apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

EDIT: Also, it seems a little odd for this project to get the Mordeth, as this thread only started in JAN 2021 - are we really giving the Mordeth to projects that have only been in the works for a year and a half? Or did this project start in an earlier thread? Seems a little excessive...

Edited July 17, 2022 by Arrowhead

[Roebloz]

1 hour ago, Arrowhead said:

I wasn't aware of the backstory, and went solely off your spreadsheet.

 

A reasonable thing to do, I might add, as your spreadsheet presented things in a completely exaggerated manner. How is one from the spreadsheet alone supposed to derive that information that I quoted from you?

 

If such things are indeed true, then why present the 'Cacowards' section as a complete joke? You had to have known that people would misinterpret that. Especially, as the answer is presented as : 'YES (Free Beast Box baby!)', instead of a simple 'yes' or 'no' like the rest of the column. You also stated this: "What do you mean? (I put the Cacowards and Romero thing as a joke, the rest is to legit compare the hacks for people)", which further muddies the water on whether the spreadsheet was to be taken seriously or not.

 

It appeared to me that you were being rude, (Vic didn't seem too impressed either) but now that I know the backstory, I understand better.

 

Apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

EDIT: Also, it seems a little odd for this project to get the Mordeth, as this thread only started in JAN 2021 - are we really giving the Mordeth to projects that have only been in the works for a year and a half? Or did this project start in an earlier thread? Seems a little excessive...

Yeah I know it was a bit weird for this to get the Mordeth honestly.

Anyway, I just put the Cacowards section for people to know "Did this win something? Oh cool." I didn't mean to sound rude.

[Vic]

This is kindergarten level of comparison spreadsheet that was only made with one purpose: to tickle its author's ego. Also, D32XR runs on NTSC, please stop spreading misinformation in that regard.

[TasAcri]

How is the performance level on Delta? Not much information in the spreadsheet about that. Resurrection's best improvement (other then the music) is the improved performance over the original and how it runs faster even using full screen. Speaking about full screen, is there such option in Delta?

[Mittens0407]

15 hours ago, Roebloz said:

I've made a little spreadsheet to compare Resurrection with other hacks like my own Doom 32x Delta (As well as the original 24 Level Expansion) Just thought I might as well put it here since it's pretty useful to have for people to choose what they want to play.

 

 

Is a spreadsheet entirely necessary? The 32x community is a small pond with not a lot of fish (more of an irradiated puddle really), and I don't see how a laughably biased comparison is useful. The parts about missing levels/episodes are pointless because Delta isn't a single ROM, it's 5 separate romhacks with a single episode each. "Improved music"? You changed 1 instrument in the E1M1 song. All the other songs sound identical to the original version. If you're comparing the two, why not mention the stuff in Resurrection like the restored directional sprites, lighting, high res modes, infighting, anamorphic widescreen, CD audio, mouse support, or the improved frame rate among other things?. This comparison seems to only be focused on content, which is probably very easy to include if you're simply splitting the game up into five separate ROMs. If this is for people who want to play Doom 32x, why are less than half of the Delta ROMs "confirmed" in the spreadsheet to work on real hardware? In the comparison, you list D32xR as the best version "If you are planning on playing on real hardware...". So what does that mean for Delta then? If it's best played in an emulator as implied, why not just play the PC version at that point? Calling Delta the most "PC-accurate experience" is incorrect when looking at any aspect other than the maps. This isn't a comparison, it's marketing.

[Vic]

10 hours ago, Arrowhead said:

EDIT: Also, it seems a little odd for this project to get the Mordeth, as this thread only started in JAN 2021 - are we really giving the Mordeth to projects that have only been in the works for a year and a half? Or did this project start in an earlier thread? Seems a little excessive... 

One could argue that D32XR origins can be traced back to Chilly Willy's 32X work from early 2010's:

https://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?14115-Doom-or-Wolf-3D-port&p=301913&viewfull=1#post301913

http://gendev.spritesmind.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1803

 

 

D32XR wouldn't have been possible without all the prior work that he's done, discoveries he's made, code that he's shared and also his port of Wolf3D that got my attention. It's mostly his than anyone else's award in that regard.

Edited July 17, 2022 by Vic

[Barone]

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Edited July 18, 2022 by Barone

[Roebloz]

6 hours ago, Mittens0407 said:

Is a spreadsheet entirely necessary? The 32x community is a small pond with not a lot of fish (more of an irradiated puddle really), and I don't see how a laughably biased comparison is useful. The parts about missing levels/episodes are pointless because Delta isn't a single ROM, it's 5 separate romhacks with a single episode each. "Improved music"? You changed 1 instrument in the E1M1 song. All the other songs sound identical to the original version. If you're comparing the two, why not mention the stuff in Resurrection like the restored directional sprites, lighting, high res modes, infighting, anamorphic widescreen, CD audio, mouse support, or the improved frame rate among other things?. This comparison seems to only be focused on content, which is probably very easy to include if you're simply splitting the game up into five separate ROMs. If this is for people who want to play Doom 32x, why are less than half of the Delta ROMs "confirmed" in the spreadsheet to work on real hardware? In the comparison, you list D32xR as the best version "If you are planning on playing on real hardware...". So what does that mean for Delta then? If it's best played in an emulator as implied, why not just play the PC version at that point? Calling Delta the most "PC-accurate experience" is incorrect when looking at any aspect other than the maps. This isn't a comparison, it's marketing.

Well, I meant to make this spreadsheet as a useful tool and I tried to stay unbiased towards my own hack, but I am personally interested in having more content so I kinda ended up being biased in the end. And yeah, Delta is a bit pointless but it was/still is a passion project for me that I started as a joke. Now please, let's stop having drama over a small spreadsheet I made because I was bored.

(Oh and as for the point of playing on emulator: Because it's neat.)

4 hours ago, Vic said:

One could argue that D32XR origins can be traced back to Chilly Willy's 32X work from early 2010's:

https://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?14115-Doom-or-Wolf-3D-port&p=301913&viewfull=1#post301913

http://gendev.spritesmind.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1803

 

 

D32XR wouldn't have been possible without all the prior work that he's done, discoveries he's made, code that he's shared and also his port of Wolf3D that got my attention. It's mostly his than anyone else's award in that regard.

Interesting. So yeah the Mordeth award kinda makes more sense now with this context. Very cool!

[ChillyWilly]

We've been busy making improvements to the engine, as well as fixing bugs in the existing content. We do intend to start going to new content when the engine reaches a certain level. I think we have agreed that Doom 2 would be the first of new content to get worked on.

 

I don't get why this has to be a pissing match in the first place. Anyone is more than welcome to use the D32XR engine for improved Doom games. Want to release E1 in pristine condition with all the new/extra features of D32XR? It should be even better and easier with D32XR than stock Doom32X. Vic made some nice tools to work on wad files. He even contributed some fixes to Slade so that you can edit Jaguar/32X wad files using it. Making your own custom Doom should super easy, barely an inconvenience! Sprite directions, compressed music with PCM samples, enemy infighting, controller hot-plugging, using the Mega Mouse... given the source code is at github, you can even make custom code changes to the game! Want to change the behavior of certain mobs? You can!

 

I like how Delta splits the episodes up into separate roms. I was intending to do that on Doom to use the PC version of the wad rather than the console version, so I heartily approve of that. Until we work out how to make 32X roms larger than 4MB without affecting the rest of the engine, that's about the only way to get "perfect" levels. I would love to see Delta using the D32XR engine. It would be the best of both worlds: the levels just the way they were intended, and all the features and speed you need to play those levels the way they demand. The way I demand to play is with a mouse so that I have better aim and circle strafing. :D