You can show the doom team in 1993 one wad, which one?

[Faceman2000]

Instead of wasting time showing them wads I would talk them into implementing MAPINFO, making the Linedefs more like Heretic where you can manually determine if it’s a switch, walkover, shootable, etc, and de-hardcoding the monsters and instead including their behavior in the wad so that DeHacKed never became a thing.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Faceman2000

[Szymanski]

Probably a TC like Action Doom

Spoiler

or Batman or ZanZan

 

[prfunky]

One level of one wad:

map10 of equinox.wad

It's got to be the ONLY level on Doom that's ever scared the living bejezus out of me.

 

[PKr]

Probably this "wad": https://github.com/kgsws/doom-in-doom/releases/tag/v1

[SPG]

I'd show them Doom Eternal and claim that the fan community made it using the source code for Doom.

Nah, for real, maybe the first Aliens TC just to be all "hey, remember when you were going to make a licensed game? Don't worry, a fan does it very soon after you put out the game."

[forgettable pyromaniac]

I'm curious what would've happened if someone showed them Plutonia - what wads would have been made in place of tnt and plutonia if they made plutonia first?

[Redneckerz]

1 hour ago, forgettable pyromaniac said:

I'm curious what would've happened if someone showed them Plutonia - what wads would have been made in place of tnt and plutonia if they made plutonia first?

Now there's an idea for a to-be-made WADset.

Plutonia the way Id would do.

[Captain Keen]

Could I just show them this thread and say “in 30 years this game is still going to be wildly popular…”

 

For wads probably No End in Sight, arguably the best Doom 1 wad ever made.

 

As has been mentioned, I’m pretty sure Carmack would be more interested in Doom Eternal.

 

Eviternity would be a good choice too, or even something like Akeldama.

[knifeworld]

Sunder. Especially the newer maps.

[Sneezy McGlassFace]

15 hours ago, Bauul said:

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Knowing Carmack, he probably wouldn't be too impressed with anything that utilized enhancements to the engine. In fact, he'd probably wonder why the source ports aren't the equivalent of idtech5 by now (he would probably know how to add a few lines of code and idtech1 would immediately leapfrog idtech3).

[...]

Interesting. What do you think he'd say about Dehacked?

[Shepardus]

1 hour ago, Sneezy McGlassFace said:

Interesting. What do you think he'd say about Dehacked?

John Carmack actually answered that in 1999, which you can find on Slashdot:

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Dhacked was a bit of a surprise to me, and I always looked at it as something that maybe shouldn't have been done. I'm not very fond of binary editing an executable. It clearly showed that people were interested in more control, so it probably argued for the greater freedom given with quake.

 

[Lucius Wooding]

Nuts

Nuts 2

Nuts 3

 

I'd be like hey, Id Software, check out these Nuts!

[heliumlamb]

the sky may be

"hello brain on legs carmack, i regret to inform you that your engine isn't blessed. have a look at this? the sky, maybe."
i would hand them a floppy, and they would possibly stare in confusion. i would then walk to the other side of the office floor, away from the elevators and stairs, then disappear.

 

and they would all start cursing the great god imp and i over the daily domino's pepperoni pizza.
 

[Yousuf Anik]

15 hours ago, Graf Zahl said:

If you just want "large", remember that this was made in 1994!

 

 

Good one!

[Jacek Bourne]

Sunlust, Valiant, and Sunder.

[gudermannian function]

I'd say Plutonia 2. This WAD even baffles veterans with its vanilla compatibility

[gudermannian function]

On 10/12/2022 at 8:53 PM, Bauul said:

 

FYI Sigil is limit-removing.

 

Knowing Carmack, he probably wouldn't be too impressed with anything that utilized enhancements to the engine. In fact, he'd probably wonder why the source ports aren't the equivalent of idtech5 by now (he would probably know how to add a few lines of code and idtech1 would immediately leapfrog idtech3).

 

With that in mind, I'd pick something truly vanilla, as that's the best equivalent to what the id guys were actually working on back in 1993.

 

To that end, I'd pick something like BTSX Episode 2, as it's a good example of how far the community has pushed the engine without any source code changes.

Is it that easy to make a game engine go from 2(.5)D to completely 3D

[7x47]

41 minutes ago, Jacek Bourne said:

Sunlust, Valiant, and Sunder.

Choose one :)

[El Jeff]

Rowdy rudy 2 and Jamal jones. Rowdy rudy because it’s very good and Jamal jones because it’s also very good (AND I MADE A MAP FOR IT AND MUST INDULGE IN MY NARCISSISM)

[Jacek Bourne]

1 hour ago, 7x47 said:

Choose one :)

 

No.

[wallabra]

On 10/12/2022 at 10:33 AM, SilverMiner said:

I'd show them Duke Nukem 3d and watch them give up

 

But if Doom didn't exist, DN3D wouldn't exist. Gee you broke the timeline! Now we have to fix this shit!

[roadworx]

On 10/12/2022 at 9:23 AM, Bauul said:

To that end, I'd pick something like BTSX Episode 2, as it's a good example of how far the community has pushed the engine without any source code changes.

would btsx even run on the computers of the time? maybe it's because i was running it in prboom, but it was kinda choppy even on my 400mhz pii

[Shepardus]

Show them Doom the Way id Did. Maybe this actually happened and what we know as Doom is actually Doom the Way "Doom the Way id Did" Did.

[hamstar]

Cyberdreams. Otherwise maybe Dystopia 3, which contains all the neat 'tricks' of vanilla era engine, put to some snazzy practical use.

 

If limit removing ports are allowed, I'm torn between something more 'conventional' high quality (Valiant, Ancient Aliens, etc.), or else just the highest calorie, over the top slaughter wad of the times (Sunder, Sunlust, etc.).

Edited October 15, 2022 by hamstar

[Sneezy McGlassFace]

On 10/12/2022 at 1:33 PM, SilverMiner said:

I'd show them Duke Nukem 3d and watch them give up

I think Carmack knew about Build engine and said it just barely holds together.

[theJF]

Doom 2, maps 31 and 32.

[out_of_service]

I'd show them my favourite megawads Requiem & Alien Vendetta.

[No-Man Baugh]

Seinfeld.wad

 

Would get the ID boys yukkin it up for hours

[Kyka]

On 10/13/2022 at 2:30 AM, Solmyr said:

That if their hardware could handle Eviternity. And not BSOD' with this outcome immediately taking place after.

 

 

 

Yeah but can it run crysis?

[Maximum Matt]

On 10/13/2022 at 6:07 PM, Lucius Wooding said:

Nuts

Nuts 2

Nuts 3

 

I'd be like hey, Id Software, check out these Nuts!

Classy