Doom Slayer in Fortnite

[whatup876]

1 hour ago, NoahRules said:

there are games like smash bros that are good on their own without the crossover elemant but then there are games like multiversus which depend on the crossover gimmick 

It's also moreso that Smash is notorious for its attention to detail, so people get to look at specific parts of a character's designs, sound effects, animations etc.

Other modern crossovers are almost always "look at how many IP's we own" or temporary collaborations that get people talking, then they stop.

Littlebigplanet has its history of crossovers ranging from Disney properties to even 2000AD and Garfield, but i recall Marvel stuff being removed due to licensing.

 

You look at those fan mockups for wanted Smash fighters and the best ones are when people think of how to reference or represent parts of a series, so it's not about JUST the addition.

Specially because Sakurai himself loves videogames and we see enough to see how he wants to respect the included stuff.

Fornite also has original characters, so it's not even mainly crossover that much.

 

 

Also, to add more to my previous post: i think Doom has a bit of a "everyone's favorite series" syndrom, as if people make it seem it's more liked and popular than it could be.

Almost opposite to "Sonic is the most hated series of all time and it's fans are all cringe".

Again, that "wads, mods, source ports etc" bias from me but also the "x is temporary, Doom is Eternal" phrase being used like a religious chant from people who are just at the surface of Doom "fandom" or what you call it.

Even people that go "ew Reddit" do that stuff, but i guess it's also because modern internet no longer has "specific website subculture" due to Twitter being the most used and influential site, Frankensteining different bits of internet subcultures etc.

 

Anyway, still glad Doomkid did a video correcting Midnight and was even polite during lol.

 

There was also a time when crossovers were mainly fanmade things like "Sonic meets Freddy Krueger" without people calling it "MCU modern nerd consoomer" or saying "you're missing the message of this movie if you think this guy is cool" or even "actually, X couldn't beat Y if you recall the lore", when you look at Flash animations like the Hero War trilogy.

They add up goofy out of place characters like SpongeBob for fun, but also had specific, personal choices to make things a bit more sincere.

[Captain POLAND]

You darn kids and yer Fornites and yer Amongus and yer fidget spinners and yer Justin Beeber and yer skateboards and yer vidya games and yer long hair and yer rock and roll music and yer motor cars...

 

Get off my lawn!

[Ordon]

because of that i'm coming back to fortnite

[Tako_2739]

I'm hoping my little cousins who play Fortnite don't find out about this crossover or else I'm gonna have to show them myself.

[The BMFG]

might get back into fortnite honestly. heard its gotten a lot better and not a snore fest like its been for a minute

[Metal_Slayer]

14 hours ago, DannyMan said:

Imagine more retro fps protagonists in Fortnite...

No retro FPS characters are relevant enough to be in that game, in this sense I don't consider the Doom Slayer a retro FPS character, this is clearly appealing to fans of the new games.

11 hours ago, VoanHead said:

Honestly took em long enough to add him. I’m happy to see DOOM get just more exposure towards fortnite fans if they’re curious enough to try out the series from the 90s to modern day. 

I have seen a lot of people making this argument, but I don't think that's how it works, I don't think the target audience of a free to play game, usually these kind of crossovers happen close to the release of a movie or a game, the Alien crossover was supposed to be an advertisement for that survival co-op Alien game, but nobody played it anyway. With Doom I think it would be a similar situation, their target audience wouldn't play an old game with no online multiplayer or a game that costs more than 10 dollars (Doom Eternal).

 

When you think about it, the controversies Fortnite generates is what makes it always relevant and Epic knows about it. Like when Epic considered transforming this game into a "Metaverse", when they ripped out Among Us or when crunch accusations appeared. This is also something different from Id Software that didn't want to add a more standard deathmatch to Doom Eternal and just insisted on Battlemode while Epic got to the point of adding a mode that removed the main gimmick of the game just because some people found some ways to abuse it.

[xScavengerWolfx]

8 hours ago, Obsidian Plague said:

 

 

you people are grownass adults, please start acting like it

You know it's called commenting on something or an option we have on a topic. please stop acting like we're causing issues when we're not.

[Lizardcommando]

14 hours ago, whatup876 said:

I think the REAL problem is that Fortnite crossovers are done out of a "look at how many IP's we can get", when Smash tried to include a hint of respect and creative representation of certain characters and games, even if it wasn't perfect.

When people imagine characters in Smash, they also expect all sorts of details and easter eggs, in a way that's not expected in Fortnite.

One caters to people who were into crossovers for years to the point they did those Deviantart renders of "wishlist" characters in a sincere way.

The other exists for people to post ironic memes of Naturo and Thanos existing in the same game and go "LMAO".

 

Also going back to Smash, think: When Sakurai mentioned that the Slayer is also called Doomguy by fans and joked about "running on every computer": you can see them representing how fans "adopted and expanded" the series with a limited setting and the creative/modding scene.

Again, 2 things you can trace back to anyone but the people making "when the Doom music plays".

 

Ehh, I dunno. In a game like Fortnite, the characters are just player skins that pretty much have no pay to win elements to them. It's not like if you buy, say Goku, you will be able to easily win any match by going Super Saiyan mode and destroying the entire arena. You can only do so much with a game like Fortnite to recreate a ton of characteristics to a collab character whereas in a game like Smash Bros. you'd probably have more freedom to recreate a lot of the skills and characteristics that made the characters so iconic.

 

12 hours ago, mrthejoshmon said:

I mean let's be honest, we knew it was coming, don't particularly care (outside of the new avenue we have for shitposting, looking forward to that).

 

The funny part however is that they took so long to do it that it has released alongside a massive controversy that has already soured the fandom.

 

The news of Doomguy appearing in the current Fortnite battle pass coinciding with the Bethesda/id Software and Mick Gordon controversy is probably just a huge coincidence.

 

3 hours ago, Metal_Slayer said:

No retro FPS characters are relevant enough to be in that game, in this sense I don't consider the Doom Slayer a retro FPS character, this is clearly appealing to fans of the new games.

I have seen a lot of people making this argument, but I don't think that's how it works, I don't think the target audience of a free to play game, usually these kind of crossovers happen close to the release of a movie or a game, the Alien crossover was supposed to be an advertisement for that survival co-op Alien game, but nobody played it anyway. With Doom I think it would be a similar situation, their target audience wouldn't play an old game with no online multiplayer or a game that costs more than 10 dollars (Doom Eternal).

 

People would probably be excited to see Gordon Freeman or even Duke Nukem appear in Fortnite.

 

I remember when Robocop, Sarah Connor (T2 version) and the T800 exoskeleton showed up, people were happily suggesting others to check out the original 80's Robocop film and Terminator 1 and 2.

 

Also, if people were excited for Doomguy and want to play more Doom, I always point people towards Doom 2016 and the original Doom games, even if they end up just playing the original Doom games on the Unity Port. At least with that port, it has really easy access to some really good community made content. That's one of the reasons why I want the Old School Doomguy skin to appear.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Lizardcommando

[Doctor_Spengler]

1 minute ago, Lizardcommando said:

The news of Doomguy appearing in the current Fortnite battle pass coinciding with the Bethesda/id Software and Mick Gordon controversy is probably just a huge coincidence.

 

 

It is, Doom Slayer was confirmed for fortnite many months ago

[mrthejoshmon]

51 minutes ago, Lizardcommando said:

The news of Doomguy appearing in the current Fortnite battle pass coinciding with the Bethesda/id Software and Mick Gordon controversy is probably just a huge coincidence.

Never suggested otherwise.

 

It's been obviously pencilled in since Eternal released (surprised it wasn't sooner), I'm just saying it isn't exactly the best time.

[Lizardcommando]

I guess, but what was Epic supposed to do in this situation? Move Doomguy out of the battle pass and replace him with something else?

[mrthejoshmon]

5 hours ago, Lizardcommando said:

I guess, but what was Epic supposed to do in this situation? Move Doomguy out of the battle pass and replace him with something else?

I never said they should do anything, didn't imply they should.

 

Just pointing out the unfortunate poor timing amuses me.

[fishy]

12 hours ago, xScavengerWolfx said:

You know it's called commenting on something or an option we have on a topic. please stop acting like we're causing issues when we're not.

to many people in here it somehow is an issue, you really need to grow up fellas

[Obsidian Plague]

12 hours ago, xScavengerWolfx said:

You know it's called commenting on something or an option we have on a topic. please stop acting like we're causing issues when we're not.

if you put your opinion out on the internet, people have the right to critique it, and i'm critiquing your opinions because most of you are acting like complete manchildren over...*checks notes*...a character being in a game you don't like

what year is this, 2018? are you guys going to go off to watch your "cringe compilations" or whatever? maybe see what MokapHater55 is going to say about how "ess jay double yous" are ruining media?

especially since i'm reading reddit-tier posts here?

[whatup876]

Seeing people bring up other FPS characters and posting screenshots of Doomguy interact with Chief only pushes what i keep thinking: a more respectful, intentional crossover of the two would be an FPS game made with that in mind.

Similar to fighting game crossovers using the native genre to mix in characters from Capcom, SNK, Tekken etc.

Quake Champions was the first time Doomguy, BJ and Ranger were in a game together and despite its lack of hype, there's some arguement about the milestone being somewhat appropriate in a Quake game. (partially because of Q3's Doom etc)

 

And yes, it's too easy to bring up mods like MetaDoom, Samsara, Doom Halo Evolved but only if you're that picky over mods and fan related stuff.

Whereas some "e-personality" on social media and Youtube posts someone else's SFM of Doomslayer and Master Chief together and goes "this would be epic".

I feel like if people really want "the epic", that's why i keep going "look at this cool mod and how some guys essentially brought to life what would be cool if it was official".

The difference between the kid who smashes his action figures and imagines the fights on his head vs the one who gets his dad to make a stop motion video using the action figures, a camera and software to edit the video and add in special effects.

 

"what if id looked at how mods did stuff" sounds lame and maybe even dangerous, but it's also partially because of "look, they added the memes and made them canon".

[Vladguy]

..honestly, if this was several years ago I would start yelling and screaming and pissing and shitting because FoRTntiE BAd cHILdRen RuIN eeVrYHitnG!!!!

But now?

 

 

..eh. 's cool.

doom slayer walking across the battlefield slamming some beats on a boombox is funny

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

4 hours ago, Obsidian Plague said:

if you put your opinion out on the internet, people have the right to critique it, and i'm critiquing your opinions because most of you are acting like complete manchildren over...*checks notes*...a character being in a game you don't like

what year is this, 2018? are you guys going to go off to watch your "cringe compilations" or whatever? maybe see what MokapHater55 is going to say about how "ess jay double yous" are ruining media?

especially since i'm reading reddit-tier posts here?

People like Quasar are just joking around my man, leave 'em be. No point getting more upset than the people you're criticizing for supposedly being upset. That out of left field SJW jab is honestly what I'd expect to find on reddit more than anything anyone here has posted. It's a post related to Fortnite, people are going to make fun of it. Such is modern life on the internet.

 

Personally, I think the whole Fortnite thing is an incomprehensible mess, with Doomslayers and unicorns dancing to Travis Scott and whatnot. But the game itself was fun enough when I played it. I think the random mashup of different franchises lacks any kind of cohesion whatsoever, and is slightly horrifying, but at least there's effort put into the individual assets that are added.

Edited December 5, 2022 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Meowgi]

Holy shit, people really will get mad about anything on the Internet

[Peccatum Mihzamiz]

1 minute ago, Meowgi said:

Holy shit, people really will get mad about anything on the Internet

This comment makes me a sad panda bear.

[mrthejoshmon]

4 hours ago, Obsidian Plague said:

if you put your opinion out on the internet, people have the right to critique it, and i'm critiquing your opinions because most of you are acting like complete manchildren over...*checks notes*...a character being in a game you don't like

what year is this, 2018? are you guys going to go off to watch your "cringe compilations" or whatever? maybe see what MokapHater55 is going to say about how "ess jay double yous" are ruining media?

especially since i'm reading reddit-tier posts here?

You seem to be against the derailment of the topic yet are wilfully dropping trou and shitting on the tracks yourself.

 

Curious.

[Mr. Freeze]

I support anything that makes redditors mad. 

[Obsidian Plague]

23 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

People like Quasar are just joking around my man, leave 'em be. No point getting more upset than the people you're criticizing for supposedly being upset. That out of left field SJW jab is honestly what I'd expect to find on reddit more than anything anyone here has posted. It's a post related to Fortnite, people are going to make fun of it. Such is modern life on the internet.

i don't know, any time fortnite is mentioned for some reason it turns people's brains off, you can't blame me for shit like this

8 minutes ago, mrthejoshmon said:

You seem to be against the derailment of the topic yet are wilfully dropping trou and shitting on the tracks yourself.

 

Curious.

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[HeatedChocolate]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Freeze said:

I support anything that makes redditors mad. 

As an ex-redditor, 100% agree, seein' em squirm with nerd-rage is entertaining.

[Gez]

On dimanche 4 décembre 2022 at 11:31 AM, whatup876 said:

I think it's funny that most complaints (not all but still) are coming from people who got into the series through the new games and not so much the older fans.

Personally, I have no reason to be either happy or upset because I don't care about Doom Eternal, and I really don't care about Fortnite. I've played neither of these games and don't really want to play either. I only got in this thread to see what the fuss was about, due to how big it got so quickly.

 

All that said, crossovers are fun, even if not especially creative. It's also something that is rather cheap to do and is always going to be a crowdpleaser, so it makes sense to see it happen.

23 hours ago, NoahRules said:

i really hate how modern crossovers are just companies showing off all the IPs they have and/or games trying to stay relevant by putting in random unexpected characters from different franchises

 

crossovers have just lost all charm for me at this point

I don't care much about the AAA behemoths doing it, but I do like when indie games do it. Like Dead Cells or Terraria.

[SplinkWizard]

YES!!!!!

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

7 minutes ago, Obsidian Plague said:

i don't know, any time fortnite is mentioned for some reason it turns people's brains off, you can't blame me for shit like this

"Fortnite is bad" is pretty much a meme at this point, some people are serious, some people are too serious, but most of them are just joking around. It's kind of like redditors posting "The longer the Icon of Sin stays on Earth" jokes all the time - I think it's dumb and unoriginal, but I just ignore it. If you think their brains are turned off then don't engage with them. Otherwise it turns into a Youtube comment section - comment #1 is a Fortnite joke, comment #598 is about America selling nukes to Ukraine. It's not worth any kind of name calling or anything.

[Redneckerz]

25 minutes ago, Obsidian Plague said:

i don't know, any time fortnite is mentioned for some reason it turns people's brains off, you can't blame me for shit like this

If you knew the users you targetted you would know they are speaking in jest. Its being lighthearted.

 

If you don't know then yes they are manchildren . What does that tell you?

25 minutes ago, Obsidian Plague said:

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That you are a contributing factor to the real-world current event that my train is delayed.

[Obsidian Plague]

13 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

"Fortnite is bad" is pretty much a meme at this point, some people are serious, some people are too serious, but most of them are just joking around. It's kind of like redditors posting "The longer the Icon of Sin stays on Earth" jokes all the time - I think it's dumb and unoriginal, but I just ignore it. If you think their brains are turned off then don't engage with them. Otherwise it turns into a Youtube comment section - comment #1 is a Fortnite joke, comment #598 is about America selling nukes to Ukraine. It's not worth any kind of name calling or anything. 

aight sure, fair enough

[Herr Dethnout]

14 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

"Fortnite is bad" is pretty much a meme at this point, some people are serious, some people are too serious, but most of them are just joking around. It's kind of like redditors posting "The longer the Icon of Sin stays on Earth" jokes all the time - I think it's dumb and unoriginal, but I just ignore it. If you think their brains are turned off then don't engage with them. Otherwise it turns into a Youtube comment section - comment #1 is a Fortnite joke, comment #598 is about America selling nukes to Ukraine. It's not worth any kind of name calling or anything.

Yeah, I remember the time when people said that "Minecraft is bad" when youtubers starting making his 6000 episode modded minecraft adventures... Or playing Hypixel minigames.

Ironically, a Minecraft series was the reason why the game got popular again when it was pretty forgotten by other games.

Oh yeah, I remember de flame wars between TF2 and OW fans because "Overwatch is a ripoff of TF2".
 

Spoiler

Now both games are pretty dead now, only surviving by memes (TF2) or Porn (Overwatch).

 

[whatup876]

34 minutes ago, Mr. Freeze said:

I support anything that makes redditors mad.  

I see Fornite hate as Redditors trying to be self-aware when you think of why that site is made fun of.

But even mocking Reddit has become a meme on itself, like when an insult describing a certain person is used by the "target" and loses its meaning.

Or even "comebacks" like "touch grass" or "you don't own an hair fryer".

Or just generally, certain beliefs and "language" that clearly represented a certain community or worldview.

Not so different from how Virgin vs Chad was meant to be absurd and about its two characters, before people made it a "thing i hate vs thing i like" meme template.

 

Still relating to my previous posts, a special thing about elitism/gatekeeping/contrarianism etc is the worlds of difference and where some position comes from.