Anyone else tired of the "DOOM runs on anything" meme?

[TasAcri]

It would at least be funny if half of these "ports" had anything to do with DOOM other then the name and maybe a few similar looking sprites. How is this DOOM?

 

 

 

Or this?

 

 

 

These are not running anything resembling the DOOM engine. Or even Wolfenstein 3D for that matter. There's nothing resembling the original maps, not even in a heavily gutted form. It's like those crappy Tiger LCD games. Sure, they share the titles with some popular games but can you really say that "Sonic" or "Golden Axe" runs on a Tiger LCD?

 

And how about all the "DOOM runs on a pregnancy test" articles? It wasn't even the test device that was running the game but an external one, using the pregnancy test's screen for the output. IIRC, there was also a "DOOM on the NES" that did something similar, i think it was an FPGA system in a cart and the NES was only using it's video output. I guess the SNES port of DOOM is also questionable since most of the work is done by the FX chip but hey.

 

Anyone else annoyed by this or is it just me not allowing any fun?

[Thelokk]

Nah, not really. I like pushing stuff to its limits for no reason whatsoever, wish people did it more in general - Doom and else.

[TasAcri]

3 minutes ago, Thelokk said:

Nah, not really. I like pushing stuff to its limits for no reason whatsoever, wish people did it more in general - Doom and else.

 

I'm mostly bothered by all the hype from various articles and social media, not the coders who like to experiment with things. I'm pretty sure the people who made the Spectrum or TI "ports" fully understand that these systems are not capable of running even a severely butchered version of DOOM and how their code differs from that game.

[Z0k]

not at all, i like it its also nice reminder doom is still out there and bring more "rip & tear" enthusiast to our rows

[Horus]

Can't say I am bothered, it's just a bit of fun after all

[Ravendesk]

Well, I'm not particularly bothered, but I kinda agree that often that's just news from nothing, which is stupid, but not really annoying.

[MFG38]

For my next project, I'm going to make Doom run on a pregnancy test running on a Tiger LCD running on a calculator running on a NES running Wolfenstein 3D running Doom.

[RastaManGames]

Personally, I think that this is now something like Rule 34 or similar iconic thing.

So... It is not bothering me, when someone launching his copy of Doom on his beloved device that has screen on it.

Edited December 12, 2022 by RastaManGames

[OpenRift]

No.

 

Now let's get Doom running on this thread lmao

[continuum.mid]

The appeal of that meme to me is seeing the lengths people will go to to get Doom (or a similar "boomer shooter" engine) working on unusual platforms. I find ports of Linux to unusual hardware, or finding Turing-complete functionality in unusual places, similarly interesting.

[RastaManGames]

3 minutes ago, OpenRift said:

Now let's get Doom running on this thread lmao

 

R_Init: Init DOOM refresh daemon - [..........ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ]

[TheFocus]

no, i think it's cool.

 

you know what's not cool? the Doom AVGN episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5zyhC11hzQ

[Lucius Wooding]

Well you couldn't make it work the other way around, such as by peeing on a set of floppies containing Doom and getting a pregnancy result or running a full version of notepad or graphing calculator from them... Or could you? 

[Mr. Freeze]

As Karl Jobst said, the question isn't "can it run Doom" as much as "should it run Doom?" 

[HeatedChocolate]

It bothers me about as much as the "It runs Crysis" thing from years back, that is to say, not at all.

Risking thread derailment, was Crysis even that demanding at the time, is it demanding nowadays?

[indigotyrian]

2 hours ago, TasAcri said:

 

I'm mostly bothered by all the hype from various articles and social media, not the coders who like to experiment with things. I'm pretty sure the people who made the Spectrum or TI "ports" fully understand that these systems are not capable of running even a severely butchered version of DOOM and how their code differs from that game.

 

Someone Put Doom On This Wacky Thing!

 

I do think that news articles reporting on it are rather silly, but really news media is a very silly thing nowadays anyway, but it works for them because getting Doom onto something weird is a fun and flashy story they can run that grabs eyeballs, and feeds into the already-established narrative among the tech-literate and the news media they read/watch that people will make Doom work on just about anything.

 

The other big accomplishment for forcing a a retro computer, embedded system, or similarly-unfit-for-purpose mechanism to do something wildly outside of its spec is to get it to display Bad Apple!!. Despite making an IBM PC 8088 display a video at 640x200 at a constant 30fps being a rather interesting achievement to those who actually know what all of those words mean, making Bad Apple!! run on any device that can display monochrome video doesn't really get that much attention outside of demoscene, retrogaming/retrocomputing, and hacker circles because A) it's a little more difficult to understand *why* this can't normally be done on old computers and B) it's not really talked about on news media to begin with. Doom On A Pregnancy Test is outlandish and also a very clear example of You Can't Do That But You Did It Anyway so it gets an article.

 

30 minutes ago, HeatedChocolate said:

It bothers me about as much as the "It runs Crysis" thing from years back, that is to say, not at all.

Risking thread derailment, was Crysis even that demanding at the time, is it demanding nowadays?

 

Crysis (excluding the remaster I believe) was and still remains a demanding game because Crytek designed it with the idea that hardware manufacturers would continue making single-threaded CPUs that would just get faster and faster. The game came out right around the time of the Core 2 Duo, and hardware R&D shifted from faster single-threaded performance to many multi-threads. Simply put, Crysis was built for hardware that never really came.

Edited December 12, 2022 by segfault

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

Tired of the meme? Yes.

 

Tired of people running DOOM on washing machines and vibrators? Not really. I enjoyed doing UVMAX E4M1 on my electric toothbrush.

 

Spoiler

If DOOM can run on anything, why do they write an article every time Someone runs DOOM on something?

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Herr Dethnout]

The meme is annoying, but the technical achievement is amazing. At this point, Doom is the "Hello world" of the gaming. 

I want for the 30th anniversary being able to play Doom on Doomworld.

[mrthejoshmon]

2 hours ago, MFG38 said:

For my next project, I'm going to make Doom run on a pregnancy test running on a Tiger LCD running on a calculator running on a NES running Wolfenstein 3D running Doom.

So Saturn Doom then?

[Mr Masker]

I personally don't mind. It's fun to see games working on stuff like pregnancy testers and fridges.

 

Although I do find it annoying when someone says, "Doom running on this calculator"  and the gameplay is closer to Wolfenstein 3D. I mean I get that sometimes these projects need compromises to get working, but where's the point where it actually becomes Doom?

[7Mahonin]

Not really. You’re discrediting those two examples because they’re not truly Doom running on the given hardware, but that doesn’t make the feat less impressive on a technical scale. Where it gets annoying is when people turn this meme into nonsense that is not actually anything but Doom photoshopped over something like a potato or when it is used to spread misinformation by claiming Doom was ran on something in public when it never was. 

[xScavengerWolfx]

Personally, i'm not bothered by the whole "but can it run doom" meme. I mean yes sure it's been done to death but you got to give credit though on how they can get a 30+ year old game to run on stuff.

 

What i want for Christmas (xmas) next year is to have doom run on my sony walkman.

[HorseJockey]

Your Tiger LCD comparison is apt. I agree that it is a bit tired, although that being said I did get a good laugh with the Doom running in a chocolate bar this Halloween. My mother was constantly buying into those ridiculous conspiracy theories when I was growing up, the ones about razor blades in candy or the Simpsons temporary tattoos being laced with LSD. So I think I just enjoyed the absurdity of that one. 

[Felix_Margarita]

I think when it's a noteworthy example of clever reverse engineering like running Doom on a pregnancy test; that makes me giggle like a little kid.

 

Doom on a TI-83? Cool, but wouldn't consider it groundbreaking.

[banjiepixel]

It is actually pretty complex issue to define what's a port what isn't. Ports can be often total remakes because source code isn't available or the hardware doesn't run the original engine. And a port also could technically use original engine but to have completely different levels for technical reasons. I would say that if it has Doom graphics ported to the platform and has the basic gameplay ported too, it's definitely a valid Doom port, especially when running on more limited hardware than 16 bit consoles.

 

Without levels that would atleast imitate the original levels, it might be a bad port, but still a port if many of the other Doom stuff are in the port.

 

But meme itself just sucks, just as much the Rip and Tear meme does, óriginally something pretty cool is ran to the ground and just won't die. People do many desperate things for memes.

[Lucius Wooding]

Either you can cut features to fit the limitations, or bring the hardware up to match the minimum spec. Personally I prefer the former solution since it's more creative and fits the spirit of the game better. Obviously putting a raspberry pi inside an NES cart is bullshit (and clickbait), but running doom on a printer or ATM is pretty cool since they were never meant to play any type of game unlike the pi. 

[Desfar]

I personally don't, as I see it as a benchmark.
There were rats that could play it with the proper peripherals if I recall right.

[Doomkid]

Like most of these kinds of things, it’s only annoying when it’s a lie, pretty much what 7Mahonin said.

 

True examples of Doom - or even a homebrew Doom-like game - running on obscure devices are infinitely preferable to the 999th fake, or “woah we used the screen for output!” which is by no means specific to Doom.

[banjiepixel]

7 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

True examples of Doom - or even a homebrew Doom-like game - running on obscure devices are infinitely preferable to the 999th fake, or “woah we used the screen for output!” which is by no means specific to Doom.

 

Primary device vs addon device. There must a decent ratio of the primary device doing the job vs. the addon device doing the work. More than 50% atleast should be done by the primary device. If addon device does more, it becomes the primary device.

Edited December 12, 2022 by banjiepixel

[xdarkmasterx]

No I'm not. To prove it, I made Doom run on this thread