Doom, but every Enemy has a BFG

[JustANormie]

Hello everyone, it's my first time posting something like this. 

 

If you look at the title, I think this mod is pretty self-explanatory. Made by my friend Enator18, he simply changed the attack of the Arachnotron to be a BFG ball, then swapped out every enemy's attack to be the Arachnotron's attack, thus making every enemy shoot a BFG ball. For extra mean points, he swapped out melee states with the modded BFG attack too, so whiffing a Pinky bite or Revenant punch won't work >:) 

 

Lost Souls and Pain Elementals also shoot BFG balls instead of charging and spawning Lost Souls respectively, and the Archvile shoots a BFG ball instead of doing its blast damage attack. 

 

This mod works with any port since it uses DeHackEd, and is meant for the original IWADs, but you can try it with some PWADs if you're brave enough :)

 

Grab the mod! ;)

 

Pics:

 

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Edited February 18, 2023 by JustANormie
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[Enator18]

Here are some demos of the first three levels of doom 2 being beaten with this mod on Ultra Violence. This is all that I have managed to complete so far. Map02 was by far the hardest so far.

bfgdemos123.zip

[LOD42]

If green berserk gets the Cacoward for 2022, then this should have the cacoward for 2023

[ducon]

This should be in the stupid mod idea thread.

[JustANormie]

4 hours ago, ducon said:

This should be in the stupid mod idea thread.

Perhaps, but at the same time it is technically a mod and not a mod "idea" ;)

Edited February 19, 2023 by JustANormie

[ducon]

Yep, but many stupid mod ideas have been realized. Yay.

[Degree23]

Thought I'd play through some Doom 2 with this. Up to Map 8 and it definitely transforms the maps. Suddenly lone enemies in sniping positions are lethal - Chaingunners are now ridiculous. Trying it in conjunction with some slaughter maps leads to hilarious results.

[Enator18]

4 hours ago, Degree23 said:

Thought I'd play through some Doom 2 with this. Up to Map 8 and it definitely transforms the maps. Suddenly lone enemies in sniping positions are lethal - Chaingunners are now ridiculous. Trying it in conjunction with some slaughter maps leads to hilarious results.

What difficulty were you playing on for doom 2, also were you doing pistol start or continuous, and where you using saves? Because I have been trying to play doom 2 with this on uv pistol start saveless and it’s brutal. I have nearly beaten map04 but not quite.

[pcorf]

Imagine playing nuts.wad with this. Green flash ultima!

[Enator18]

42 minutes ago, pcorf said:

Imagine playing nuts.wad with this. Green flash ultima!

I actually tried this and it’s really funny, but probably impossible to clear. Basically in the first room, when you wake up everything, 90% of enemies are dead in an Instant, but there are some chaingunners alive at the back that you can’t deal with before invincibility runs out

[powerkraut]

2 hours ago, Enator18 said:

I actually tried this and it’s really funny, but probably impossible to clear. Basically in the first room, when you wake up everything, 90% of enemies are dead in an Instant, but there are some chaingunners alive at the back that you can’t deal with before invincibility runs out

 

I suck and I cleared it first try, there's so many invulns and all monsters can infight. Still, it's a fun 6 mins.

[Enator18]

3 hours ago, powerkraut said:

 

I suck and I cleared it first try, there's so many invulns and all monsters can infight. Still, it's a fun 6 mins.

oh lol, I was just assuming it would be impossible.

[Degree23]

Nuts.wad is definitely possible, just did it.

 

15 hours ago, Enator18 said:

What difficulty were you playing on for doom 2, also were you doing pistol start or continuous, and where you using saves? Because I have been trying to play doom 2 with this on uv pistol start saveless and it’s brutal. I have nearly beaten map04 but not quite.

 

I'm playing on UV, though I am using saves. I don't have the time these days to grind out complete levels over and over, so I have used a couple of saves at certain points. Map 5 proved particularly problematic.

[Enator18]

3 hours ago, Degree23 said:

Nuts.wad is definitely possible, just did it.

 

 

I'm playing on UV, though I am using saves. I don't have the time these days to grind out complete levels over and over, so I have used a couple of saves at certain points. Map 5 proved particularly problematic.

Oh cool, I just beat map04 finally saveless and am on to MAP05. You are probably smart to use saves, for me, each map has taken hundreds of attempts (except map01 ofc) with map02 in particular taking 686 attempts.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Enator18

[JustANormie]

8 hours ago, Enator18 said:

oh lol, I was just assuming it would be impossible.

Yep, nuts is most definitely possible. 

 

 

Best part was watching all the BFG balls fly everywhere lol

Edited February 21, 2023 by JustANormie

[Axuris]

 

This run is 0.06 seconds slower than my fastest run

[JustANormie]

17 minutes ago, Axuris said:

 

This run is 0.06 seconds slower than my fastest run

Interesting 👀

[Caleb13]

If there is Hell and has a special corner for Doom players, it probably looks like this.

 

I tried it in Gzdoom, but I noticed one flaw: actors of the same type can kill each other only with "splash" damage, they're immune to direct hits. In other words, they can't kill each other if there is a large distance between them.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Caleb13

[Enator18]

27 minutes ago, Caleb13 said:

If there is Hell and has a special corner for Doom players, it probably looks like this.

 

I tried it in Gzdoom, but I noticed one flaw: actors of the same type can kill each other only with "splash" damage, they're immune to direct hits. In other words, they can't kill each other if there is a large distance between them.

Yeah, unfortunately thats just how the engine works. Projectile attacks cannot harm enemies of the same type, only hitscan attacks. Not much I can do about that given that I want this mod to be vanilla compatible.

[Enator18]

10 hours ago, Axuris said:

 

This run is 0.06 seconds slower than my fastest run

Wait what is happening at the end here?

[Caleb13]

@Enator18 Deus Vult 2 has secret exits which were presumably used during development. I reverse-engineered one of them, you need to press 3 more or less random linedefs in correct order to open it. Speedrunners have been using them for a long time, although I'm not sure if there is a complete list somewhere.

Edited February 22, 2023 by Caleb13

[Enator18]

3 minutes ago, Caleb13 said:

@Enator18 Deus Vult 2 has secret exits which were presumably used during development. I reverse-engineered one of them, you need to press 3 more or less random linedefs in correct order to open it. Speedrunners have been using them for a long time, although I'm not sure if there is a complete list somewhere.

Ah, makes sense 

[aika]

Doom 2 Map28 pacifist with the mod: bfg28p114.zip

[aika]

I wanted to try this one, too. Actually pretty fun, especially the duel with the chaingunner :)

 

Doom2 Map21 UV with the mod: bfg21-126.zip

 

Edit: One more:

 

Doom2 Map 08 Pacifist: bfg8p30.zip

Edited February 25, 2023 by aika

[Captain POLAND]

So people are finding this fun, but my idea of Doom having just one boss enemy that used a BFG was considered a horrible idea?

 

 

[Enator18]

On 2/25/2023 at 9:15 PM, Captain POLAND said:

So people are finding this fun, but my idea of Doom having just one boss enemy that used a BFG was considered a horrible idea?

 

 

It’s a bad idea for a normal game that is meant to appeal to a broad range of people, but this is an interesting challenge that you have to be a certain type of person to find fun.

 

EDIT: hold on i thought you were talking about when Id was gonna give the cyberdemon a bfg. I think it’s actually a really cool idea to give a boss a bfg for your map, whoever said it’s a bad idea is lame don’t listen to them. As long as you put reasonable cover and add long telegraph frames beforehand it should be fine. Also maybe give it another attack or two that it uses in addition of the bfg to add some variance.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Enator18

[JustANormie]

So we've got so far:

 

Map01: Possible

Map02: Possible

Map03: Possible

Map04: Possible

Map08: Possible

Map21: Possible

Map28: Possible

 

It's nice to see runs being done on other maps to prove they're possible. :)

I do wonder about 29 and 30 though...

[Enator18]

5 minutes ago, JustANormie said:

So we've got so far:

 

Map01: Possible

Map02: Possible

Map03: Possible

Map04: Possible

Map08: Possible

Map21: Possible

Map28: Possible

 

It's nice to see runs being done on other maps to prove they're possible. :)

I do wonder about 29 and 30 though...

5 is almost definitely possible. It’s just annoying

[aika]

I made some more demos. Map07 was fun, it makes me remember how it felt to play that map for the first time as a kid :)

 

Map07 in 1:26 (Uv-Max)

Map16 in 0:49

Map18 in 0:42

Map27 in 0:59

 

aika-bfg-demos.zip

[aika]

I can't stop making these:
 

Map13 in 2:05

Map32 in 1:12 (Uv-Max)

 

bfg13-205.zip

 

bfg32m112.zip