Civvie 11 FINALLY Does TNT: Evilution

[Breezy]

Love or hate Habitat, you can’t lie that water on the ceiling is an objectively good thing. 

[Blzut3]

I'm fairly certain the intention there was that the brown water texture is supposed to represent the reflection of light from the floor water onto the brown rock.  It was also done in MAP26 I suspect for the same reason.

[No-Man Baugh]

28 minutes ago, Breezy said:

water on the ceiling

 

 

My favorite Deep Purple song, got that riff that goes all like

 

[Tangra]

39 minutes ago, Blzut3 said:

I'm fairly certain the intention there was that the brown water texture is supposed to represent the reflection of light from the floor water onto the brown rock.

 

I don't remember what it was called (ashwall?), but that brown texture always looked like dirt to me, and i use it as such in my maps. In my opinion, it is very unfitting, as a  material for interior walls and buildings. Out of all the availabe brick textures, i will never know why they chose to use that texture for the sewer section.. The green mossy brick flat would have been 10 times better. Maybe it's one of the unfinished parts of the map, and the dirt was just a temporary choice?

[Kinsie]

5 hours ago, Tangra666 said:

This is more in the realms of fantasy, but what if Dario is secretly making Doom maps for the 30th anniversary? I'm calling it first! 😂

Dario mentioned in his interview with Nirvana a while back that he was about to be pulled into a big project at work, so given subsequent revelations he's probably too busy getting Counter-Strike 2 out the door by day to consider touching another map editor by night.

[Tangra]

16 minutes ago, Kinsie said:

 

 

Sorry for the slight off-topic, but i think there were some news a few months back about Dario leaving Valve, or being released by the company. Maybe someone can confirm or deny this?

Edited April 23, 2023 by Tangra666

[Kinsie]

Beats me. Would show how much I pay attention to things and make assumptions, though.

 

 

[Zulk RS]

7 hours ago, Blzut3 said:

I'm fairly certain the intention there was that the brown water texture is supposed to represent the reflection of light from the floor water onto the brown rock.  It was also done in MAP26 I suspect for the same reason.

 

You know... I've never considered that. In fact, now that I look at it, it does look kind cool. I think I might legit start putting more liquid on the ceiling in my own maps now (even when I'm not going for a dream-like, nonsensical vibe)

[Gez]

4 hours ago, Tangra666 said:

Sorry for the slight off-topic, but i think there were some news a few months back about Dario leaving Valve, or being released by the company. Maybe someone can confirm or deny this?

Well I'm not sure why Valve would need level designers in the first place, what was he supposed to be working on? Half-Life Episode 3?

[ReaperAA]

15 hours ago, Gez said:

Well I'm not sure why Valve would need level designers in the first place

 

Half Life: Alyx's levels weren't designed by themselves :p

 

But yes, it is almost certain that Dario is no longer a part of Valve, as his name is no longer in Valve's list of employees. Still, he had an almost 25 year old run with Valve, which is impressive nonetheless.

[Zulk RS]

 

Uhh... should we be worried about the C.L.O.W.N?

 

[Stupid Bunny]

Guessing Quarry is about to get the one-sentence treatment Redemption got. 

[Maximum Matt]

Hey, he barely even talked about Lunar Mining Project, that level is like in the top 25 TNT maps

[ReaperAA]

10 hours ago, Maximum Matt said:

Hey, he barely even talked about Lunar Mining Project, that level is like in the top 25 TNT maps

 

Hopefully you mean that is top 25 among all TNT projects and not top 25 of TNT.wad lol

[Guff dotD]

Funny thing is, Civvie isn't even playing in Complevel 4, because he's using GZDoom (which doesn't have complevels in the same way that PrBoom+ and DSDA-Doom have).

 

[BouncyTEM]

huh, kinda figured he'd compress two into this one...

wonder which map he's not going to talk much about?

[Stupid Bunny]

Yeah I think pretty much everybody did.  Even more curious that he actually seemed to sort of like Quarry, given that it tends to rank near TNT's bottom for most people.

 

I can most likely see it going two ways from here

 

1. He gives Baron's Den and Ballistyx the same video, because Baron's Den is so fucking dull that I don't think anybody could say much about it in spite of its size
2. Civvie is going to be a mega troll and just never review the final map, leaving TNT unfinished forever

[hybridial]

42 minutes ago, Stupid Bunny said:

Civvie is going to be a mega troll and just never review the final map, leaving TNT unfinished forever

 

The irony being it's still a much better final map than Doom 2's... which is like the low point of id developed Doom. 

[Maximum Matt]

3 hours ago, ReaperAA said:

 

Hopefully you mean that is top 25 among all TNT projects and not top 25 of TNT.wad lol

What, TNT did other things!?! Aw hell no

 

50 minutes ago, Stupid Bunny said:

He gives Baron's Den and Ballistyx the same video, because Baron's Den is so fucking dull that I don't think anybody could say much about it in spite of its size

My money's on this, too

[Kwisior]

1 hour ago, Maximum Matt said:

What, TNT did other things!?! Aw hell no

Icarus and Eternal Doom (which was started by another team) are considered classics and superior to Evilution.

[ReaperAA]

49 minutes ago, Kwisior said:

Icarus and Eternal Doom (which was started by another team) are considered classics and superior to Evilution.

 

Pretty sure he is joking...

 

... I am 99% sure :p

[Kinsie]

I, uh, hmm.

 

 

[TheCaneOfTheTophat]

1 minute ago, Kinsie said:

I, uh, hmm.

 

 

I like to call what he's been afflicted by as "TNT Sickness", it's a condition that arises when you get to Baron's Den during a full playthrough of TNT. It makes you go mad, as seen here

[D4NUK1]

It's shows how many of civvie viewers don't watch clickbait Tiktok's videos.

[Kwisior]

Baron's Den really isn't that bad, it's mediocre at best. It's quite easy to navigate and takes only about 15 minutes to beat. Its visuals also aren't tragic, the fire ledge area looks quite cool imo. As for gameplay - it's just the typical classic approach, I can see how people could find it boring, but it's fine to me.

P.S. The video is cringe.

[hybridial]

Okay I missed his Deepest Reaches video, but he gave it a pass. That's good, I think it absolutely deserves one, given it's definitely one of the most successful TNT levels at doing what it set out to do. I'm totally glad it basically got a tribute map in TNT Revilution because it's generally good enough to hold it's own there.

 

Mount Pain is left, and well, MtPain27 is well known for his love of the map, after watching his take I took a go at it pistol start and I became a convert. But I've also seen people (Big Mac Davis I think) call it legitimately one of the worst maps of the set.

 

Now, I mean I get not liking it... I tend to ditch entire megawads for technical or aesthetic reasons that are purely my preference... but the bar is too low in some of TNT Evilution to associate Mount Pain with being the worst or near it in any way, shape or form. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by hybridial

[Zulk RS]

Mt.Pain can be Brutal in Pistol Start but I also find it fun Continuous, which is how I like to play. There are a few sections of it that I don't quite like but I don't dislike them either.

 

Also about Baron's Den, I think the reason for hating it is because it is really boring for how late in the game it shows up. Had it been one of the earlier hell levels or in the mid-section, it wouldn't be that bad but when you're playing TNT and you get to it, by that point your fatigued enough with the wad that that map will put you to sleep.

[Master O]

Civvie getting laid was a mental image no one wanted.

[Stupid Bunny]

On 4/25/2023 at 12:30 PM, Stupid Bunny said:

He gives Baron's Den and Ballistyx the same video, because Baron's Den is so fucking dull that I don't think anybody could say much about it in spite of its size

caaaaaalled it (although it was far and away the most obvious outcome given that the remainder are Mt Pain, a Casali map, and the final two which would be a bit harder to gloss over)

 

also I envisioned many ways he could cover Baron’s Den and that certainly wasn’t one of them 

 

As an avowed Mt Pain enjoyer myself I’m keen to see what he thinks, even if my expectation is a lot of complaining about low tier monsters, sparse health and the inevitable sewer gag. I too see why it’s so widely maligned, as with all of the Drake maps that I’m fond of. Guess he can’t possibly hate it more than Administration Center

[Faceman2000]

Watching any Civvie video in front of my daughter is probably ill-advised, but this one was an especially poor choice.