Never Forget

[DoomGuy999]

today is 9/11. Just take a moment to remember those that died today.

[Sonikkumania]

It was a crime no matter how you see it. Unnecessary deaths. 

[dasho]

All I really have to say about it is that I am greatly saddened that my kids won't experience a pre-9/11 America. 

[MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai]

1 hour ago, dasho said:

All I really have to say about it is that I am greatly saddened that my kids won't experience a pre-9/11 America. 

Yeah IMO, looking back (at least when talking about culture) the attack and the years that followed after that realy did a numbers on your collective mentality.

 

I wonder if things can even get back to pre 9/11 days?

It realy was this monumental event that fundamentaly changed your nation, like Kenedy's assassination, Vietnam etc.

[roadworx]

i forgor 💀

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

It (and the events that followed) really affected the general population on a psychological level, even if they didn't all realize it. I think it's partially to blame for the chaotic mentality that a lot of people here have - it made everyone paranoid. But, the thing is, it also brought everyone together in a way. Everybody cared, and everybody had a common enemy. As time has passed, the memories have faded, and many people are too young to know what the country was like before 9/11. Now the people fight with each other because there is nobody to collectively fight against. The media has everybody riled up, regardless of what side of the political spectrum they are on. The people that lived through 9/11 are more prone to being paranoid, for obvious reasons. The people who didn't live through 9/11, I actually see as being privileged. And I don't mean that to insult them, they can't help when they were brought into this world. But I think that experiencing a massive terrorist attack has a way of humbling you - making you grateful to be alive. When something bad happens in the country, you at least realize that it could be worse. Younger people don't have this tragic event to compare things to. I was in elementary when the towers fell, but I understood what was happening, and I lived through and understood the shit in the middle east, and I grew up at the peak of it all. It definitely affected me.

 

Unfortunately, I think it is going to take another 9/11 to bring the people of this country back together.

 

It's something you can't even pretend to understand if you weren't here, in America, when it happened.

[OniriA]

9/11 was an inside job.

[Dark Pulse]

46 minutes ago, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said:

I wonder if things can even get back to pre 9/11 days?

It realy was this monumental event that fundamentaly changed your nation, like Kenedy's assassination, Vietnam etc.

Sadly, probably not. And there's some things from back then that would be nice to not return.

[MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai]

18 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

It (and the events that followed) really affected the general population on a psychological level, even if they didn't all realize it. I think it's partially to blame for the chaotic mentality that a lot of people here have - it made everyone paranoid. But, the thing is, it also brought everyone together in a way. Everybody cared, and everybody had a common enemy. As time has passed, the memories have faded, and many people are too young to know what the country was like before 9/11. Now the people fight with each other because there is nobody to collectively fight against. The media has everybody riled up, regardless of what side of the political spectrum they are on. The people that lived through 9/11 are more prone to being paranoid, for obvious reasons. The people who didn't live through 9/11, I actually see as being privileged. And I don't mean that to insult them, they can't help when they were brought into this world. But I think that experiencing a massive terrorist attack has a way of humbling you - making you grateful to be alive. When something bad happens in the country, you at least realize that it could be worse. Younger people don't have this tragic event to compare things to. I was in elementary when the towers fell, but I understood what was happening, and I lived through and understood the shit in the middle east, and I grew up at the peak of it all. It definitely affected me.

 

Unfortunately, I think it is going to take another 9/11 to bring the people of this country back together.

 

It's something you can't even pretend to understand if you weren't here, in America, when it happened.

I'm not sure I agree with you entirely. Young people today are at risk of dying in a school shooting or other terrorist attacks.

It's not that long ago when inoce t teenage girls got blown up to pieces during Ariana Grande concert, or were gunned down by their classmate who was chasing clout in becoming the next school shooter.

So I think young people barely have it better than adults, ypu can even say they have it worse since they can't process that tragedy as well.

[roadworx]

22 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Younger people don't have this tragic event to compare things to.

no, i'm pretty sure we have constant school shootings as well as that whole pandemic thing to relate to. at least you guys didn't spend part of your early life hiding inside for two years or have to grow up having regular shooting drills (or in my case, having to be in school during lockdown after shooting threats) like we do

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

Just now, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said:

I'm not sure I agree with you entirely. Young people today are at risk of dying in a school shooting or other terrorist attacks.

It's not that long ago when inoce t teenage girls got blown up to pieces during Ariana Grande concert, or were gunned down by their classmate who was chasing clout in becoming the next school shooter.

So I think young people barely have it better than adults, ypu can even say they have it worse since they can't process that tragedy as well.

You're not wrong - kids are much more likely to get shot at school than being victims of a terrorist attack (as if a school shooting isn't an act of terror). But I have to wonder about the difference - since I kind of lived through both crises. I was in elementary during 9/11, and was in high school and votech when the school shootings were piling up. I feel like living through 9/11 made it worse for me, because it was drilled into my head from a very young age that being murdered in a violent way for absolutely no reason was always a possibility - so I feel like 9/11 made the anxiety over school shootings worse. Don't get me wrong, I'm not some idiot who thinks that kids today are "pussies" or whatever other stupid shit people say about them.

 

And @roadworx, I'm sorry but you're wrong about that - we had at least three lockdown drills without warning every year. We even had them in middle school. I can also send you links to news online reporting on two different bomb threats and subsequent evacuations that I experienced in high school. Anxiety over that stuff was already at a very high level. I agree about the pandemic, but that has a little bit different of an effect, mentally, than a terrorist attack. I'm not saying that it's any less damaging, but it's damaging in different ways, I believe. But I'm sorry for what you've had to experience. None of it is any good for your mind.

[dasho]

14 minutes ago, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said:

It's not that long ago when innocent teenage girls got blown up to pieces during Ariana Grande concert

 

Obviously a tragic event, but this did not happen in the US. I think MushroomMan was referring to American children not being able to understand it as well.

Edited September 11, 2023 by dasho

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

15 minutes ago, dasho said:

Obviously a tragic event, but this did not happen in the US. I think MushroomMan was referring to American children not being able to understand it as well.

In all honesty, I think I barely recall this event. Not because I don't care, but because so many things like this have happened in recent years that events like this all blur together in my head. There have been so many tragedies and attacks at concerts alone that I could not even begin to recall half of them.

 

Also, I apologize for using the word "privileged" in my previous post because that is somewhat insulting by default - I didn't mean it that way. I wouldn't even necessarily use the word "lucky". I think that there's been such a constant barrage of insults dealt to the world in the past 20 years that a lot of people - perhaps even myself - feel like nobody else can understand how they feel about the world because we've all lived through different events that damaged us in different (but equally negative) ways depending on a lot of different things - our age, the countries we live in, our proximity to the tragedies that occurred - it has us mentally segregated. I realize that what I wrote sounds like I'm trying to say I have it worse than people younger than me, but that's not how I feel. As @MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said, it's possible kids today have it even worse - but I don't know, because there's no way for us to truly relate in that way because we experienced different things. I know plenty of people that are damaged from Vietnam, for example. I can try to relate to how they feel, but in reality, I simply cannot because I was not alive.

Edited September 11, 2023 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Andrea Rovenski]

9/11/73

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

Sorry to post again, but I admit I did bungle my first post pretty badly and it does come across as insulting. I hope it's possible to understand what I was trying to say, I promise I did not intend for my post to make it seem like people younger than me are privileged in life, I know they suffer many different things. If it makes sense, I only meant that they are "privedged" to not experience 9/11 in the same way that I am "privileged" for not experiencing Vietnam. None of it is actually any kind of privilege at all, forgive my poor phrasing and poor choice of words. Thinking about this topic provoked a fast response from me that came across as insensitive.

 

I'm saying this not only to apologize, but because I know that people are going to have a negative response to my post and I don't want this thread to devolve into a bunch of posts pointing out the problems with what I said. This is the last thing that I want anyone to think that I want to argue about - I have sympathy for anyone who has suffered for any reason and would never try to make anyone think that I had a harder life than they did.

[LadyMistDragon]

1 hour ago, Andrea Rovenski said:

9/11/73

Oh right!

 

Speaking of which, maybe the thread should've had a different title but I'm not going to shit this up with memes.

[RonLivingston]

I was 9 years old when this happen, I wish I could change it but I can't.

[gibfrag]

This is not the time to virtue signal.. it’s always the same members of DW too that take any chance they can to do so. 
 

RIP to all of those who lost their lives in 9/11 and hope for the best for all the families and friends of the victims who are still permanently emotionally damaged from this tragic event. 

Edited September 11, 2023 by gibfrag

[insertwackynamehere]

The toxic kindness brigade here always finds a way to be unkind about certain things 

 

To clarify, if you are in every thread discussing microaggressions and how people online are horrible chuds but then come here to be edgy and not realize you are the chud, you are who I’m talking about 

Edited September 12, 2023 by insertwackynamehere

[Hebonky]

3 hours ago, OniriA said:

9/11 was an inside job.

Damn that's crazy *takes a hit*

[RataUnderground]

From Europe, the perspective has always been more distanced. A lot of black humor from practically the first day, and today the most common opinion is that the United States received a psychic shock equivalent to Cthulhu waking up and you completely lost your mind. Something I'm not sure you've recovered from, considering the things people are saying on this anniversary.

Edited September 11, 2023 by RataUnderground

[Mr. Freeze]

If you visit NYC and get the chance, go to the memorial fountains. It is an immeasurable sobering moment to walk between two fountains, themselves adorned with the names of the perished, and realize two buildings used to be in their place. I took this photo when I last went to NYC. 
 

[Pechudin]

4 hours ago, Andrea Rovenski said:

9/11/73

 

Ah, the other 9/11.

[kevansevans]

Some photos I took of the 9/11 memorial in 2016:

 

Spoiler

 

It's pretty powerful that a singular event like this was recognized by the whole world and unified us, and it frustrates me terribly that the attack worked exactly as intended, terrorizing every first world country and instilling xenophobia into the people of the USA.

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by kevansevans
remove poopy photo

[Panzermann11]

Being a Vietnamese, I didn't knew much about 9/11 as a kid. My knowledge of American politics and the War on Terror came from plenty of offline Flash games from Miniclip, such as Bush Dancing and War on Terrorism and probably Counter-Strike, and I had very little knowledge on English.

 

I guess, now's the good time to confess.

 

I didn't know it was an event that changed not just the U.S., but the whole world forever. I simply saw it as some random plane crash accident when I heard about it on the internet, taking the fact that it was a terrorist attack where hundreds of innocent lives were lost for granted. I only saw pictures and videos without the recorded audio.

 

I can't believe I'm saying this... I even used to think it was funny. I admit, I was... a different person back then. I was 10 back then.

Edited September 15, 2023 by Panzermann11

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

8 minutes ago, Panzermann11 said:

I can't believe I'm saying this... I even used to think it was funny. I admit, I was... a different person back then. I was 10 back then.

It's completely normal my man, even when I was in middle school I remember someone saying "Happy bring-your-plane-to-work day" on 9/11, and I live in America, not Vietnam. Humor is just another way of exploring different topics, and nobody expects mature jokes from a 10 year old.

[Panzermann11]

4 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

It's completely normal my man, even when I was in middle school I remember someone saying "Happy bring-your-plane-to-work day" on 9/11, and I live in America, not Vietnam. Humor is just another way of exploring different topics, and nobody expects mature jokes from a 10 year old.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

Edited September 13, 2023 by Panzermann11

[DoomGuy999]

1 hour ago, Panzermann11 said:

Being a Vietnamese, I didn't knew much about 9/11 as a kid. My knowledge of American politics came from plenty of offline Flash games from Miniclip, such as Bush Dancing and War on Terrorism, and I had very little knowledge on English.

Did you live in Vietnam at the time? It's unbelievable that it had such an impact on other parts of the world. Then again, this devastated the US. And it must of scared plenty other people around the world considering the fact of how much destruction happened. They even attacked part of the pentagon. The lives that were lost... Families dying... That is horrible.

[OniriA]

I just came back home from school when this was still happening. CNN was on TV showing the first tower still smoking from the first blast.

People were jumping from the towers and then the next moment the tower collapsed. Then the second one not long after that.

As a child it felt surreal but I was very aware that something very serious was taking place in the world that day that would impact the future. And not for the better. We where thinking that WW3 was about to start after that.

 

It was afternoon here while it was still morning in the USA when this was taking place. The whole war on terror that followed, including the invasion of Iraq, and the anti-muslim/minority sentiment that took hold of much of the western mindset effected me in big and small ways throughout my school years and my teenage era. As we were from a minority, my white friends and class fellows  at the time often made snarky anti-muslim/anti-immigrant jokes. Often it was just laughed away but it was always there, seeping. I also felt it from the teachers at the time that they had a lot of misunderstandings regarding this. I never felt understood or safe in that environment but merely coped, trying to focus on my studies.

 

Even though the anti-muslim sentiment has dulled down recently after decades of war in the middle east and countless lives lost, I have a particular hatred towards the Bush administration, which I see as war criminals. What they have done in the Middle East has been thousand times worse then 9/11. That said, the lives lost at 9/11 were a tragedy. It always will be. Everyone believed our own version of the truth, to cope with the reality what we just witnessed on tv. 

 

9/11 could have been avoided if the US military intelligence wasn't so corrupt and negligent at the time. It was also the US that supplied and trained Al-Qaida and gave weapons and arms to Bin-Laden and his cronies. When he was no longer a useful asset to them, they turned against him. They were heedless against the warning signs of the earlier bombings in the 90's and all the red flags that followed. So the US has as much of a hand in letting this happen then anything.

Edited September 13, 2023 by OniriA

[Panzermann11]

On 9/14/2023 at 3:31 AM, DoomGuy999 said:

Did you live in Vietnam at the time? It's unbelievable that it had such an impact on other parts of the world. Then again, this devastated the US. And it must of scared plenty other people around the world considering the fact of how much destruction happened. They even attacked part of the pentagon. The lives that were lost... Families dying... That is horrible.

I've always been in Vietnam my whole life. I was born in 2004, so like I said, I didn't know a lot about the incident at the time around my young age.

Edited September 15, 2023 by Panzermann11