Why is there an explicit condemnation of the 3DO port?

[coderamen]

Rebecca Heineman is a magnificent programmer, and I would argue that the port itself is actually passable given the time she was given to make it. The port itself is a testament to her expertise.

Edited September 16, 2023 by coderamen

[DannyMan]

Choppy framerate and that the port itself was given less time to produce

[coderamen]

33 minutes ago, DannyMan said:

Choppy framerate and that the port itself was given less time to produce

Yeah, I mean the port itself was rushed and Randy of ADI was a liar, but given all the hurdles she faced, it was surprising she could do it at all. She had to rewrite the string.h routines because the 3DO ones were buggy! I know the port itself sucked in terms of playability, but the effort that went into it should still be admired.

["JL" was too short]

Has anyone who's pointed out the bad things about the port been doing so with the thesis that Rebecca Heineman was a shitty programmer?  Of all the mockery I've seen of the 3DO port, I've never seen that argument being made, so it seems weirdly strawman-ish to frame things that way.

[coderamen]

14 hours ago, jerrysheppy said:

Has anyone who's pointed out the bad things about the port been doing so with the thesis that Rebecca Heineman was a shitty programmer?  Of all the mockery I've seen of the 3DO port, I've never seen that argument being made, so it seems weirdly strawman-ish to frame things that way.

No, I'm just saying that typically shitting on someone's work is indirectly shitting on the person who made it.

[Individualised]

Not really. We all recognise that Rebecca Heineman is a very talented programmer, and we all recognise that 3DO Doom is very impressive given the constraints its development was under. That doesn't mean it's a good version of Doom, it's awful. And that isn't her fault. I am pretty sure she also holds 3DO Doom in the same regard.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Individualised

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

50 minutes ago, coderamen said:

No, I'm just saying that typically shitting on someone's work is indirectly shitting on the person who made it.

What? If I spend my good money on a product and it sucks (which the 3DO port most certainly does) I have every right to voice my opinion on it. Every piece of entertainment out there is someone's work. Nobody who bought the 3DO port knew who Rebecca Heineman was or the circumstances that the game was developed under. All they knew is that they bought a product and it fucking sucked. If you think that's "indirectly shitting on someone's work", then I hope you've never said anything bad about any game/film/music you've purchased. Yes, we know the story, yes we feel for Rebecca and respect that she tried as hard as possible to make it work. But even she recognizes that the port is shit. If I say that e1m1 is a terrible map, does that mean I'm taking a shit on John Romero?

Edited September 16, 2023 by TheMagicMushroomMan

[Metal_Slayer]

It's a parody of the phrase from 2010: Another Odyssey, "All these worlds are yours, except Europa, attempt no landing there", it's not meant to be taken seriously.

[coderamen]

1 hour ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

What? If I spend my good money on a product and it sucks (which the 3DO port most certainly does) I have every right to voice my opinion on it. Every piece of entertainment out there is someone's work. Nobody who bought the 3DO port knew who Rebecca Heineman was or the circumstances that the game was developed under. All they knew is that they bought a product and it fucking sucked. If you think that's "indirectly shitting on someone's work", then I hope you've never said anything bad about any game/film/music you've purchased. Yes, we know the story, yes we feel for Rebecca and respect that she tried as hard as possible to make it work. But even she recognizes that the port is shit. If I say that e1m1 is a terrible map, does that mean I'm taking a shit on John Romero?

Jesus Christ you have no life.

[Individualised]

25 minutes ago, coderamen said:

Jesus Christ you have no life.

Saying this to a well respected forum member (who made some very good points and was polite - your response was completely uncalled for) and ignoring other replies to you is not a good look on this board.

[BUYXRAYS]

42 minutes ago, coderamen said:

Jesus Christ you have no life.

Are you even going to acknowledge the points said or are you going to just  going to shit on someone for absolutely no reason?

[Shepardus]

20 hours ago, coderamen said:

I know the port itself sucked in terms of playability

Well there's your answer.

[PsychEyeball]

It's possible to condemn a product and yet recognize there were some people behind it who were talented people with good intentions. Even if you were the most talented programmer in the world, if you only had about a month to make Doom work on a console, you probably wouldn't make it.

 

Also, why you singling out the 3DO version? There were a good handful of ports that also were just unpleasant to play, like the SNES, 32X and Saturn versions.

 

And finally, don't be rude to people taking the time to answer your posts. Just saying.

[TasAcri]

4 hours ago, coderamen said:

No, I'm just saying that typically shitting on someone's work is indirectly shitting on the person who made it.

I'm pretty sure Rebecca would agree that the port is shit. Which is not her fault at all.

[Midway64]

6 minutes ago, TasAcri said:

I'm pretty sure Rebecca would agree that the port is shit. Which is not her fault at all.

 

Yeah, IIRC Rebecca already acknowledges it, like, she already has made a video about her development hell.

 

24 minutes ago, PsychEyeball said:

Also, why you singling out the 3DO version? There were a good handful of ports that also were just unpleasant to play, like the SNES, 32X and Saturn versions.

 

Hey! Don't shit on the SNES port, that one is really impressive.

Getting the three episodes ported under 2MB of cartridge ROM is jaw-dropping, and the game runs fine enough to be pleasant.

 

[PsychEyeball]

25 minutes ago, Midway64 said:

Hey! Don't shit on the SNES port, that one is really impressive.

Getting the three episodes ported under 2MB of cartridge ROM is jaw-dropping, and the game runs fine enough to be pleasant.

The SNES version is impressive indeed, but I still didn't like playing it at all. Way too slow and choppy to my liking. You can acknowledge that the port is very impressive on a technical standpoint, yet still not enjoy the overall experience as a player. Maybe I could have liked it more if it was my first exposure ever to Doom, so who knows.

[D4NUK1]

 

 

 

[coderamen]

4 hours ago, Individualised said:

Saying this to a well respected forum member (who made some very good points and was polite - your response was completely uncalled for) and ignoring other replies to you is not a good look on this board.

I'm just saying that because I don't really care about this topic anymore. Also, I have no life as well. That's why I use Doomworld.

[coderamen]

4 hours ago, Individualised said:

Saying this to a well respected forum member (who made some very good points and was polite - your response was completely uncalled for) and ignoring other replies to you is not a good look on this board.

Hey, I don't monitor my account all the time. Sorry that I don't dedicate my entire life to this forum. Also please don't be a jerk im going through something right now.

[coderamen]

3 hours ago, PsychEyeball said:

It's possible to condemn a product and yet recognize there were some people behind it who were talented people with good intentions. Even if you were the most talented programmer in the world, if you only had about a month to make Doom work on a console, you probably wouldn't make it.

 

Also, why you singling out the 3DO version? There were a good handful of ports that also were just unpleasant to play, like the SNES, 32X and Saturn versions.

 

And finally, don't be rude to people taking the time to answer your posts. Just saying.

I'm singling it out because it was uniquely Herculean to develop among the console ports and is the most panned of all the ports. Also sorry for being rude. I'm sometimes abrasive when I'm not feeling great on a given day. Please I implore you all to be patient with me sometimes.

Edited September 17, 2023 by coderamen
Elaboration.

[coderamen]

7 hours ago, Individualised said:

Not really. We all recognise that Rebecca Heineman is a very talented programmer, and we all recognise that 3DO Doom is very impressive given the constraints its development was under. That doesn't mean it's a good version of Doom, it's awful. And that isn't her fault. I am pretty sure she also holds 3DO Doom in the same regard.

Alright that's fair 

[Biodegradable]

I can understand the angle you were coming from, Coderamen, but most people do have the ability to compartmentalise these things. I mean, even Heineman herself knows the port is shit and regularly talks about what an absolute nightmare the experience really was; so much so that now (as linked by D4NUK1 several posts above) that she's even doing speaking gigs/presentations at conventions about it.

[inkoalawetrust]

6 hours ago, coderamen said:

Jesus Christ you have no life.

Do you work 20 hours a day or something for a 5 minute post to be a lot ? Because that's probably about how long that reply took to write. Or were you expecting to say something dumb and not get a response, or only expected Twitter-style meaningless zingers instead ?

 

As for the post. Yes, the 3DO port is still terrible at the end of the day. Rebecca even admits so yadda yadda, other people have already told you that.

[Edward850]

1 hour ago, coderamen said:

<quad post>

 

[Sonikkumania]

The ost renditions are praised though. 

[Redneckerz]

7 hours ago, coderamen said:

Jesus Christ you have no life.

Pretty rich coming from you when you make a thread complaining about a word pun from a movie.

 

Heineman was brilliant with the 3DO port given the limitations she had to deal with.
 

2 hours ago, coderamen said:

I'm just saying that because I don't really care about this topic anymore. Also, I have no life as well. That's why I use Doomworld.

Good thing i read your About Me and now know that you are in a current state of snippy.
Thus i forfeit saying something mean in return because hey.

 

2 hours ago, coderamen said:

Hey, I don't monitor my account all the time. Sorry that I don't dedicate my entire life to this forum. Also please don't be a jerk im going through something right now.

1. Nobody monitors their accounts all the time (I am not sure what you mean with this.)
2. Neither do we, we are just passionate. Its also where the in-joke that you made a thread over comes from.
3. How is that an excuse for calling someone a no-lifer? Being autistic (This is what you wrote in your about me) isn't an excuse to being a jerk yourself. Don't call pot and kettle if you prefer to be a spoon (or something)

[Monocled]

10 hours ago, coderamen said:

I'm just saying that typically shitting on someone's work is indirectly shitting on the person who made it.

Nope, if a good person makes something objectively bad then its objectively bad whether they're good or not

It doesn't work like that

[plums]

"Fun" fact: Randy Scott, former CEO of the company who made the 3DO port (Art Data Interactive), and for whom the blame on the port being so bad entirely rests upon, was charged in 2017 with molesting two children from the music school he was running. This April he was sentenced to time served (the time he spent in jail awaiting trial is counted as his sentence and he doesn't need to go to prison any longer, as a plea bargain for pleading guilty) and has to register as a sex offender for the next ten years, a fairly lenient punishment IMO.

 

https://www.ocregister.com/2023/04/16/owner-of-oc-music-teaching-schools-gets-time-served-for-molesting-2-students/

 

https://mynewsla.com/orange-county/2017/07/20/little-girls-molested-by-their-music-teacher-lewd-acts-on-oc-children-denied/

Edited September 17, 2023 by plums

[Biodegradable]

13 minutes ago, plums said:

"Fun" fact: Randy Scott, former CEO of the company who made the 3DO port (Art Data Interactive) was charged in 2017 with molesting two children.

 

Hey, wait a minute... that fact wasn't fun at all!