Should I replay ALL cacoawards

[Bloo]

1 minute ago, Monocled said:

I don't entirely agree with you cause that was the main idea of ULTRAKILL and that game is one of the best ever imo, But yeah some aren't that fun but have amazing story's and atmosphere like Bioshock and Bioshock is amazing even if the gameplay isn't great

that's a fair point, but bioshock is actually able to deliver a story unlike doom wads, so it really just comes down to gameplay and presentation.

[plums]

I think the cacowards serve as a nice time capsule to see what was considered high-quality at various points in Doom's past. Playing them all is certainly not a requirement or even a good idea (and will take you a very long time) but playing through a variety of wads over the past 30 years can be an interesting and insightful way to experience Doom history, and the cacowards are generally good material to choose from to do that.

Edited October 3, 2023 by plums

[Bloo]

1 minute ago, plums said:

I think the cacowards serve as a nice time capsule to see what was considered high-quality at various points in Doom's history. Playing them all is certainly not a requirement or even a good idea (and will take you a very long time) but playing through a variety of wads over the past 30 years can be an interesting and insightful way to experience Doom history, and the cacowards are generally good material to choose from to do that.

and if you're a mapper, excellent things can be learned about detailing as well. It is true that the cacoawards have picked some very pretty map sets. especially for their times.

[Monocled]

7 minutes ago, Bloo said:

that's a fair point, but bioshock is actually able to deliver a story unlike doom wads, so it really just comes down to gameplay and presentation.

Yeah, for DooM its pretty objective, All that really matters is fun, visuals, and atmosphere, Or just doing something different like MyHouse, lilith.pk3 does do something different but i would agree with you that its just funky and not necessarily one of the best things from that year.

That being said insulting mappers isn't cool cause they do it for the community and for free, Objectivity is important. But you said you were insulting the artists not the art.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Monocled

[Bloo]

Just now, Monocled said:

Yeah, for DooM its pretty objective, All that really matters is fun, visuals, and atmosphere, Or just doing something different like MyHouse, lilith.pk3 does do something different but i would agree with you that its just funky and not necessarily one of the best things from that year.

That being said insulting mappers isn't cool cause they do it for the community and for free, Objectivity is good cause if somethings not good its just not good, But you said you were insulting the artists not the art

you know, for the ones who read it and the ones who didn't. I apologize, that was rather rash of me to say. It is true that they work hard for the community. I would feel really shitty if someone said something like that about my midis. So again, I apologize for the remark.

[Dreamskull]

I originally agreed with Bloo because I dont care about pretty maps. Im all in on that gameplay and I dont want to be a tourist about it.

[Bloo]

Just now, Dreamskull said:

I originally agreed with Bloo because I dont care about pretty maps. Im all in on that gameplay and I dont want to be a tourist about it.

I still believe it is all about the gameplay and visuals are only there to facilitate that gameplay. 

[whybmonotacrab]

18 hours ago, Bloo said:

simple answer, no.

complicated answer, most of the cacoaward winning megawads are just not good in terms of gameplay in most cases. Sure a lot of them are pretty, but being pretty is great for a painting, but not a video game. A video game should be fun first, and looks should come second.

Please, point me in the direction of these mindblowing displays of gameplay that didn't get cacowards. Since they're better than Valiant, Scythe 2, Eviternity, Sunlust, Struggle, Lost Civilization, Kama Sutra, Plutonia 2, and BTSX they must insanely good and it's deeply upsetting that the cacoward team has created a conspiracy to hide these masterpieces from us.

[Snaxalotl]

2 minutes ago, whybmonotacrab said:

Please, point me in the direction of these mindblowing displays of gameplay that didn't get cacowards. Since they're better than Valiant, Scythe 2, Eviternity, Sunlust, Struggle, Lost Civilization, Kama Sutra, Plutonia 2, and BTSX they must insanely good and it's deeply upsetting that the cacoward team has created a conspiracy to hide these masterpieces from us.

Probably just upset something he worked on didn't get a cacoward

[Dreamskull]

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/psykoplex22

 

You wanted something, here ya go, but I bet you didnt expect me to fire back with anything.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Dreamskull

[Bloo]

Just now, Snaxalotl said:

Probably just upset something he worked on didn't get a cacoward

eh, never tried actually. I've not released much to the doom community as it is. 

 

and as a single map that could have at least been in the running:
 

 

 

[ITaannl09]

Guys I really don't want to be rude but I originally made this thread so I could learn about the doom community and where I should start but also as for other beginners to have an answer to this question

can we just agree on the fact that cacoawards is "great" at everything all around but not good in any of the deeper aspects and you should play what intrigues you

[Bloo]

1 minute ago, ITaannl09 said:

Guys I really don't want to be rude but I originally made this thread so I could learn about the doom community and where I should start but also as for other beginners to have an answer to this question

can we just agree on the fact that cacoawards is "great" at everything all around but not good in any of the deeper aspects and you should play what intrigues you

yeah, that one's on me. Sorry about that bud.

[Snaxalotl]

2 minutes ago, ITaannl09 said:

Guys I really don't want to be rude but I originally made this thread so I could learn about the doom community and where I should start but also as for other beginners to have an answer to this question

can we just agree on the fact that cacoawards is "great" at everything all around but not good in any of the deeper aspects and you should play what intrigues you

I do think its uncalled for that a positive thread you started turned into a spotlight for people to whine about how awful the cacowards are

[ITaannl09]

2 minutes ago, Bloo said:

yeah, that one's on me. Sorry about that bud.

yeah it's fine it's kinda on me because I worded it in a way that would eventually start an argument I just stepped in before new players come in and get confused about what to do and not to do but I'm glad we could have gone to an agreement

Edited October 3, 2023 by ITaannl09
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[JoeSchmoe]

1 minute ago, ITaannl09 said:

Guys I really don't want to be rude but I originally made this thread so I could learn about the doom community and where I should start but also as for other beginners to have an answer to this question

can we just agree on the fact that cacoawards is "great" at everything all around but not good in any of the deeper aspects and you should play what intrigues you

 

I'd add to the discussion that, as a fellow newcomer to DOOM, cacoawards are a great place to look to see what was seen as important or zeitgeisty into a community that we're collectively showing up like 20 years late to. I love looking at maps that have earned awards, and while I don't necessarily expect them to be the absolute objective 100% best WADS available, the same can be true of any award, and there's a standard baseline of high quality that comes along with nominees and winners. It's a very quick and easy metric, as a newcomer, to see what's notable from each year

[Bloo]

okay apologies to everyone on this post then as well. It was uncalled for. I will be more careful about what I post about in the future from here on out.

[Dreamskull]

Okay, so thats settled then. Youll need to come back here after youve played a few and give us your ratings; should be fun to see.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Dreamskull

[ITaannl09]

Just now, Dreamskull said:

Okay, so thats settled then. Youll need to come back here after youve played a few and give us your ratings. 

oh lol I have over the weekend like right after I made this post played like 4 mega wads some from caco some not
And I think it's pretty all round

in my personal opinion cacoawards are a great place to just easily find something

because normally you have to look around in places or ask around in places you don't really know as a beginner and with cacoawards you can see high quality wads

[ITaannl09]

So I think the final answer is

Should I replay all cacoawards

No.

is cacoawards a great resource for wads

yes

why not play them all

because preferances differ and some are dated and the standard has higher allot as I've heard

[Bloo]

1 minute ago, Dreamskull said:

Okay, so thats settled then. Youll need to come back here after youve played a few and give us your ratings. 

I mean I've played a few already. Valiant, Scythe 1/2, BTSX 1/2, and eviternity got super tedious really quick for me.

 

Honestly I'm just trying to improve so I can play sunlust on UV, but I'm really scared about it honestly (cuz I suck at playing doom lol). That's the one I think was super fricken cool overall. Difficult or not, it's really impressive how they interweaved gameplay into complex visuals. It's actually a great example of what I look for.

[xScavengerWolfx]

If you wanna play the cacoaward winning wads, go for it. I mean i've played some of them to get ideas for my maps.

 

Now am i going to be whine, cry, bitch and complain my Ultimate Doom wad didn't win? Hell no, in fact i am not ever trying to get one. If i do i do, if i don't so what it's not the end of the fucking world.

 

All i am saying is if you want to replay some of them, go for it. Don't let the salty people that are legit complaining and bitching stop you from having fun.

 

 

[Horus]

23 minutes ago, Bloo said:

I mean I've played a few already. Valiant, Scythe 1/2, BTSX 1/2, and eviternity got super tedious really quick for me.

 

Honestly I'm just trying to improve so I can play sunlust on UV, but I'm really scared about it honestly (cuz I suck at playing doom lol). That's the one I think was super fricken cool overall. Difficult or not, it's really impressive how they interweaved gameplay into complex visuals. It's actually a great example of what I look for.

Right, so going back to rd’s post earlier, that suggests you’re an example of a ‘specialist’ that enjoys a particular gameplay style. So in that case the cacowards would be more useful for you to pick and choose mapsets from that match that particular gameplay style.

[DaBigNerd]

You definitely don't need to, but like other said, it's a good place to look for quality WADs.

[Zulk RS]

Honestly, no you shouldn't replay all cacowards. They aren't bad wads by any means and if you ever think to yourself "I want to play a good Doom wad", picking a cacoward winner would be a good way to do it since you don't have to wonder if the wad you picked because it had some positive reviews and had nice screenshots is actually good or not.

 

However, there are MANY cacoward winner wads and you shouldn't strive to play all of them just for the sake of playing them. Like you can just download and play a wad that seems interesting to you. Maybe you'll get something bad. Maybe you'll find a hidden gem. Maybe you'll have a one-of-kind experience like playing ProDoomer (It's bad). Maybe you'll find that you really like a wad that most people don't like.

 

Lastly, tastes, skill-level and playstyle varies. What might be well-loved by the community might not be your cup of tea. Download wads that you think may be interesting and give it a spin. You may find something awful; you may find something awesome; you may find hidden gems; you may find a unique experience like playing ProDoomer (It's bad); You may find a wad that you love but the general community dislikes (For me it's DTS-T). Hell even with Cacoward winners, you may find that you really dislike a wad that the rest of the community likes. For example I can't play any of Ribbiks's wads. They aren't bad by any definition, I'm just not skilled enough at Doom to do it. Sure, I could spend time grinding to become good at those maps but I feel at that point I wouldn't really enjoy it and thus there's no point for me to play it.

 

What I'm saying here is, there's no one-size -fits-all "Best of the best" doom wad. Just play the stuff you enjoy/find interesting.

[treulosetomate]

2 hours ago, Horus said:

Right, so going back to rd’s post earlier, that suggests you’re an example of a ‘specialist’ that enjoys a particular gameplay style. So in that case the cacowards would be more useful for you to pick and choose mapsets from that match that particular gameplay style.

 

Or you could look up the authors on doomwiki and see what else they've made.

[whybmonotacrab]

3 hours ago, ITaannl09 said:

So I think the final answer is

Should I replay all cacoawards

No.

is cacoawards a great resource for wads

yes

why not play them all

because preferances differ and some are dated and the standard has higher allot as I've heard

What might also help is letting us know what wads you've enjoyed in the past and we can give you a more tailored list of cacoward winners to start off with.

[RataUnderground]

4 hours ago, Bloo said:

I mean I've played a few already. Valiant, Scythe 1/2, BTSX 1/2, and eviternity got super tedious really quick for me.

 

Honestly I'm just trying to improve so I can play sunlust on UV, but I'm really scared about it honestly (cuz I suck at playing doom lol). That's the one I think was super fricken cool overall. Difficult or not, it's really impressive how they interweaved gameplay into complex visuals. It's actually a great example of what I look for.

I have read the thread laughing every now and then because of the unpopularity of certain comments, but at this point I have to ask because I am extremely curious.
Which wads do you like? Because all the ones you mentioned are very different from each other, in tone and style.

Edited October 3, 2023 by RataUnderground

[Ravendesk]

4 hours ago, whybmonotacrab said:

Please, point me in the direction of these mindblowing displays of gameplay that didn't get cacowards. Since they're better than Valiant, Scythe 2, Eviternity, Sunlust, Struggle, Lost Civilization, Kama Sutra, Plutonia 2, and BTSX they must insanely good and it's deeply upsetting that the cacoward team has created a conspiracy to hide these masterpieces from us.

I know you are being ironic, but there was a whole thing for that:

https://www.doomworld.com/25years/top-25-missed-cacowards/index/

 

I think it's very interesting to see the things that were missed and I hope to see the "missed cacowards" again some time in the future.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Ravendesk

[RataUnderground]

There are wads that are good or valuable experiences beyond Cacowards is something that should be fairly obvious. Which is not to say that the Cacowards are not a good representation of "the best" of each year, although it is impossible not to be subjective in such a judgment.