Realm Deeps 2023 Round-up!

[D4NUK1]

13 hours ago, P_A_Z said:

 

Yum Yum. I can't wait for my second run. But David Szymanski is also working on Gloomwood so i wish that this immersive sim/thief like will be done quickly :p

 

My fourth run for me :p

 

and also David doesn't not have that much work on Dusk HD afaik, mostly approves or say the direction where the HD models need to be done/inspired. Hopefully the makers of the models goes up when drop it.

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

I'm sorry but the demo for Phantom Fury was so bad it almost seems like it cannot be salvaged. I have no idea why this demo was even released, this is not something that is going to convince anyone to purchase the full game. Quite the opposite, in fact. Whoever ordered this demo to be released made a huge mistake.

[MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai]

3 hours ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

I'm sorry but the demo for Phantom Fury was so bad it almost seems like it cannot be salvaged. I have no idea why this demo was even released, this is not something that is going to convince anyone to purchase the full game. Quite the opposite, in fact. Whoever ordered this demo to be released made a huge mistake.

Huge mistake for them, good thing for us.

 

I´ve been wondering, ever since seeing the demo, what could go so wrong? Then again wasn´t 3D Realms owned by Embracer group, that investor film which just had a huge layoff. Couldn´t that be the cause for the troubled development?

 

We´ve already seen this thing happening to the Kotor remake and that debacle with Kotor 2 DLC, so I think this is a much wider problem.

 

Edit: Ok, just gave a quick check on Wikipedia and 3D Realms is indeed listed as subsidiary of Embracer Group. Definetly explains the curent shitshow, because the company is apparently in proces of restructuring focusing on: "cost savings, capital allocation, efficiency, and consolidation, which will include staff layoffs, studio closures or divestments, and game project cancellations or suspensions with immediate implementation into phases until March 2024."

 

Looks realy bad to be Ion Fury fan right now :(

Edited October 4, 2023 by MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai

[Mr. Freeze]

3 hours ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

I'm sorry but the demo for Phantom Fury was so bad it almost seems like it cannot be salvaged. I have no idea why this demo was even released, this is not something that is going to convince anyone to purchase the full game. Quite the opposite, in fact. Whoever ordered this demo to be released made a huge mistake.

 

You love to see it 

[mrthejoshmon]

You think Phantom Fury is going to change engines 5 times and release in 2033 under Gearbox?

Because to be honest, it would do it some good.

[Rudolph]

Who knows? Maybe the game is going to get leaked and it will be up to fans to put together a Restoration Project to properly finish and polish it. :P

Edited October 4, 2023 by Rudolph

[Lila Feuer]

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

- Johan Ramirez

[Rudolph]

Who is Johan Ramirez?

[Lila Feuer]

John Romero in another dimension.

 

But yeah it makes sense now, I swear 3DR have been placed under a curse, they're not even dealing with Randy and they're still getting the leash.

[Rudolph]

2 minutes ago, Lila Feuer said:

John Romero in another dimension.

 

But yeah it makes sense now, I swear 3DR have been placed under a curse, they're not even dealing with Randy and they're still getting the leash.

Eh. I have to disagree. Ion Fury is as much of a Duke Nukem 3D spiritual successor and it seems to be doing rather well right now.

 

As for Phantom Fury, all jokes aside, it is just a bad demo, not the full game. It is way too early to call it a repeat of Duke Nukem Forever.

[MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai]

16 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Eh. I have to disagree. Ion Fury is as much of a Duke Nukem 3D spiritual successor and it seems to be doing rather well right now.

 

As for Phantom Fury, all jokes aside, it is just a bad demo, not the full game. It is way too early to call it a repeat of Duke Nukem Forever.

 

Dude, they want to release it this year, why shouldn't we be woried?

[Dynamo]

The Steam page says release is planned in 2023, but that is always subject to change as far as I understand.

[Rudolph]

13 minutes ago, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said:

Dude, they want to release it this year, why shouldn't we be woried?

By release, do you mean an Early Access release?

 

If so, then it is just par for the course for most indie titles these days. Nothing to worry about... yet.

 

Plus unlike Duke Nukem Forever, Phantom Fury just does not have the same level of make-it-or-break-it hype going on for it. If it ends up not being very good, it is just going to be forgotten like Bombshell. Plus there is always Aftershock, which is already out anyway.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Rudolph

[BGreener]

40 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Ion Fury is as much of a Duke Nukem 3D spiritual successor and it seems to be doing rather well right now. 

 

What does that mean, and what is it based off of? I know there's always Steam Charts/Spy and that's not painting the prettiest picture.

[Rudolph]

36 minutes ago, BGreener said:

What does that mean, and what is it based off of? I know there's always Steam Charts/Spy and that's not painting the prettiest picture.

Is Ion Fury supposed to be a flop now? It must have done well enough to warrant an expansion, which I hear is pretty good.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Rudolph

[mrthejoshmon]

10 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Is Ion Fury supposed to be a flop now? It must have done well enough to warrant an expansion, which I hear is pretty good.

 

We aren't talking about the Bombshell IP.

We are talking about Phantom Fury as a game itself, which is very very not good.

 

The future looks grim for Phantom Fury, not Bombshell entirely.

Edited October 4, 2023 by mrthejoshmon

[Rudolph]

14 minutes ago, mrthejoshmon said:

We are talking about Phantom Fury as a game itself, which is very very not good.

BGreener was seemingly talking about Ion Fury, though, hence my confusion.

 

As for Phantom Fury, let me remind you that it is a game that nobody was expecting in the first place, since it looked like Ion Fury was going to be the way to go for Bombshell from here on now. Even if the rushed demo ends up being representative of the final product's quality and the game does not get an Early Access phase to iron out the bugs (which would be surprising, given how most indie titles have gotten one), it is most likely not going to end up being an infamous flop like Duke Nukem Forever. So as I said, nothing to worry about... yet.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Rudolph

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

30 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

As for Phantom Fury, let me remind you that it is a game that nobody was expecting in the first place, since it looked like Ion Fury was going to be the way to go for Bombshell from here on now. Even if the rushed demo ends up being representative of the final product's quality and the game does not get an Early Access phase to iron out the bugs (which would be surprising, given how most indie titles have gotten one), it is most likely not going to end up being an infamous flop like Duke Nukem Forever. So as I said, nothing to worry about... yet.

The fact that nobody was expecting the game doesn't make the situation any better. "Surprise, we're making a sequel to a game you like and it's extremely unpolished and isn't even made by the same developers as the original (from my understanding)" feels like nothing but a letdown. Of course it won't be an "infamous flop like Duke Nukem Forever" because Ion Fury is nowhere near the popularity of Duke Nukem when DNF was in announced and went into development hell. It's an indie game. DNF was meant to be a AAA mainstream title. The game could be thirty minutes of clipping through a floor and it wouldn't be as infamous as DNF. And sorry, when you release a shitty demo for your game that's due to come out within a few months, that's cause for "worry".  You are quite literally saying in this comment "Even if the shit demo is representative of the quality of the final product, there's no reason to worry because it won't be as much of a flop as DNF". I don't comprehend this logic.

[BGreener]

55 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Is Ion Fury supposed to be a flop now?

 

Eh :(? I was simply asking where you get your view regarding Ion Fury's success, my bad. But if the basis is "must have done well enough to warrant an expansion" that you hear is good then that's a satisfactory answer, so cheers!

 

2 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

The fact that nobody was expecting the game doesn't make the situation any better. "Surprise, we're making a sequel to a game you like and it's extremely unpolished and isn't even made by the same developers as the original (from my understanding)" feels like nothing but a letdown. Of course it won't be an "infamous flop like Duke Nukem Forever" because Ion Fury is nowhere near the popularity of Duke Nukem when DNF was in announced and went into development hell. It's an indie game. DNF was meant to be a AAA mainstream title. The game could be thirty minutes of clipping through a floor and it wouldn't be as infamous as DNF. And sorry, when you release a shitty demo for your game that's due to come out within a few months, that's cause for "worry".  You are quite literally saying in this comment "Even if the shit demo is representative of the quality of the final product, there's no reason to worry because it won't be as much of a flop as DNF". I don't comprehend this logic.

 

Isn't that like a real low bar as well? You have to try hard to flop as much and for as long as DNF did. Even then that's just a reference, right? The endgame here is if this demo blew my mind, I'd probably want to throw money in supporting even an early access release this year.

[Rudolph]

17 minutes ago, BGreener said:

Eh :(? I was simply asking where you get your view regarding Ion Fury's success, my bad. But if the basis is "must have done well enough to warrant an expansion" that you hear is good then that's a satisfactory answer, so cheers!

No problem!

 

It is true that an expansion is not necessarily a sign of success, but the fact that 3DRealms felt confident enough to greenlight one is usually a good sign. Also, as far as I am aware, Voidpoint has managed to release Aftershock without any easily-avoidable PR incident this time around. Huge success!

 

17 minutes ago, BGreener said:

The endgame here is if this demo blew my mind, I'd probably want to throw money in supporting even an early access release this year.

They can always just take down the demo, apologize and upload a more polished one at a later date. Nothing that cannot be salvaged.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Rudolph

[MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai]

You don't just polish something that is so fundamentaly broken in just a short time, this game would require at least a year of fine tuning

[Rudolph]

Hopefully it will. As Dynamo pointed out, these dates are always subject to change.

 

I mean, come on, you guys. Are you really in this much of a rush to play Phantom Fury? :P

[MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai]

34 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Hopefully it will. As Dynamo pointed out, these dates are always subject to change.

 

I mean, come on, you guys. Are you really in this much of a rush to play Phantom Fury? :P

None of us are after the demo :P.

 

But this is less if a rush and more of a concern if the devs are even CAPABLE of meeting the basic expectations and deliver at least a competent game then the disaster shown in the demo.

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

Just now, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said:

None of us are after the demo :P.

 

But this is less if a rush and more of a concern if the devs are even CAPABLE of meeting the basic expectations and deliver at least a competent game then the disaster shown in the demo.

Honestly that's the problem I'm witnessing - based on what I've seen, it's not something that just needs "more time in the oven". The foundation itself is cracked. The fact that someone decided it was a good idea to release that demo insinuates to me that there is a problem beginning with the management and leadership itself. It simply seems like there is a lack of experience. It's not that it's unpolished, it's that it feels very amateur. I'm not saying that all of the developers are talentless, it's far from that - but something here is just not working. I haven't done much reading on the subject, but you're not the only person I've seen pointing the finger towards Embracer. If it's a problem like that, I really feel for the developers of this because it sounds like they're probably getting fucked.

[Rudolph]

23 minutes ago, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said:

None of us are after the demo :P.

 

But this is less if a rush and more of a concern if the devs are even CAPABLE of meeting the basic expectations and deliver at least a competent game then the disaster shown in the demo.

Probably what happened is that some executives were pushing to have a demo ready for Realm Deeps 2023 and the developers were not able to meet the deadline. If that is the case, then hopefully, they will have learned their lesson and only have stuff released when it is ready.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Rudolph

[MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai]

46 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Probably what happened is that some executives were pushing to have a demo ready for Realm Deeps 2023 and the developers were not able to meet the deadline. If that is the case, then hopefully, they will have learned their lesson and only have stuff released when it is ready.

Ok, that is a solid theory, but then the release date (unless changed) is still concerning

[Lila Feuer]

I agree that this theory is realistic, but yeah I'm quite the opposite of excited for this game now because of these terrible first impressions. Sure there's success stories like No Man's Sky where eventually it becomes good, but then you have Mafia III with what I like to call the basic six month support window to do minor bug fixes and usually extra content to "make up" for the state the game launched and is still left in and then it's dropped.

[Rudolph]

I guess listening to Tim Cain's game development stories made me empathize with developers so much.

[Kinsie]

Speaking of nu-3DR and boondoggles, someone pointed out something that seemed weird to me but that I couldn't quite put into words:

 

 

[ReaperAA]

16 hours ago, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai said:

Then again wasn´t 3D Realms owned by Embracer group, that investor film which just had a huge layoff. Couldn´t that be the cause for the troubled development?

 

10 hours ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

you're not the only person I've seen pointing the finger towards Embracer. If it's a problem like that, I really feel for the developers of this because it sounds like they're probably getting fucked.

 

Honestly, I just think it is Slipgate being incompetent developers as usual. They made Bombshell and other mediocre games before Embracer even got into the picture