Game that everyone hates but you like?

[BGreener]

41 minutes ago, ETTiNGRiNDER said:

I think AVGN (and similar, but AVGN was obviously the big popular one) did that to a lot of stuff, honestly, playing up the complaints for comedic effect or outright digging for things to poke at.  I remember years and years ago when Kid Kool was the newest episode, someone mentioning it to me in a "oh, have you seen the newest AVGN, it's of Kid Kool, a game that deserves to be on that show" sort of way, and it was kind of telling for the implication of "not every game on AVGN really deserves it".

Him, Spoony, Yahtzee - it was ‘the thang’ all those popular video game reviewers did as they boomed in the mid-to-late 2000’s, and they provided plenty of fuel to many internet hate machines. They also had a lot of good and hilarious content and some (oftentimes harsh) critiques that I’m still aligned with. 

 

I will state my love for the notorious online multiplayer of Call of Duty 4, and it seems so quaint now in retrospect. I first played it on the XB360 before my world opened up when I started playing it on PC within a year later. My very first impression of it was when I was visiting a friend and his big brother was blasting it upstairs, I remember being so impressed by the sound design: “THAT’S from a game??? That does NOT sound like ‘just a game’!”

[coderamen]

3 hours ago, Lippeth said:

 

 

Well naturally, but since "Game that everyone hates but you like" is obviously hyperbolic and unrealistic in the literal sense, I took it as "Games that get a lot of hate that you like".

Remember that tantruming bald pronouns guy.

[cambreaKer]

hunt down the freeman. it's actually been on quite a redemption path recently, started getting updates that improve a lot of things like the level design, models, etc. (not the story though) and even though even with these updates the game's still a bit bad, i kinda enjoy it for what it is and for what it tried to do, maybe i just have really low standards lol but whatever

[Skemech]

35 minutes ago, Monocled said:

I am not speaking out of experience cause i have never played it but isn't the entire game just a bunch of cheap jumpscares that use loud noises and fast movement?

No that's every other fnaf game, not fnaf world. fnaf world was the rpg style gameplay

[Monocled]

3 minutes ago, Skemech said:

No that's every other fnaf game, not fnaf world. fnaf world was the rpg style gameplay

Oh, When you said world i thought you were referring to the whole series

Also its probably hated cause its a good game in a series of bad ones

Edited October 3, 2023 by Monocled

[Lippeth]

10 hours ago, Gez said:

I've seen some people make an absolute stink about stuff that's completely stupid to complain about.

 

27 minutes ago, coderamen said:

Remember that tantruming bald pronouns guy.

lol, @Gez I assume your fair point was referring to things like this.

[Biz!]

Wolfenstein 2

Wolfenstein Youngblood

Doom 3

Half-Life: Blue Shift

Finally, Spear of Destiny: Mission Pack 2

Edited October 3, 2023 by Biz!

[Individualised]

5 hours ago, coderamen said:

it's a fucking pain to map for.

Out of curiosity what about Quake mapping do you find to be difficult compared to Doom mapping? I actually find it much easier, so much so that I find myself messing around in Trenchbroom more than Ultimate Doom Builder. I actually wish UDB would implement features from Trenchbroom such as inspector panels for editing things, and a more interactive 3D view.

[Lila Feuer]

29 minutes ago, Biz! said:

Finally, Spear of Destiny: Mission Pack 2

 

My my you are an odd one indeed, I like its aesthetics, but those maps are very rough, it's actually on my radar to make a full set of replacement maps for Return to Danger because I think the limited texture set and themes would make for an interesting design challenge.

[Rudolph]

1 hour ago, Lila Feuer said:

I would say the same except for FEAR 2, which seems mostly hated. Yes it's a lazy retread of the first game's story

I think FEAR 2 is good too, although the fact that it feels like a console game first and foremost did it no favors. Also, the environmental cover mechanic is downright useless: what is the point of being able to flip tables and furnitures if they do not provide sufficient cover?

 

I disagree that it is a lazy rethread, however; on the contrary, I think it is a massive improvement over the first game: the environments and enemies are much more diverse and visually interesting, the game is much better paced, the story is told in a much more interesting and dynamic manner and the protagonist plays a central role in the plot rather than just being a distant witness to someone else's story.

 

1 hour ago, cambreaKer said:

hunt down the freeman. it's actually been on quite a redemption path recently, started getting updates that improve a lot of things like the level design, models, etc. (not the story though)

I hope they never try to fix the story. It is the most enjoyable thing about the whole damn thing!

Edited October 3, 2023 by Rudolph

[Biz!]

20 minutes ago, Lila Feuer said:

 

My my you are an odd one indeed, I like its aesthetics, but those maps are very rough, it's actually on my radar to make a full set of replacement maps for Return to Danger because I think the limited texture set and themes would make for an interesting design challenge.

Mission Pack 2 is actually really fun, for those wolfenstein superfans like me, however Mission Pack 3 is not redeemable at all.

[Lila Feuer]

22 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

the fact that it feels like a console game first and foremost did it no favors. Also, the environmental cover mechanic is downright useless: what is the point of being able to flip tables and furnitures if they do not provide sufficient cover?

 

the environments and enemies are much more diverse and visually interesting

 

It was essentially the beginning of the end of PC games being developed with PC in mind, so every platform essentially got the exact same game minus frame rate differences. The cover mechanic was immediately lame as was the removal of leaning because muh gamepad. Visually the game looks pretty damn nice still even for 2009, the lengths one can go with just having a strong art direction and decent lighting really helps a game not become aged almost immediately after it comes out.

[Rudolph]

16 minutes ago, Lila Feuer said:

The cover mechanic was immediately lame as was the removal of leaning because muh gamepad.

Which is ironic, as F3AR would later reintroduce leaning with its (actually functional) cover mechanics.

[Ralseiwithagun]

Call of duty: WWII

 

I like the war mode okay :(

[DankMetal]

New super mario bros 2. Everyone says that it's the worst of the "New" saga, but it's not that bad, i even consider the "collect 1 bajillion coins" premise interesting and something that should be incorporated in a new game again. It was the first "New" super mario bros i ever played so i'm obviously biased

[Lila Feuer]

I'm one of the twelve people on this planet that likes Blood II, and Shogo. I was reluctant to mention them earlier but only because they weren't panned at the time of release, just over time, but hell it's an appropriate choice given the crimes B2 committed against its predecessor and Shogo being bullshit really even though it actually has a fan base. The latter has no such game like it since and I lament what the sequel might've been like. That said despite everything going against them and Monolith being in over their heads at the time with rapidly developing technology and a horrible publisher they tried to make something cool and I applaud their attempts even with the rawness on display.

 

The Nightmare Levels for Blood II however can go fuck themselves.

[Mr. Freeze]

Apparently, everyone hates Squad post-Infantry Combat Overhaul except me. 

[Doctor_Spengler]

Obligatory Fortnite comment here. Its actually a good game but gets brushed off too easily. 

[FletcherHonoroma]

8 hours ago, Black Star said:

Borderlands 3. It got shit on because it's wasn't Borderlands 2 2, but the actual gunplay is so much better than its predecessor, not to mention the movement. Jumping is still janky as ever but running and sliding around during firefights feel really fluid and satisfying. Really makes me wish to have a Borderlands this kind of gameplay that has every Vault Hunter in it. A more mobile Brick, Sal or Kreig? Inject that into meeeee

Borderlands 2 was a game everyone loved that I never got along with having been such a massive fan of the original. That rough around the edges, Mad Max crustiness had gone. And while the first game's humour was far from cerebral, it at least didn't make me grimace like 2 did.

I never gave 3 a look in, but if the actual gunplay is better then that's great! The truth is, in both games, the gunplay (the most important part really, I mean you're collecting all these guns) is really, really bad lol
 

[FletcherHonoroma]

16 minutes ago, Doctor_Spengler said:

Obligatory Fortnite comment here. Its actually a good game but gets brushed off too easily. 

I never played it for the longest time, only until recently. It's genuinely fun, what more can I say?

[OliveTree]

im not gonna bring up doom 3 again. i cant do it.

 

uhhhh i have a lot of fondness for Halo 5 even though I agree with everything people say about it critically. That kind of super high resolution sci fi with crazy machines and details is a visual style i just love looking at. The story is pretty bad but the cutscenes honestly still hold up. Halo Infinite's cutscenes are generally not very watchable in comparison imo. And I'd argue the story in most halo games is bad in many of the same ways (not paying off its setups satisfyingly, being too high concept for its manner of presentation, various character problems, etc).

 

bioshock 2 is my favorite bioshock game by a WIDE MARGIN like its no contest

 

i loved the evil within 1 a LOT its one of my favorite games of all time honestly

[Rudolph]

11 minutes ago, OliveTree said:

bioshock 2 is my favorite bioshock game by a WIDE MARGIN like its no contest

I do not like any of the Bioshock games, but playing as a Big Daddy makes a lot of sense and I am glad at least one entry in the series went for it.

 

Just like I am glad that Borderlands 2 had a playable Psycho class.

[AduckOnASpike]

Wii Music

 

 

 

It aint bad tbh

[DaBigNerd]

Saints Row IV. Why does everyone hate it? It has fun gameplay, an engaging plot, almost no bugs, and good graphics (for its time). Not to mention, its graphics were updated to modern standards in 2022, so graphics aren't a problem.

[Angelloproduct]

Red faction 2. People discredit the game for the lore and that it isn't a sequel. The game has different engaging sections like the gunship sequence, mechs and environment. Despite its age the game had really iconic moments for me at least from the several playthroughs and multiplayer sessions I would have with friends and family. Red faction 2 was the sole reason I owned my first console.

[Danfun64]

12 hours ago, Rudolph said:

Oh, speaking of Mega Man X, Mega Man X7 is actually not that bad. I had fun playing it on the PC, even though it can be quite janky at times. For reasons that now escape me, I even had the (above-average) soundtrack replaced with Descent I and II's tracks, but I vividly remember using Descent II's "Are You Descent?" as the boss fight theme - probably because I heard it a lot as I kept getting my ass kicked.

Do you remember the rest of your track replacements? Just curious.

[Murdoch]

11 hours ago, Lila Feuer said:

I played FONV first and while it was arguably the better of the two modern Fallouts at the time I still manage to enjoy the world Bethesda crafted and its wartorn atmosphere and there's even things in it that iirc NV doesn't do like npcs that actually run away from you when badly injured and all the destructibles in the environment that really light firefights up even more, but that may of been due to Bethesda's meddling with NV during development. Also that absolute beast that is the combat shotgun. I'm well aware it doesn't handle a lot of things right regarding the lore in the other games and the state of the world looks like the bombs just dropped 50 years ago and not 200, but then there's things in NV that don't make sense either. Writing is hard.

I think you would struggle to find someone who disagrees that Fallout: New Vegas is the best of the new Fallout games. But I would argue it's purely from a writing perspective. I actually find the world of it pretty bland. Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 (especially not modded) have many issues, but I think the world building and environmental storytelling is far superior.

Had Obsidian not had such an absurd development time forced on them, it might have been different story.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Murdoch

[whybmonotacrab]

8 hours ago, Lippeth said:

 

I remember Tomb Raider largely being passed off as an Uncharted clone, with Lara Croft not being the unflappable explorer she's usually known for.

So i hate this game with a passion, but when it came out it was universally beloved. I think that fuelled my hate more. When it came out I was writing for a small website and I remember being on the goty podcast and arguing thay game out of the top 5 (it was number 3 to begin with).

 

 I'm not a cranky try hard 21 year old anymore though, so while I still dislike the game personally, I'm not going to argue with anyone who does. Why try to deprive them of the joy something brings just because I'm not a fan? Also shadow of the Tomb Raider was pretty good so I feel like I me they righted that ship.

[QuaketallicA]

1 hour ago, DaBigNerd said:

Saints Row IV. Why does everyone hate it? It has fun gameplay, an engaging plot, almost no bugs, and good graphics (for its time). Not to mention, its graphics were updated to modern standards in 2022, so graphics aren't a problem.

 

I played Saints Row IV a while back and loved it. Hilarious take on the GTA formula. Although I wouldn't say "good graphics" because no for 2013 that wasn't very good. But that really isn't a problem. People need to get over the rabid obsession with the latest and greatest in graphics.

[QuaketallicA]

38 minutes ago, whybmonotacrab said:

So i hate this game with a passion, but when it came out it was universally beloved. I think that fuelled my hate more. When it came out I was writing for a small website and I remember being on the goty podcast and arguing thay game out of the top 5 (it was number 3 to begin with).

 

 I'm not a cranky try hard 21 year old anymore though, so while I still dislike the game personally, I'm not going to argue with anyone who does. Why try to deprive them of the joy something brings just because I'm not a fan? Also shadow of the Tomb Raider was pretty good so I feel like I me they righted that ship.

 

Tomb Raider is one of the rare exceptions where the remakes are objectively better and outshine the original series. Yes it started out as an Uncharted clone, but both TR and Uncharted are in essence Indiana Jones clones anyway, so what? I agree it got better with the second game Rise of the Tomb Raider. I got the 3rd game for free on Epic a while back, but by that point I stopped really caring for the TR series so I never really played much of it.