Game that everyone hates but you like?

[Rudolph]

45 minutes ago, Black Star said:

Really makes me wish to have a Borderlands this kind of gameplay that has every Vault Hunter in it.

My thoughts exactly. The only thing I miss from the previous games, more specifically The Pre-Sequel, is the Butt Slam and the Air Boost.

 

I even found the plot to be an improvement over Borderlands 2: I never cared much for Handsome Jack as a villain, although I liked him as an anti-hero in The Pre-Sequel, so I welcomed the Calypso Twins, whose constant antagonization of the protagonist made more sense and characterization reminded me of the Androids from Dragon Ball Z. Also, it is probably the only entry in the series where I actually liked Tiny Tina and the OG Vault Hunters; they were enjoyable as a dysfunctional B-team and their presence did not feel as forced as in Borderlands 2.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Rudolph

[coderamen]

Quake 1. It's like doom but its gameplay is better because 3D, it's easier to mod its game logic and it's a fucking pain to map for.

[Eric Claus]

EYE Divine Cybermancy,

 

I don't know if it's widely hated but I loved it, it's so weird and janky but it felt like it had a soul and it was just a wild experience with so many ideas and inspirations crammed together it shouldn't have worked, yet I felt it did.

[Drywtler]

2 hours ago, Andrea Rovenski said:

Mega Man X6 is the best mega man game. 

Not a bad game IMO, but it is an evil game.

[whybmonotacrab]

I really like Elex and Risen. Yeah they're jank, but their worlds are really well designed and they're some of the most immersive RPGs money can buy. 

[PsychEyeball]

Zelda II: The Adventure of Link.

 

It's a platformer! The game is near impossible! What were they thinking, etc.

 

To that I say, this game did more for the Legend of Zelda franchise than one would think. It had a surprisingly deep scope for the time with its setting and RPG elements, the NPCs with dialogue you could interact with, the hints, the mention of many names that would become staples of the series (Ruto, Saria, Darunia among others), the introduction of a magic meter and spells you could cast, the concept of visualizing (and avoiding) random encounters and a lot of other things. Combat was on the rough side but was satisfying as all hell when you got the hang of it, there's nothing more fun than just about dominating all combat in the game (except for the eagle knights, which will forever be complete BS to fight).

 

Oh, and Zelda 2 has the DOWNSTAB. Coolest attack ever featured in a platformer. Many games took this mechanic, going from Duck Tales to Shovel Knight. 

 

And to people who say Zelda 2 is too cryptic, remember that the first game was about as bad, if not worse. 

[Rudolph]

31 minutes ago, Drywtler said:

Not a bad game IMO, but it is an evil game.

Be sure to check out the Mega Man X6 Tweaks romhack if you have not done so already!

[Drywtler]

1 minute ago, Rudolph said:

Be sure to check out the Mega Man X6 Tweaks romhack if you have not done so already!

I do know about it, haven't played it yet. The only way I had to play X6 until recently was through Megaman X Collection on my PS2. My laptop could emulate it, but I tried to emulate other PS1 games before and the performance wasn't great. I hope POPStarter runs it without problems!

[Lippeth]

6 hours ago, Rudolph said:

What I was going to say is that, aside from maybe Back 4 Blood, none of the games you mentioned are hated as far as I am aware, @Lippeth.

 

3 hours ago, Scuba Steve said:

Starfield is most definitely not a game "everyone hates but you..." it has an absolutely massive following with millions in sales and one of the fastest growing mod communities in history.

 

Well naturally, but since "Game that everyone hates but you like" is obviously hyperbolic and unrealistic in the literal sense, I took it as "Games that get a lot of hate that you like".

[Rudolph]

28 minutes ago, Drywtler said:

I do know about it, haven't played it yet. The only way I had to play X6 until recently was through Megaman X Collection on my PS2. My laptop could emulate it, but I tried to emulate other PS1 games before and the performance wasn't great. I hope POPStarter runs it without problems!

I use Duckstation and it runs like a charm.

 

4 minutes ago, Lippeth said:

Well naturally, but since "Game that everyone hates but you like" is obviously hyperbolic and unrealistic in the literal sense, I took it as "Games that get a lot of hate that you like".

Well, I admit, I do remember Doom 3 proving to be quite controversial among Doom veterans back in the days. I used to hate it myself at first, but over time, I have learned to appreciate it for what it had to offer and what it was going for. Either way, the game was quite successful, so maybe it is a similar scenario to Fallout 3 where the negative comments were simply blown out of proportion.

 

Tomb Raider 2013, however, I thought everybody loved that one. Same with Resident Evil 3 Remake: I have seen people being disappointed by the absence of some of the original game's features, but I was under the impression that it was still fairly well-received by fans and newcomers alike.

[ETTiNGRiNDER]

52 minutes ago, PsychEyeball said:

Zelda II: The Adventure of Link.

Ahh, yes, I was so busy thinking of obscure dodgy stuff that I didn't remember this one.  I love Zelda 2.

[MemeMind]

I have a soft spot for all the Bethesda games. I know they can be a bit mediocre to downright bad at some parts. I just have such a soft spot for the worlds of TES and Fallout, and Starfield is fun from what I have played. 

 

Spoiler

Also modding rules........

 

[plums]

1 hour ago, whybmonotacrab said:

I really like Elex and Risen. Yeah they're jank, but their worlds are really well designed and they're some of the most immersive RPGs money can buy. 

 

Elex is an amazing game, except for when it gets extremely unbalanced or wonky, which is always. But still! Giving the player a jetpack almost right from the get-go was such a good move and literally lets you fly away from a lot of the game's problems.

 

Last time I played I used a mod that lets you recruit Nasty as a partner immediately, and it was hilarious. She's got a lot of dialogue that you would basically never see in an unmodded game, like when doing early quests for the Berserkers.

[P_A_Z]

21 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

I do remember Doom 3 proving to be quite controversial among Doom veterans back in the days.

 

Yes Doom 3. I remember when i was on a french gamers forum that most of people consider it not as a worthy episode of Doom but a Survival game with the structure of Half-Life, most of people were raging against the flashlight, the slow progression who made a boring game and monsters who spams in the back of the player.

A far as i'm concerned i like Doom 3 and finished thrice.

Edited October 3, 2023 by P_A_Z

[Lippeth]

34 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Tomb Raider 2013, however, I thought everybody loved that one. Same with Resident Evil 3 Remake: I have seen people being disappointed by the absence of some of the original game's features, but I was under the impression that it was still fairly well-received by fans and newcomers alike.

 

I remember Tomb Raider largely being passed off as an Uncharted clone, with Lara Croft not being the unflappable explorer she's usually known for.

 

With Resident Evil 3, the big complaints are its short play time, vital content from Nemesis being cut, and the overall design and portrayal of Jill Valentine. This could just be a case of a loud minority, but it's all I ever really heard and read when it came out.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Lippeth

[Skemech]

idk why people hated (when it came out) and still hate, fnaf world... like bro? It's pretty goated

[Lucius Wooding]

Quest 64, a very unpolished game that had problems but holds some nostalgia for me. IMO it got rushed out before it was really finished, but it had some charm and a pretty ambitious combat system. It could've had some quality of life and balance improvements, party members, and more stuff to do besides just go from area to area. With Ocarina of Time coming out around the same time it gets an unfavorable comparison a lot of times and now shows its age. Still a top 5 rpg on the N64 /s.

 

Also, Skyward Sword isn't on my mount rushmore of Zeldas but it's highly underrated and I get very sick of people whining about it. Yes, you have to use the motion controls and commit to them. No, they're not perfect and you end up fighting them at times. That doesn't change the fact that it has some of the best dungeons of any 3D Zelda, and I'd argue it's the most cinematic out of all of them including MM, and it has loads of personality. Plus almost everything people ended up loving once it showed up in BoTW was introduced in SS. When screen sharing in a discord chat, another person unfamiliar with the game asked if I were playing a beta of BoTW. And it had the fucking beetle, one of the best items of any 3D Zelda. And lots of fanservice. And Groose.

 

To me the main flaws were the lack of overall scale (arguably WW had the same problem; huge map with only a few interesting areas, this didn't get fixed until BoTW but arguably that kind of world was always their goal), and most of all the repetition from revisiting areas a bit too much. That combined with a very linear story with little freedom was the biggest issue. If you were committed to following the story it was pretty rewarding but a good chunk of the game was a bit fillerish compared to the very well crafted dungeons. You couldn't really do side quests efficiently or early either so you were left doing a number of tedious and unrewarding sections that could've been streamlined IMO.

 

But all those problems were addressed by BoTW very effectively, making almost all the content optional and giving you all the items at the start so there weren't metroidvania style barriers to every interesting thing you come across, and it had a lot more interesting things to do in any given area just wandering around. It shed the cinematic story presentation as well in favor of fairly sparse cutscenes that were formulaic progress markers instead of a single linear plot. And obviously the interconnected glider and towers of the map along with fast travel was a lot better than the sparse great sea analogue of the sky map over a few disconnected areas you had to explore on foot. But still, as a fan of 3D Zeldas in general in spite of their limitations and flaws, I find SS to have a lot going for it and its highlights still stand out to me.

[Rudolph]

18 minutes ago, Lippeth said:

I remember Tomb Raider largely being passed off as an Uncharted clone, with Lara Croft not being the unflappable explorer she's usually known for.

That is odd, I had the exact opposite experience! :P

 

There was even a bit of a scandal when some marginalized voices pointed out that some male journalists were enjoying themselves watching Lara Croft get tortured over and over a bit too much!

 

20 minutes ago, P_A_Z said:

a Survival game with the structure of Half-Life

I disagree with the first part, since the game plays mostly like Half-Life 1, which nobody considers to be a survival game, but when I did point out the Half-Life similarities, I remember being told that actually, Valve probably got the idea from the Doom Bible and as such Id did it first.

 

Anyway, at the time, I was pretty much Team Valve, so I did not think much of Doom 3, but in hindsight, at least, Doom 3's flashlight did not run out of energy every 30 seconds or faster in Half-Life 2's case if I tried running with it on.

 

What is it with early 2000s first-person shooters and unreliable flashlights? :P

Edited October 3, 2023 by Rudolph

[plums]

Two games that come to mind:

 

Dungeon Lords has some horrible design and is full of bugs, and that's after several complete revisions. When it was released it was way ahead of its time, in terms of "selling a completely unplayably broken game." However it has a lot of character build options, and does multiplayer in a way that not very many RPGs that aren't MMOs have, before or after. The best version is the Collector's Edition which can't be bought digitally unfortunately.

 

Time Killers is an old fighting game that took Mortal Kombat's success as an incentive that all you need to make a successful game is gore. It does away with a lot of the typical fighting game conventions/restrictions of the time, and it almost works! But the gameplay needed serious polish, and the character sprites look like scanned in coloured pencil drawings. The spiritual sequel Bloodstorm was relatively more successful, but less interesting to me.

 

@ETTiNGRiNDER @PsychEyeball talk of Zelda II reminds me that I think Castlevania II is the best of the NES Castlevanias. Also Haunted Castle (Castlevania arcade game, more or less) isn't that bad as long as you don't play the American version where you die in two hits.

Edited October 3, 2023 by plums

[plums]

accidental double-post, ignore

Edited October 3, 2023 by plums

[Lippeth]

23 minutes ago, plums said:

@ETTiNGRiNDER @PsychEyeball talk of Zelda II reminds me that I think Castlevania II is the best of the NES Castlevanias.

AVGN did those games dirty, as entertaining as his perspective was; I always thought Zelda 2 and Castlevania 2 were generally well liked until those videos became so popular, and I know his vids are more about entertainment than anything, but they almost seem to have reshaped the general consensus about the quality of those games, at least online.

[P_A_Z]

55 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Doom 3's flashlight did not run out of energy every 30 seconds or faster in Half-Life 2's case if I tried running with it on.

 

People will disagree with the fact that in Doom 3, who is dark, that you can't shoot when you're using the flashlight, they criticize it because they said that it made the game slack and boring.

[ETTiNGRiNDER]

8 minutes ago, Lippeth said:

AVGN did those games dirty, as entertaining as his perspective was; I always thought Zelda 2 and Castlevania 2 were generally well liked until those videos became so popular, and I know his vids are more about entertainment than anything, but they almost seem to have reshaped the general consensus about the quality of those games, at least online.

I think AVGN (and similar, but AVGN was obviously the big popular one) did that to a lot of stuff, honestly, playing up the complaints for comedic effect or outright digging for things to poke at.  I remember years and years ago when Kid Kool was the newest episode, someone mentioning it to me in a "oh, have you seen the newest AVGN, it's of Kid Kool, a game that deserves to be on that show" sort of way, and it was kind of telling for the implication of "not every game on AVGN really deserves it".

[Dimon12321]

Fallout 76.
All my friends hate this garbage, but what's so special and lovely about the game is
UPD: you know, while writing this post I realised I hate this game too

Edited October 4, 2023 by Dimon12321

[plums]

6 minutes ago, ETTiNGRiNDER said:

18 minutes ago, Lippeth said:

AVGN did those games dirty, as entertaining as his perspective was; I always thought Zelda 2 and Castlevania 2 were generally well liked until those videos became so popular, and I know his vids are more about entertainment than anything, but they almost seem to have reshaped the general consensus about the quality of those games, at least online.

I think AVGN (and similar, but AVGN was obviously the big popular one) did that to a lot of stuff, honestly, playing up the complaints for comedic effect or outright digging for things to poke at.  I remember years and years ago when Kid Kool was the newest episode, someone mentioning it to me in a "oh, have you seen the newest AVGN, it's of Kid Kool, a game that deserves to be on that show" sort of way, and it was kind of telling for the implication of "not every game on AVGN really deserves it".

 

I never really got AVGN tbh, I watched one episode to see what all the fuss was about and then another to make sure I didn't just see a dud, and decided it was very much not for me. I suspect you're right that a lot of episodes were just digging for content (because if raging at bad stuff is what your show is about, you need a constant source of targets).

[Rudolph]

50 minutes ago, Lippeth said:

AVGN did those games dirty, as entertaining as his perspective was; I always thought Zelda 2 and Castlevania 2 were generally well liked until those videos became so popular, and I know his vids are more about entertainment than anything, but they almost seem to have reshaped the general consensus about the quality of those games, at least online.

I am pretty sure that James Rolfe stated multiple times that he does not hate Castlevania II; in fact, years later, he had the Nerd play a Castlevania II hack that addressed many of the original's shortcomings, to his amazement. As for Zelda II, I seem to remember the video opening with the Nerd himself being confused that people would ask him to review it, as he did not consider the game to be bad at all.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Rudolph

[Lila Feuer]

5 hours ago, Rudolph said:

F3AR

 

I would say the same except for FEAR 2, which seems mostly hated. Yes it's a lazy retread of the first game's story, yes they dumbed down lighting and visceral fx, and mechanics, and difficulty hard is hard for all the wrong reasons while normal is a cakewalk, but I still have a lot of fun with it and the DLC kicks ass.

 

The third game still has enjoyable gunplay, as well as some good set pieces, but I hate the story and the fact Monolith didn't make it, it also somehow looks worse than the prior game despite being two years apart.

 

Oh yeah and Perseus Mandate is still fun if ugly because of the bizarre omission of lighting, with its own memorable moments.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Lila Feuer

[Graf Zahl]

Redneck Rampage (I like the Route 66 mission pack even more, Redneck Rampage Rides Again not so much.)

Klingon Honor Guard (someone please make a remaster, this is something I'd buy without hesitation if it finally can be enjoyed in non-broken form)

[Monocled]

4 hours ago, Black Star said:

Borderlands 3. It got shit on because it's wasn't Borderlands 2 2, but the actual gunplay is so much better than its predecessor, not to mention the movement. Jumping is still janky as ever but running and sliding around during firefights feel really fluid and satisfying. Really makes me wish to have a Borderlands this kind of gameplay that has every Vault Hunter in it. A more mobile Brick, Sal or Kreig? Inject that into meeeee

Yeah, My favorite is still the Pre-Sequel but i did enjoy Borderlands 3 a lot especially with the Vehicle Customization. Also everyone gets they're own loot so we didn't have to fight over legendaries

1 hour ago, Skemech said:

idk why people hated (when it came out) and still hate, fnaf world... like bro? It's pretty goated

I am not speaking out of experience cause i have never played it but isn't the entire game just a bunch of cheap jumpscares that use loud noises and fast movement?

[bofu]

Duke Nukem Forever.

 

(Okay, that's an exaggeration. I don't love it, I just thought it was 6/10 and I had more moments enjoying myself in it than I did playing the bog standard modern military shooters at the time.)

 

More serious answer: I'm a Musou fan. I enjoy Warriors games even though I know that most of them are essentially fancy reskins.

Edited October 3, 2023 by bofu