Modern NON-RETRO AAA FPS Franchises/Games vs Modern Capeshit Movies/Comics - Which has gone more downhill lately?

[LexiMax]

Actually, that's an even better point.  Why focus on the bad parts of movies and video games?  Why not find something to enjoy instead?

[Kinsie]

(standing up bravely apart from the huddled, cowering masses as the redditors close in with batons and tasers) videogames are fun and i enjoy playing them

[DNSKILL5]

1 hour ago, LexiMax said:

Actually, that's an even better point.  Why focus on the bad parts of movies and video games?  Why not find something to enjoy instead?

So should we just ignore that huge blockbusters and AAA titles that in the past would’ve made big numbers are bombing in sales whether they’re good or not?

 

When even the stuff I like is falling short in sales, that usually means I don’t get to see more of it until years later, or even never. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by DNSKILL5

[nolongeramnion]

watch old moobies and play older games

it's that shrimple

Edited October 11, 2023 by amnion

[SealSpace]

3 hours ago, D4NUK1 said:

The problem of the poll being here it's mostly all will vote for the capeshit because many of us would not play as much cod or modern movement like having a seizure mw3 as much as seing the effect of the heroes movies.

Good point.

 

But I think the most interesting part of my question by far here so far is which fanboys of each genres is more off-putting to you, more louder and vocal, and just more toxic and hostile to you if you're a fan of something outside their preferred genre.

[SealSpace]

3 hours ago, LadyMistDragon said:

The thing with 'capeshit' movies is that they still have broad enough appeal that the modern FPS fanbase is inevitably more obnoxious because of the toxicity being more concentrated probably because competitiveness plays a far greater role.

 

As to what has gone downhill quicker, I feel like the decline of modern FPSs has largely plateaued, to the extent that while there aren't many engaging ones, they're at least consistent. Meanwhile, superhero movies have been on a gradual overall decline that's undeniable, several notable exceptions aside.

 

I'm definitely more fatigued with superhero movies. See, that was never something I was heavily into as a child, so it was kind of strange to see them dominating the box office almost entirely. At a certain point, it becomes very clear that little more than milking is happening and that makes movies like Everything, Everywhere All at Once or even the new Dune seem like breaths of fresh air in comparison.  

 

To be honest, EEAaO seemed like something that was ideally new and interesting on paper, but it turned out to be even worse than whatever crap the current phase of the MCU is giving us now and it makes the upcoming The Marvels movie look like gold.

[SealSpace]

2 hours ago, LexiMax said:

 

This feels like reheated rhetoric from a decade ago.

 

There actually aren't THAT many AAA clones of Halo or CoD out there being made these days.  Halo hasn't really been Halo since Bungie left in 2010, and I don't know of any AAA modern military FPS that is aiming to compete with CoD in 2023.  These days, live service games are the rage, and AAA single-player experiences tend to be open world games like Spiderman.

So the modern fps side here is mainly just Call of Duty or your stereotypically dark gritty realistic FPS military games trying to copy it or some generic sci-fi game?

[SealSpace]

2 hours ago, Edward850 said:

The poll and questioner is entirely leading questions. If I was to point to anything I'd say the constant meta analysis of pop-culture (i.e the thread subject itself) to be more annoying then the actual pop-culture.

Well hating on meta commentary... that's something a bit new to me. 

 

So I take it you're not a fan of dudes like CinemaSins or something?

 

The whole point of this thread is to give your opinions on which genre has lost interest for you and which fanbase annoys you more. Simple as that.

Edited October 11, 2023 by SealSpace

[Edward850]

10 minutes ago, SealSpace said:

So I take it you're not a fan of dudes like CinemaSins or something?

CinemaSins is genuinely disliked by most, so not a great pick there. :P

[ReaperAA]

11 hours ago, SealSpace said:

6) Whose fanboys are more annoying and more obnoxious to you in general?

7) Whose fanboys do you think act more snobbish, arrogant, condescending, toxic, and elitist towards other genres outside of theirs and fans? 

 

8) Whose fanboys are more intolerant of criticism or disagreement towards their favorite respective genres and their favorite franchises and blindly defends theirs to the death more?

 

The new-retro fps community apparently. :p

 

On a serious note, I agree with LexiMax that there really aren't as many Halo/CoD clones being made nowadays. We are definitely past that era now and instead we are into the live-service era for a long time now. Ironically, there is far more saturation of new-retro fps games nowadays that I find it hilarious when people complain about Half-Life/Halo/CoD for saturating the market with "modern" shooters and/or their mechanics.

[SealSpace]

7 minutes ago, ReaperAA said:

 

The new-retro fps community apparently. :p

 

On a serious note, I agree with LexiMax that there really aren't as many Halo/CoD clones being made nowadays. We are definitely past that era now and instead we are into the live-service era for a long time now. Ironically, there is far more saturation of new-retro fps games nowadays that I find it hilarious when people complain about Half-Life/Halo/CoD for saturating the market with "modern" shooters and/or their mechanics.

So is the modern MODERN FPS in the style of Halo, CoD, and Battlefield of the 2000's and 2010's dead already?

[ReaperAA]

28 minutes ago, SealSpace said:

So is the modern MODERN FPS in the style of Halo, CoD, and Battlefield of the 2000's and 2010's dead already?

 

Not dead, but definitely not the hot thing anymore. There are more new-retro fps games being made nowadays than the typical CoD/Battlefield/Halo style games.

[Professor Hastig]

6 hours ago, Graf Zahl said:

Both games and movies have a big money problem, they cost too much to take risks.

 

This is the real essence of the whole debate. We could endlessly discuss the creative merits of both games and movies but what drives it all is that making a game that meets the expectations of "modern" audiences is very expensive and only worth if the money can be regained. That's why so many abusive strategies are employed. I'm not sure we have reached the saturation point with games yet as there's still far too many people engaging in such games.

 

With movies we will have to see. This year was a good indicator, though, that throwing $200m+ budgets at a single movie may have become too risky. The vast majority of these - as decided by corporate goons - 'surefire' hits crashed and burned, while the year's top 3 were probably on nobody's list for the 5 most successful movies of the year - I surely did not expect Mario, Barbie and Oppenheimer to end there - especially Oppenheimer. And while two of these are based on well known IPs, they did not make the mistake to overspend and sour their profits in the end.

But the biggest irony in the movie business is how the streaming business has turned against the studios. When they saw how much money Netflix was doing they all wanted a slice of the pie themselves and copycatted their service, but what they forgot is that audiences cannot afford to pay for multiple services a month - so they thinned out the profits, they now all have to shoulder the operating costs of their own services while no longer getting streaming royalties for letting their movies run on a third party platform. So they effectively shut out a major part of their revenue stream with no compensation, which makes the performance of these movies all the more critical and troubling.

 

We can only hope that the comic book movie craze really dies down as a result of all of that so that a little bit more creativity can rule again. In that regard this year also was a good sign, with only one comic book movie being a qualified success and all others failing more or less painfully so far.

To summarise, I think it's not the "capeshit" genre by itself that has gone more downhill, but mainstream moviemaking as a whole, and we're ahead of some major consolidation in that business. With 'AAA' games I don't see that happen any time soon, games may cost just as much as movies to produce, but we see how the genre shifted more to 'pay as a service' products that ensure a constant revenue stream and therefore lower risks. Of course that sucks if you are not into this type of game.

 

The good thing on both fronts is that unlike 20 years ago the technical advancements have been less dramatic recently so even an 'oldie' may be satisfying. Compare that to the early 2000's where a 5 year old game felt antiquated and a 10 year old one seemed to come from a different dimension - with movies it was similar if you tripled the time span.

Today, a 20 year old entry in both categories feels a lot more acceptable on technological grounds.

 

For me all that means that my main provider of game entertainment outside of free Doom mods is GOG's special offers and for movies I'm mostly on lookout for BluRays of older films on eBay.

 

[Kinsie]

extremely upset about these Fake Girl Games with their “budgets” and “design docs” and “not taking seven years to escape Early Access”

[act]

cabitalism :DDD

[OliveTree]

what does capeshit mean

[baja blast rd.]

Someone reported this thread for being a useless negativity dump, which seems like gentle phrasing if anything. 

 

Would add that a lot of the descriptors being tossed around (fatiguing, toxic, annoying, snobbish, etc.) are better descriptions of how the poll and first post comes across.