What doom map deserved to be in top 100 most memorable maps?

[Betelgeuse]

This thread is NOT for debating,

It's just honest opinions.

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[Maximum Matt]

Map 20 of Memento Mori (Mountain Depot).  A chef's kiss of a level.  

Put it at number 4, please

[Gez]

If we add a map in, should we also remove a map out, so it stays a top 100?

[TheCarsEdge]

MyHouse.WAD lol

[ReaperAA]

I seriously cannot believe that The Final Countdown from Lunatic (or The Rocket Zone II from Valiant) is not there. I would replace Candlecove (from Valiant) with one of those, since I don't really think Candlecove is anywhere near as memorable as those 2.

Edited October 23, 2023 by ReaperAA

[Maximum Matt]

21 minutes ago, Gez said:

If we add a map in, should we also remove a map out, so it stays a top 100?

Naaah

[Betelgeuse]

22 minutes ago, Gez said:

If we add a map in, should we also remove a map out, so it stays a top 100?

Actually not a bad idea, if u want.

[DrRock]

Just now, Gez said:

If we add a map in, should we also remove a map out, so it stays a top 100?

Personally, I like to think of naming some of these as if to pretend-make suggestions for another such top list sometime down the line. Sort of like the Top 25 Missed Cacowards.

 

I'd say that Map 08 of Alien Vendetta would be very much deserving of a spot in such a list. It holds up tremendously for being an early-ish big adventure map and is a complete joy to play and explore. Could be named in the same breath as Map 20, IMO.

[baja blast rd.]

Almost none. 100 is a really small number. Since the feature is over 25 years from 1993 to 2018 (myhouse???), that averages out to a bit over 4 selections a year. That would skew slightly higher in years more recent, as releases started getting more numerous, but still not much higher than 4. Either way that's not a lot. So I can't really think of any that unambiguously deserve to be among such a limited group. Even most of what made the list is by definition debatable.

 

If something is in more like a year's 6-12 range, it would still be super memorable, but that range wouldn't make this list. The only way I'd feel very strongly about many is that if I'd played so few wads that whatever stood out to me as excellent was "obviously" deserving just because I'd played it and not all the other wads. When you're familiar with way more work, you realize how much good stuff there is and how unobvious most choices would be, so you realize stronger opinions about that make less sense. 

 

If I had a say with choices (rather than just writing up some of the decided entries that I happened to like, since I came on very late), I'd probably have pushed to swap The Final Countdown for Candlecove, just because the former is way more defining and memorable in skillsaw's own catalog. That's probably about it.

 

Also if 2021+ me was in 2018, I might have argued for even fewer wads having more than one choice on the list (no offense to whoever got multiple choices from a wad). I'm always surprised when someone points out that a wad 'only' has 1 pick on the list as if that's low, because 2+ from one wad is a really high amount of representation considering how the whole feature averages out to 4 selections per year. 1 makes sense as a rule to break only under exceptional circumstances. This would rule out any additions from wads that are already represented unless I felt a swap was called for. 

[Betelgeuse]

37 minutes ago, ReaperAA said:

I seriously cannot believe that The Final Countdown from Lunatic (or The Rocket Zone II from Valiant) is not there. I would replace Candlecove (from Valiant) with one of those, since I don't really think Candlecove is anywhere near as memorable as those 2.

Yeah rocket zone if far superior , both are amazing maps tho.

[Roofi]

I agree with rd that 100 is a small number compared with all that has been created.

 

Now, as time goes by, I find that "The Mucus Flow" would have deserved the first place. Misri Halek has made a lasting impression on the community, but I feel that the BPRD map has had far more tributes and has been therefore much more influential on the doom community.

[DRON12261]

BTSX Episode 3 Demo - MAP04 "A Visit to the Creep Doctor" by Xaser

For me there are very few memorable maps in BTSX itself, they're too repetitive and stretched all over the megawads. But specifically this map right here was a shocker for me when I decided to try the demo of the new episode. And I think it must go into some sort of top of the best/most memorable/unusual maps afterwards. I will remember it for a long time, just like I once did Misri Halek from Alien Vendetta. And I hope that the third episode itself will be more varied and less drawn out than past episodes.

Edited October 23, 2023 by DRON12261

[Celestin]

Something from Eviternity. Most would likely choose Anagnorisis or Dehydration, but I'll pick either Gossamer or Elysium. 

 

Another easy pick would be Glass Messiah from Auger;Zenith. Truly, a love at the first sight.

[baja blast rd.]

Fwiw, I'm reading the title's use of "deserved" in the past tense as referring to options that were eligible at the time. Meaning that in early-mid 2018, they existed. A wad that came out in 2023 isn't making a 2018 list. For post-2018, this thread from a couple years back had lots of good posts. Feel free to bump that as long as you have a high-effort post to add.

[cannonball]

I wonder whether 2018-2023 will be covered by a similar article, given we will be reaching Doom’s 30th birthday. Maybe these could be additions to the original 100 picks from the 25 years celebration.

Edited October 23, 2023 by cannonball

[OniriA]

Habitat

[Lila Feuer]

Nuts. @Revenant100 will back me up here.

[Not Jabba]

4 hours ago, ReaperAA said:

I seriously cannot believe that The Final Countdown from Lunatic (or The Rocket Zone II from Valiant) is not there. I would replace Candlecove (from Valiant) with one of those, since I don't really think Candlecove is anywhere near as memorable as those 2.

 

4 hours ago, baja blast rd. said:

If I had a say with choices (rather than just writing up some of the decided entries that I happened to like, since I came on very late), I'd probably have pushed to swap The Final Countdown for Candlecove, just because the former is way more defining and memorable in skillsaw's own catalog. That's probably about it.

 

For what it's worth, I agree with this. It's the one thing I would change in hindsight.

[Tristan]

2 hours ago, Not Jabba said:

 

 

For what it's worth, I agree with this. It's the one thing I would change in hindsight.

Out of curiosity, what about Sunlust maps 29 and 30 (#11 and #27)? Both definitely deserving of a place on the list, but having 29 above God Machine always seemed interesting to me!

[Not Jabba]

1 hour ago, Tristan said:

Out of curiosity, what about Sunlust maps 29 and 30 (#11 and #27)? Both definitely deserving of a place on the list, but having 29 above God Machine always seemed interesting to me!

Nowadays, everybody makes stuff like that carousel fight. At the time, it felt super unique, and it was a huge talking point when the megawad came out. It's kind of the Misri Halek of individual setpiece battles.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Not Jabba

[Betelgeuse]

6 hours ago, baja blast rd. said:

Fwiw, I'm reading the title's use of "deserved" in the past tense as referring to options that were eligible at the time. Meaning that in early-mid 2018, they existed. A wad that came out in 2023 isn't making a 2018 list. For post-2018, this thread from a couple years back had lots of good posts. Feel free to bump that as long as you have a high-effort post to add.

Oh right, so is this thread redundant now?

[baja blast rd.]

No they're different purposes :P

[NuMetalManiak]

If there was a 101st one I would say that could honorably honorably go to Killer Colours (AV MAP31). It's already in the sidebar for Runners Up and had a great concept of everything being blue, then green, then red, with appropriate monsters and interesing ventures throughout. This particular level has most certainly inspired several future levels and/or areas in levels after it due to the nature of color usage.

[Shepardus]

5till L1 Complex deserves a spot in my opinion, but with Comatose and Doxylamine Moon already being on the list I can understand there not being enough room for a third Lainos map. At least it made it to the runners up list.

 

I personally would have also picked Nostril Caverns or World Orifice for the grindy niche they fill, or if not those then something from their respective authors TimeOfDeath and Benjogami.

[Classic SSG Enjoyer]

Alien Vendatta Map 10 : Toxic Touch.

 

Alien Vendatta Map 20 : Misri Halek.

 

 

[Betelgeuse]

17 minutes ago, Classic SSG Enjoyer said:

Alien Vendatta Map 10 : Toxic Touch.

 

Alien Vendatta Map 20 : Misri Halek.

 

 

Aren't those already on the list?

[Classic SSG Enjoyer]

25 minutes ago, Betelgeuse said:

Aren't those already on the list?

they are ???

 

If yes, then oops, sorry.

 

 

[Betelgeuse]

1 hour ago, Classic SSG Enjoyer said:

they are ???

 

If yes, then oops, sorry.

 

 

No worries.

I think toxic touch is ranked 56 and Misri halek is obviously ranked number 1.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Betelgeuse

[Not Jabba]

3 hours ago, Shepardus said:

5till L1 Complex deserves a spot in my opinion, but with Comatose and Doxylamine Moon already being on the list I can understand there not being enough room for a third Lainos map.

 

Yeah, that's exactly why. 5till is my favorite of the three (and one of my 10 or 12 favorite maps of all time), but Doxylamine Moon was first and made more waves, and Comatose is more unique.

[netcurse2000]

1 hour ago, Classic SSG Enjoyer said:

they are ???

 

If yes, then oops, sorry.

 

 

 

Misri Halek is in first place. And this is absolutely correct.

 

Maps I would add

 

Lullaby

Harvester's Reminiscence (Antaresian Reliquary map03)

Warhevil (Jamal Jones trilogy E1M20)